Luciano bailey

A second thought is TRI-Met enforcement might spend a few hours enforcing
the passengers in the bike space issue. On more than a dozen
occasions(usually when I am already late) have I had to wait trains purely
to avoid confrontation with passengers refusing to allow me the rack. This
is not a rush hour issue and no I"m not all that greatful I had to wait 3
decades for four funky spaces on a train. Just imagine if the rest of the
general public goes bike how will we adjust and shouldn't we be looking for
more rather than resting on yesterdays accomplishments. I mean by now we
should have a bike lane (not roadside adjacent) that leads to the coast then
I'll be impressed. Ok I threw in a couple of extra cents so theres my
nickel.

>From: Michelle Poyourow
>To: Evan MacKenzie
>CC: obra@list.obra.org, Jonathan Maus ,Evan
>Manvel
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] bikers kicked off MAX
>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:14:24 -0700
>
>Evan,
>Interesting. I'll inquire and will report back (to you and to the
>OBRA list).
>TriMet is one of the few major metropolitan transit systems in the
>country that allows bikes on trains during rush hour. We want to
>maintain that privilege by being courteous and careful and by parking
>at stations when we can, but I do think it's important that
>bicyclists have that access, even when the hooks are full.
>Perhaps it's just a matter of internal inconsistency - maybe the
>Wackenhut security guards (I believe that's the subcontractor right
>now) just didn't get the memo.
>Again, I'll look into it and will report back. Thanks for letting me
>know.
>Michelle
>
>Michelle Poyourow
>Events and Outreach Director
>Bicycle Transportation Alliance
>(503) 226-0676 x13
>michelle@bta4bikes.org
>
>
>On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Evan MacKenzie wrote:
>
> > A friend of mine said he was on the MAX last Friday and witnessed
> > something rather interesting. The train was not particularly full,
> > but all the bike hooks were in use. There was one more person on
> > the car with a bicycle. The security guard made the bicyclist exit
> > the train. He said that even though the train was not full, it
> > might fill up at the next stop, and so the bicycle could not be on
> > the train.
> >
> >
> > This seems very strange to me, especially considering the fact that
> > bicycles are allowed on the ?high? cars that do not have hooks.
> >
> >
> > It also seems odd because of all the problems on MAX trains, this
> > one should not be high on the list. Why should a guard be able to
> > kick a bicyclist, who paid a fare, off the train, when so many
> > people ride the train without paying the fare? If bicycles really
> > are in the way because there are a lot of people on the train, it
> > would seem to me that Tri-Met should make a better effort to get
> > people who don?t pay the fare off the train. That would free up a
> > lot of space. Better yet, restrict access to the stops to ticket
> > holders, so they don?t even have to put fare enforcement officers
> > on the trains.
> >
> >
> > If the trains are filling up with people, that?s a great thing.
> > Maybe Tri-Met should consider removing some seats to free up more
> > space on the cars. Removing seats would increase capacity for
> > people, with or without bicycles.
> >
> >
> > Also, if bicycles are a space problem on trains, why are strollers
> > allowed? Some of those strollers take up a lot of space. Last I
> > checked most people do not pay a fare for children in strollers.
> >
> >
> > Same thing goes for luggage. People going to the airport often have
> > some pretty big bags. Should TriMet make people get off the train
> > if they have too much luggage?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Evan
> >
> >
> > Evan MacKenzie
> >
> > Urban Planner I
> >
> > City of Hillsboro
> >
> > 150 E. Main Street, 4th floor
> >
> > Hillsboro, OR 97123
> >
> > 503-681-6154
> >
> > evanm@ci.hillsboro.or.us
> >
> > http://www.ci.hillsboro.or.us/Planning_Department/
> >
> >
> > Try Hillsboro Maps!
> >
> > Tons of info on any (addressed) property in Hillsboro
> >
> > http://hillsboromaps.ci.hillsboro.or.us/hillsboro/index.cfm
> >
> >
> >
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> > ----------(_)/ (_)______Get on your bikes and ride!
> >
> >
> >
>
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Curt Dewees

I bought a medium-sized nylon dog collar with a quick-release buckle.
When the MAX car bike hooks are full, I lift up my bike's front wheel
to the bar (there is plenty of room up there), run the dog collar
through my front wheel and around the bar, and then snap the
quick-release buckle closed. (The only tricky part is holding the bike
up in the air with one hand while you maneuver the dog collar and
close the buckle with your other hand.)

Really, tho, Tri-Met could double it's bike-carrying capacity
virtually overnight by adding a second bike hook about 18" away from
each existing hook. There is plenty of room for eight bikes per MAX
car, and they currently only have four hooks per car.

