Robert Anderson

On 4/5/07, Quenton Conant wrote:
>
> I generally delete the digested email. It takes just as much time as
> comming to the website and reading the threads that interest me. Sometimes
> it's even longer to read the all damn emails.
>
> I tend to not pay attention to the list unless there's a topic that
> interests me, or I'm looking for some specific information. Sounds like if
> you elect to go web only, digest, or every email there will be downsides.
> I'd rather get a digest or look online than have to spend an hour deleting
> individual emails from my inbox.
>
> anywhoo.... what's the next topic to rant about. I'm home sick and want
> something to read.
>
>
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I highly recommend using gmail for any email list your are subscribed to. I
am a member of several very high volume email lists and gmail is the best.
It threads related messages so you can easily follow a conversation you care
about and ignore the rest. You can filter and label emails based on many
criteria. For example, all the emails from the OBRA list get an OBRA label
and bypass my inbox entirely. I can browse all the OBRA mail or search for
something I care about. I also "star" emails that I intend to follow up on
or refer to later.

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Quenton Conant

I generally delete the digested email. It takes just as much time as comming to the website and reading the threads that interest me. Sometimes it's even longer to read the all damn emails.

I tend to not pay attention to the list unless there's a topic that interests me, or I'm looking for some specific information. Sounds like if you elect to go web only, digest, or every email there will be downsides. I'd rather get a digest or look online than have to spend an hour deleting individual emails from my inbox.

anywhoo.... what's the next topic to rant about. I'm home sick and want something to read.

Greg Crane

Congratulations you have just triggered an auto smart
ass reply.

To get rid of the most pointless e-mails, just delete
anything sent by me.

Greg

Even I am not safe from the auto smart ass reply.

--- Ron and Dorothy Strasser
wrote:

> I agree... I just delete items that do not interest
> me... but there is a wide range of good information
> on this site.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Erik Voldengen
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS
>
>
> An email list is much more passive than a forum;
> you don't have to do anything to have the action
> come to you. Going from an email list to a forum is
> often a hard sell.
>
>
>
> You can use rules in your email client to filter
> messages to appropriate folders. Gmail is also good
> for big lists because you can view discussions by
> thread.
>
>
>
> Also, I believe you can just read messages online
> at www.obra.org in a forum-ish interface.
>
>
>
> -Erik
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of
> Phil de la Motte
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:46 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS
>
>
>
> PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the
> dozens of sarcastic comments to find the rare nugget
> of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number
> on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's
> selling a cheap stem. I suspect I'm not the only
> one. If your email is addressed to only one person
> or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE
> and stop stuffing our mailboxes with this back and
> forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list is
> becoming unusable.
>
> Rather than just complain though, I propose that
> OBRA begin using a more appropriate technology such
> as an online forum. They're perfect for such
> discussions, they categorize everything, you can
> post info, subscribe to particular topics etc. You
> only see what you want to see. With several
> thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is
> ripe to think about setting one up rather than using
> just the email list. If you don't know what an
> online forum is, here's an example:
> http://www.sportbikes.ws/
>
> I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in
> OBRA-land would rather use a forum tool.
> http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html
>
> I you want to harrass me about this feel free to
> email me directly :-)
>
> Thank you,
> Phil
> Team Oregon.
>
>
>
>
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>
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I agree... I just delete items that do not interest me... but there is a wide range of good information on this site.
----- Original Message -----
From: Erik Voldengen
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS

An email list is much more passive than a forum; you don't have to do anything to have the action come to you. Going from an email list to a forum is often a hard sell.

You can use rules in your email client to filter messages to appropriate folders. Gmail is also good for big lists because you can view discussions by thread.

Also, I believe you can just read messages online at www.obra.org in a forum-ish interface.

-Erik

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:46 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS

PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic comments to find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's selling a cheap stem. I suspect I'm not the only one. If your email is addressed to only one person or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our mailboxes with this back and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list is becoming unusable.

Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a more appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're perfect for such discussions, they categorize everything, you can post info, subscribe to particular topics etc. You only see what you want to see. With several thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is ripe to think about setting one up rather than using just the email list. If you don't know what an online forum is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/

I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would rather use a forum tool. http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html

I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly :-)

Thank you,
Phil
Team Oregon.