Hello, Tri-Met? Anybody home?

Curt

On 4/17/07, Joe Cipale wrote:
> As is my choice in the fine summer months, I will take MAX to work (Vancouver-to-Hillsboro) and ride home. I have seen an instance where a train is half-full upon arrival at the Rose Qurater, but by the time it hits
> Sunset transit Center, it is stnading room only.
>
> What are we expected to do? Get off the train and wait for the next available one (and hope it is empty)? Considering my time... I am sorry to say 'I think not...'. I have mentioned to TriMet in the past about adding additional hooks to carry 4 bikes at the end of each train car. But apparently, no one likes the idea.
>
> I too have seen a number of other cyclists borrow Luciano's idea of bringing an extra tie to hook thier bike up. One fare inspector damn near had a cow until he saw that it cuased no hardship, got the bike out of the way, and freed up space to allow people to get on and off the train.
>
> Joe
>
> Jonathan Maus wrote:
>
> > funny you bring this up Evan.
> >
> > I'm working on a story about this based on someone else telling me a simila=
> > r story. The following is information from TriMet.
> >
> > According to TriMet "there is no specific requirement that bike hook be ava=
> > ilable. Also, here are their specific bike-related rules:
> > --no part of a bike can block stairways or aisles
> > --bicycle users (and all other riders) must yield priority-seating areas to=
> > seniors and people with disabilities;
> > --bicycles are not permitted aboard train cars that are full
> >
> > And about disparity from fare inspectors, TriMet says,
> >
> > "Given that there appears to have been some inclarity on this point for at =
> > least one of our fare inspectors, we have clarified this point with our ins=
> > pectors and expect no further issues in this regard."
> >
> > more to come...
> >
> > --Jonathan
> > -----------------------------
> > Jonathan Maus
> > BikePortland.org
> > "Daily news, culture, events and opinion"
> > www.BikePortland.org
> > (503) 706-8804
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: Evan MacKenzie=20
> > To: obra@list.obra.org ; Michelle Poyourow ; jonathan@bikeportland.org=20
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:10 AM
> > Subject: bikers kicked off MAX
> >
> >
> > A friend of mine said he was on the MAX last Friday and witnessed somethi=
> > ng rather interesting. The train was not particularly full, but all the bik=
> > e hooks were in use. There was one more person on the car with a bicycle. T=
> > he security guard made the bicyclist exit the train. He said that even thou=
> > gh the train was not full, it might fill up at the next stop, and so the bi=
> > cycle could not be on the train.
> >
> >
> >
> > This seems very strange to me, especially considering the fact that bicyc=
> > les are allowed on the "high" cars that do not have hooks.
> >
> >
> >
> > It also seems odd because of all the problems on MAX trains, this one sho=
> > uld not be high on the list. Why should a guard be able to kick a bicyclist=
> > , who paid a fare, off the train, when so many people ride the train withou=
> > t paying the fare? If bicycles really are in the way because there are a lo=
> > t of people on the train, it would seem to me that Tri-Met should make a be=
> > tter effort to get people who don't pay the fare off the train. That would =
> > free up a lot of space. Better yet, restrict access to the stops to ticket =
> > holders, so they don't even have to put fare enforcement officers on the tr=
> > ains.
> >
> >
> >
> > If the trains are filling up with people, that's a great thing. Maybe Tri=
> > -Met should consider removing some seats to free up more space on the cars.=
> > Removing seats would increase capacity for people, with or without bicycle=
> > s.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, if bicycles are a space problem on trains, why are strollers allowe=
> > d? Some of those strollers take up a lot of space. Last I checked most peop=
> > le do not pay a fare for children in strollers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Same thing goes for luggage. People going to the airport often have some =
> > pretty big bags. Should TriMet make people get off the train if they have t=
> > oo much luggage?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Evan
> >
> >
> >
> > Evan MacKenzie
> >
> > Urban Planner I
> >
> > City of Hillsboro
> >
> > 150 E. Main Street, 4th floor
> >
> > Hillsboro, OR 97123
> >
> > 503-681-6154
> >
> > evanm@ci.hillsboro.or.us
> >
> > http://www.ci.hillsboro.or.us/Planning_Department/
> >
> >
> >
> > Try Hillsboro Maps!
> >
> > Tons of info on any (addressed) property in Hillsboro
> >
> > http://hillsboromaps.ci.hillsboro.or.us/hillsboro/index.cfm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > ---------- _ '\<,_
> > ----------(_)/ (_)______Get on your bikes and ride!
>
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Joe Cipale

As is my choice in the fine summer months, I will take MAX to work (Vancouver-to-Hillsboro) and ride home. I have seen an instance where a train is half-full upon arrival at the Rose Qurater, but by the time it hits
Sunset transit Center, it is stnading room only.

What are we expected to do? Get off the train and wait for the next available one (and hope it is empty)? Considering my time... I am sorry to say 'I think not...'. I have mentioned to TriMet in the past about adding additional hooks to carry 4 bikes at the end of each train car. But apparently, no one likes the idea.

I too have seen a number of other cyclists borrow Luciano's idea of bringing an extra tie to hook thier bike up. One fare inspector damn near had a cow until he saw that it cuased no hardship, got the bike out of the way, and freed up space to allow people to get on and off the train.

Joe

Jonathan Maus wrote:

> funny you bring this up Evan.
>
> I'm working on a story about this based on someone else telling me a simila=
> r story. The following is information from TriMet.
>
> According to TriMet "there is no specific requirement that bike hook be ava=
> ilable. Also, here are their specific bike-related rules:
> --no part of a bike can block stairways or aisles
> --bicycle users (and all other riders) must yield priority-seating areas to=
> seniors and people with disabilities;
> --bicycles are not permitted aboard train cars that are full
>
> And about disparity from fare inspectors, TriMet says,
>
> "Given that there appears to have been some inclarity on this point for at =
> least one of our fare inspectors, we have clarified this point with our ins=
> pectors and expect no further issues in this regard."
>
> more to come...
>
> --Jonathan
> -----------------------------
> Jonathan Maus
> BikePortland.org
> "Daily news, culture, events and opinion"
> www.BikePortland.org
> (503) 706-8804
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Evan MacKenzie=20
> To: obra@list.obra.org ; Michelle Poyourow ; jonathan@bikeportland.org=20
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:10 AM
> Subject: bikers kicked off MAX
>
>
> A friend of mine said he was on the MAX last Friday and witnessed somethi=
> ng rather interesting. The train was not particularly full, but all the bik=
> e hooks were in use. There was one more person on the car with a bicycle. T=
> he security guard made the bicyclist exit the train. He said that even thou=
> gh the train was not full, it might fill up at the next stop, and so the bi=
> cycle could not be on the train.
>
>
>
> This seems very strange to me, especially considering the fact that bicyc=
> les are allowed on the "high" cars that do not have hooks.
>
>
>
> It also seems odd because of all the problems on MAX trains, this one sho=
> uld not be high on the list. Why should a guard be able to kick a bicyclist=
> , who paid a fare, off the train, when so many people ride the train withou=
> t paying the fare? If bicycles really are in the way because there are a lo=
> t of people on the train, it would seem to me that Tri-Met should make a be=
> tter effort to get people who don't pay the fare off the train. That would =
> free up a lot of space. Better yet, restrict access to the stops to ticket =
> holders, so they don't even have to put fare enforcement officers on the tr=
> ains.
>
>
>
> If the trains are filling up with people, that's a great thing. Maybe Tri=
> -Met should consider removing some seats to free up more space on the cars.=
> Removing seats would increase capacity for people, with or without bicycle=
> s.
>
>
>
> Also, if bicycles are a space problem on trains, why are strollers allowe=
> d? Some of those strollers take up a lot of space. Last I checked most peop=
> le do not pay a fare for children in strollers.
>
>
>
> Same thing goes for luggage. People going to the airport often have some =
> pretty big bags. Should TriMet make people get off the train if they have t=
> oo much luggage?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Evan
>
>
>
> Evan MacKenzie
>
> Urban Planner I
>
> City of Hillsboro
>
> 150 E. Main Street, 4th floor
>
> Hillsboro, OR 97123
>
> 503-681-6154
>
> evanm@ci.hillsboro.or.us
>
> http://www.ci.hillsboro.or.us/Planning_Department/
>
>
>
> Try Hillsboro Maps!
>
> Tons of info on any (addressed) property in Hillsboro
>
> http://hillsboromaps.ci.hillsboro.or.us/hillsboro/index.cfm
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------- __o=20
> ---------- _ '\<,_
> ----------(_)/ (_)______Get on your bikes and ride!

Jonathan Maus

funny you bring this up Evan.

I'm working on a story about this based on someone else telling me a similar story. The following is information from TriMet.