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Kiwi Dave

Try this link for a good spam blocker that you can train! It also free.
I use this with Outlook and it keeps all my business / personal email free
from the Obra list, then once in a while (more than I should) I look at the
Obra emails for a good distraction. It's all good in my opinion and I can
decide on what I read.

C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\welcome.html

Cheers,
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Matthew Wolpert
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:17 AM
To: gschreckchat@comcast.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS

or.... you could just set up a filter to automatically trash messages from
certain people...

that's what i do for messages from myself, who wants to read that garbage
anyway?

-mw

On 4/5/07, Matthew Wolpert wrote:
> ... if one uses Gmail, there is a "mute conversation" command, which
> will automatically remove all future emails on a particular thread.
> (if you have keyboard shortcuts enabled, this is achieved by selecting
> the (un)desired conversation and pressing the "m" key)
>
> ;)
>
>
> personally, i really liked chris alling's last email
>
> On 4/5/07, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > I always veiwed this as more or less a forum. There is Obra race
> > for those who only want to know about races. Interestingly, you
> > state that you only want to know about races and people selling
> > equipment. Well, some people object to selling quipment as well.
> > It seems fairly easy to delete the e-mails you do not want to read
> > by scannng the subject headings, and that seems less onerous than
> > preventing others from expressing their views on cycling topics.
> > Some of us have learned some things from these discussions, some of
> > us have been entertained, and some of us have been irritated. If
> > you do not like it, you do not have to read it. That is a better
> > option than censoring everyone. Why is it so diffficult to hit the
> > delete button anyway.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Phil de la Motte"
> > PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic
> > comments to find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side
> > to pin my number on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's
> > selling a cheap stem. I suspect I'm not the only one. If your
> > email is addressed to only one person or a few people, please just
> > send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our mailboxes with this back
> > and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list is becoming
> > unusable.
> >
> > Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a
> > more appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're
> > perfect for such discussions, they categorize everything, you can
> > post info, subscribe to particular topics etc. You only see what
> > you want to see. Wi th sev eral thousand OBRA members, it seems
> > like the time is ripe to think about setting one up rather than
> > using just the email list. If you don't know what an online forum
> > is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/
> >
> > I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would
> > rather use a forum tool.
> > http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html
> >
> > I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly
> > :-)
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Phil
> > Team Oregon.
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "Phil de la Motte"
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:45:56 +0000
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
>
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Matthew Wolpert

or.... you could just set up a filter to automatically trash messages
from certain people...

that's what i do for messages from myself, who wants to read that
garbage anyway?

-mw

On 4/5/07, Matthew Wolpert wrote:
> ... if one uses Gmail, there is a "mute conversation" command, which
> will automatically remove all future emails on a particular thread.
> (if you have keyboard shortcuts enabled, this is achieved by selecting
> the (un)desired conversation and pressing the "m" key)
>
> ;)
>
>
> personally, i really liked chris alling's last email
>
> On 4/5/07, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > I always veiwed this as more or less a forum. There is Obra race for those
> > who only want to know about races. Interestingly, you state that you only
> > want to know about races and people selling equipment. Well, some people
> > object to selling quipment as well. It seems fairly easy to delete the
> > e-mails you do not want to read by scannng the subject headings, and that
> > seems less onerous than preventing others from expressing their views on
> > cycling topics. Some of us have learned some things from these discussions,
> > some of us have been entertained, and some of us have been irritated. If
> > you do not like it, you do not have to read it. That is a better option
> > than censoring everyone. Why is it so diffficult to hit the delete button
> > anyway.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Phil de la Motte"
> > PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic comments to
> > find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number
> > on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's selling a cheap stem. I
> > suspect I'm not the only one. If your email is addressed to only one person
> > or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our
> > mailboxes with this back and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list
> > is becoming unusable.
> >
> > Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a more
> > appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're perfect for such
> > discussions, they categorize everything, you can post info, subscribe to
> > particular topics etc. You only see what you want to see. Wi th sev eral
> > thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is ripe to think about setting
> > one up rather than using just the email list. If you don't know what an
> > online forum is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/
> >
> > I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would rather
> > use a forum tool.
> > http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html
> >
> > I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly :-)
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Phil
> > Team Oregon.
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "Phil de la Motte"
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:45:56 +0000
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
>