According to TriMet "there is no specific requirement that bike hook be available. Also, here are their specific bike-related rules:
--no part of a bike can block stairways or aisles
--bicycle users (and all other riders) must yield priority-seating areas to seniors and people with disabilities;
--bicycles are not permitted aboard train cars that are full

And about disparity from fare inspectors, TriMet says,

"Given that there appears to have been some inclarity on this point for at least one of our fare inspectors, we have clarified this point with our inspectors and expect no further issues in this regard."

more to come...

--Jonathan
-----------------------------
Jonathan Maus
BikePortland.org
"Daily news, culture, events and opinion"
www.BikePortland.org
(503) 706-8804
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan MacKenzie
To: obra@list.obra.org ; Michelle Poyourow ; jonathan@bikeportland.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: bikers kicked off MAX

A friend of mine said he was on the MAX last Friday and witnessed something rather interesting. The train was not particularly full, but all the bike hooks were in use. There was one more person on the car with a bicycle. The security guard made the bicyclist exit the train. He said that even though the train was not full, it might fill up at the next stop, and so the bicycle could not be on the train.

This seems very strange to me, especially considering the fact that bicycles are allowed on the "high" cars that do not have hooks.

It also seems odd because of all the problems on MAX trains, this one should not be high on the list. Why should a guard be able to kick a bicyclist, who paid a fare, off the train, when so many people ride the train without paying the fare? If bicycles really are in the way because there are a lot of people on the train, it would seem to me that Tri-Met should make a better effort to get people who don't pay the fare off the train. That would free up a lot of space. Better yet, restrict access to the stops to ticket holders, so they don't even have to put fare enforcement officers on the trains.

If the trains are filling up with people, that's a great thing. Maybe Tri-Met should consider removing some seats to free up more space on the cars. Removing seats would increase capacity for people, with or without bicycles.

Also, if bicycles are a space problem on trains, why are strollers allowed? Some of those strollers take up a lot of space. Last I checked most people do not pay a fare for children in strollers.

Same thing goes for luggage. People going to the airport often have some pretty big bags. Should TriMet make people get off the train if they have too much luggage?

-Evan

Evan MacKenzie

Urban Planner I

City of Hillsboro

150 E. Main Street, 4th floor

Hillsboro, OR 97123

503-681-6154

evanm@ci.hillsboro.or.us

http://www.ci.hillsboro.or.us/Planning_Department/

Try Hillsboro Maps!

Tons of info on any (addressed) property in Hillsboro

http://hillsboromaps.ci.hillsboro.or.us/hillsboro/index.cfm

------------- __o
---------- _ '\<,_
----------(_)/ (_)______Get on your bikes and ride!

Michelle Poyourow

Evan,
Interesting. I'll inquire and will report back (to you and to the
OBRA list).
TriMet is one of the few major metropolitan transit systems in the
country that allows bikes on trains during rush hour. We want to
maintain that privilege by being courteous and careful and by parking
at stations when we can, but I do think it's important that
bicyclists have that access, even when the hooks are full.
Perhaps it's just a matter of internal inconsistency - maybe the
Wackenhut security guards (I believe that's the subcontractor right
now) just didn't get the memo.
Again, I'll look into it and will report back. Thanks for letting me
know.
Michelle

Michelle Poyourow
Events and Outreach Director
Bicycle Transportation Alliance
(503) 226-0676 x13
michelle@bta4bikes.org

On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Evan MacKenzie wrote:

> A friend of mine said he was on the MAX last Friday and witnessed
> something rather interesting. The train was not particularly full,
> but all the bike hooks were in use. There was one more person on
> the car with a bicycle. The security guard made the bicyclist exit
> the train. He said that even though the train was not full, it
> might fill up at the next stop, and so the bicycle could not be on
> the train.
>
>
> This seems very strange to me, especially considering the fact that
> bicycles are allowed on the “high” cars that do not have hooks.
>
>
> It also seems odd because of all the problems on MAX trains, this
> one should not be high on the list. Why should a guard be able to
> kick a bicyclist, who paid a fare, off the train, when so many
> people ride the train without paying the fare? If bicycles really
> are in the way because there are a lot of people on the train, it
> would seem to me that Tri-Met should make a better effort to get
> people who don’t pay the fare off the train. That would free up a
> lot of space. Better yet, restrict access to the stops to ticket
> holders, so they don’t even have to put fare enforcement officers
> on the trains.
>
>
> If the trains are filling up with people, that’s a great thing.
> Maybe Tri-Met should consider removing some seats to free up more
> space on the cars. Removing seats would increase capacity for
> people, with or without bicycles.
>
>
> Also, if bicycles are a space problem on trains, why are strollers
> allowed? Some of those strollers take up a lot of space. Last I
> checked most people do not pay a fare for children in strollers.
>
>
> Same thing goes for luggage. People going to the airport often have
> some pretty big bags. Should TriMet make people get off the train
> if they have too much luggage?
>
>
>
>
> -Evan
>
>
> Evan MacKenzie
>
> Urban Planner I
>
> City of Hillsboro
>
> 150 E. Main Street, 4th floor
>
> Hillsboro, OR 97123
>
> 503-681-6154
>
> evanm@ci.hillsboro.or.us
>
> http://www.ci.hillsboro.or.us/Planning_Department/
>
>
> Try Hillsboro Maps!
>
> Tons of info on any (addressed) property in Hillsboro
>
> http://hillsboromaps.ci.hillsboro.or.us/hillsboro/index.cfm
>
>
>
> ------------- __o
> ---------- _ '\<,_
> ----------(_)/ (_)______Get on your bikes and ride!
>
>
>