Matthew Wolpert

... if one uses Gmail, there is a "mute conversation" command, which
will automatically remove all future emails on a particular thread.
(if you have keyboard shortcuts enabled, this is achieved by selecting
the (un)desired conversation and pressing the "m" key)

;)

personally, i really liked chris alling's last email

On 4/5/07, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>
> I always veiwed this as more or less a forum. There is Obra race for those
> who only want to know about races. Interestingly, you state that you only
> want to know about races and people selling equipment. Well, some people
> object to selling quipment as well. It seems fairly easy to delete the
> e-mails you do not want to read by scannng the subject headings, and that
> seems less onerous than preventing others from expressing their views on
> cycling topics. Some of us have learned some things from these discussions,
> some of us have been entertained, and some of us have been irritated. If
> you do not like it, you do not have to read it. That is a better option
> than censoring everyone. Why is it so diffficult to hit the delete button
> anyway.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Phil de la Motte"
> PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic comments to
> find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number
> on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's selling a cheap stem. I
> suspect I'm not the only one. If your email is addressed to only one person
> or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our
> mailboxes with this back and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list
> is becoming unusable.
>
> Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a more
> appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're perfect for such
> discussions, they categorize everything, you can post info, subscribe to
> particular topics etc. You only see what you want to see. Wi th sev eral
> thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is ripe to think about setting
> one up rather than using just the email list. If you don't know what an
> online forum is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/
>
> I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would rather
> use a forum tool.
> http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html
>
> I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly :-)
>
> Thank you,
> Phil
> Team Oregon.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Phil de la Motte"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:45:56 +0000
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>

Devin Flynn

I agree. I think that hitting the delete button is a cheap cost for the benefits this list provides, such as:

-selling at no cost (no ebay fees)
-Buying cheaper and locally
-info on the organization and rules that I would not know about unless someone else brought them up
-entertainment from the occasional cheap shot.

I don't mind all of the extra crap that comes in my box.

gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
I always veiwed this as more or less a forum. There is Obra race for those who only want to know about races. Interestingly, you state that you only want to know about races and people selling equipment. Well, some people object to selling quipment as well. It seems fairly easy to delete the e-mails you do not want to read by scannng the subject headings, and that seems less onerous than preventing others from expressing their views on cycling topics. Some of us have learned some things from these discussions, some of us have been entertained, and some of us have been irritated. If you do not like it, you do not have to read it. That is a better option than censoring everyone. Why is it so diffficult to hit the delete button anyway.

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Phil de la Motte"
PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic comments to find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's selling a cheap stem. I suspect I'm not the only one. If your email is addressed to only one person or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our mailboxes with this back and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list is becoming unusable.

Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a more appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're perfect for such discussions, they categorize everything, you can post info, subscribe to particular topics etc. You only see what you want to see. Wi th sev eral thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is ripe to think about setting one up rather than using just the email list. If you don't know what an online forum is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/

I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would rather use a forum tool. http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html

I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly :-)

Thank you,
Phil
Team Oregon.
From: "Phil de la Motte"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:45:56 +0000

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I always veiwed this as more or less a forum. There is Obra race for those who only want to know about races. Interestingly, you state that you only want to know about races and people selling equipment. Well, some people object to selling quipment as well. It seems fairly easy to delete the e-mails you do not want to read by scannng the subject headings, and that seems less onerous than preventing others from expressing their views on cycling topics. Some of us have learned some things from these discussions, some of us have been entertained, and some of us have been irritated. If you do not like it, you do not have to read it. That is a better option than censoring everyone. Why is it so diffficult to hit the delete button anyway.

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gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Phil de la Motte"
PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic comments to find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's selling a cheap stem. I suspect I'm not the only one. If your email is addressed to only one person or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our mailboxes with this back and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list is becoming unusable.

Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a more appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're perfect for such discussions, they categorize everything, you can post info, subscribe to particular topics etc. You only see what you want to see. With several thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is ripe to think about setting one up rather than using just the email list. If you don't know what an online forum is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/

I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would rather use a forum tool. http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html

I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly :-)

Thank you,
Phil
Team Oregon.

david baker

Phil,
I am going to reply to all because this might be a real good thread. I did reply to your survey and think it would be interesting to try a forum.
There are obviously a number of people like you because every time a thread gets a little long someone complians.
Personally I like the banter and it's easy for me to sort thru. When I see people post with a "reply only to me request" I am often interseted in the subject, and have seen others reply asking for "replies to all".
As people have said before there is the obra race list as well for race only stuff. I do suspect you are in the minority, it would be fun to see, hope that survey gets lots of responses.
It would be interesting to see if we could get a big thread going about big threads and get people to complain about the thread size, maybe it would snow ball and block-up the whole internet.
I really am not trying to put more pressure on the tormented just sticking up for the majority!?
david

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil de la Motte
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS

PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic comments to find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's selling a cheap stem. I suspect I'm not the only one. If your email is addressed to only one person or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our mailboxes with this back and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list is becoming unusable.

Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a more appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're perfect for such discussions, they categorize everything, you can post info, subscribe to particular topics etc. You only see what you want to see. With several thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is ripe to think about setting one up rather than using just the email list. If you don't know what an online forum is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/

I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would rather use a forum tool. http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html

I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly :-)

Thank you,
Phil
Team Oregon.

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Chris Alling

Personally I find the back and forth jib jab entertaining. For the most part
in only happens a few times a year and the topics are for the most part the
same: centerline violations, blocking, wheels, masters 123 and event prize
list distribution. I usually read the first few posts then start to delete
them. I am quite surprised that we have not talked about centerline
violations yet this year this topic typically takes place after either
cherry pie or piece of cake.

Chris Alling

>From: "Phil de la Motte"
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:45:39 -0700
>
>PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic comments
>to
>find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number
>on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's selling a cheap stem. I
>suspect I'm not the only one. If your email is addressed to only one
>person
>or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our
>mailboxes with this back and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list
>is becoming unusable.
>
>Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a more
>appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're perfect for such
>discussions, they categorize everything, you can post info, subscribe to
>particular topics etc. You only see what you want to see. With several
>thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is ripe to think about
>setting
>one up rather than using just the email list. If you don't know what an
>online forum is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/
>
>I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would rather
>use a forum tool.
>http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html
>
>I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly :-)
>
>Thank you,
>Phil
>Team Oregon.

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Erik Voldengen

An email list is much more passive than a forum; you don't have to do
anything to have the action come to you. Going from an email list to a
forum is often a hard sell.

You can use rules in your email client to filter messages to appropriate
folders. Gmail is also good for big lists because you can view discussions
by thread.

Also, I believe you can just read messages online at www.obra.org
in a forum-ish interface.

-Erik

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:46 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOP THE MADNESS

PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic comments to
find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number
on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's selling a cheap stem. I
suspect I'm not the only one. If your email is addressed to only one person
or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our
mailboxes with this back and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list
is becoming unusable.

Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a more
appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're perfect for such
discussions, they categorize everything, you can post info, subscribe to
particular topics etc. You only see what you want to see. With several
thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is ripe to think about setting
one up rather than using just the email list. If you don't know what an
online forum is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/

I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would rather
use a forum tool. http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html

I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly :-)

Thank you,
Phil
Team Oregon.

Phil de la Motte

PLEASE! I'm going crazy digging through the dozens of sarcastic comments to
find the rare nugget of OBRA information, like what side to pin my number
on, who placed in last weekend's race, or who's selling a cheap stem. I
suspect I'm not the only one. If your email is addressed to only one person
or a few people, please just send it TO THEM ALONE and stop stuffing our
mailboxes with this back and forth petty jib jab. This valuable OBRA list
is becoming unusable.

Rather than just complain though, I propose that OBRA begin using a more
appropriate technology such as an online forum. They're perfect for such
discussions, they categorize everything, you can post info, subscribe to
particular topics etc. You only see what you want to see. With several
thousand OBRA members, it seems like the time is ripe to think about setting
one up rather than using just the email list. If you don't know what an
online forum is, here's an example: http://www.sportbikes.ws/

I've set up a quick survey...let's see how many in OBRA-land would rather
use a forum tool.
http://3obra.blogspot.com/2007/04/obra-poll.html

I you want to harrass me about this feel free to email me directly :-)

Thank you,
Phil
Team Oregon.