Luciano bailey

I have been threatened with this same ejection many times I carry an extra
strap that allows me to hang my bike next to a bike already hung and have
never had any problems.

>From: "Evan MacKenzie"
>To: , "Michelle Poyourow"
>,
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] bikers kicked off MAX
>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:10:33 -0700
>
>A friend of mine said he was on the MAX last Friday and witnessed
>something rather interesting. The train was not particularly full, but
>all the bike hooks were in use. There was one more person on the car
>with a bicycle. The security guard made the bicyclist exit the train. He
>said that even though the train was not full, it might fill up at the
>next stop, and so the bicycle could not be on the train.
>
>
>
>This seems very strange to me, especially considering the fact that
>bicycles are allowed on the "high" cars that do not have hooks.
>
>
>
>It also seems odd because of all the problems on MAX trains, this one
>should not be high on the list. Why should a guard be able to kick a
>bicyclist, who paid a fare, off the train, when so many people ride the
>train without paying the fare? If bicycles really are in the way because
>there are a lot of people on the train, it would seem to me that Tri-Met
>should make a better effort to get people who don't pay the fare off the
>train. That would free up a lot of space. Better yet, restrict access to
>the stops to ticket holders, so they don't even have to put fare
>enforcement officers on the trains.
>
>
>
>If the trains are filling up with people, that's a great thing. Maybe
>Tri-Met should consider removing some seats to free up more space on the
>cars. Removing seats would increase capacity for people, with or without
>bicycles.
>
>
>
>Also, if bicycles are a space problem on trains, why are strollers
>allowed? Some of those strollers take up a lot of space. Last I checked
>most people do not pay a fare for children in strollers.
>
>
>
>Same thing goes for luggage. People going to the airport often have some
>pretty big bags. Should TriMet make people get off the train if they
>have too much luggage?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-Evan
>
>
>
>Evan MacKenzie
>
>Urban Planner I
>
>City of Hillsboro
>
>150 E. Main Street, 4th floor
>
>Hillsboro, OR 97123
>
>503-681-6154
>
>evanm@ci.hillsboro.or.us
>
>http://www.ci.hillsboro.or.us/Planning_Department/
>
>
>
>
>Try Hillsboro Maps!
>
>Tons of info on any (addressed) property in Hillsboro
>
>http://hillsboromaps.ci.hillsboro.or.us/hillsboro/index.cfm
>
>
>
>
>
>------------- __o
>---------- _ '\<,_
>----------(_)/ (_)______Get on your bikes and ride!
>
>
>

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Evan MacKenzie

A friend of mine said he was on the MAX last Friday and witnessed
something rather interesting. The train was not particularly full, but
all the bike hooks were in use. There was one more person on the car
with a bicycle. The security guard made the bicyclist exit the train. He
said that even though the train was not full, it might fill up at the
next stop, and so the bicycle could not be on the train.

This seems very strange to me, especially considering the fact that
bicycles are allowed on the "high" cars that do not have hooks.

It also seems odd because of all the problems on MAX trains, this one
should not be high on the list. Why should a guard be able to kick a
bicyclist, who paid a fare, off the train, when so many people ride the
train without paying the fare? If bicycles really are in the way because
there are a lot of people on the train, it would seem to me that Tri-Met
should make a better effort to get people who don't pay the fare off the
train. That would free up a lot of space. Better yet, restrict access to
the stops to ticket holders, so they don't even have to put fare
enforcement officers on the trains.

If the trains are filling up with people, that's a great thing. Maybe
Tri-Met should consider removing some seats to free up more space on the
cars. Removing seats would increase capacity for people, with or without
bicycles.

Also, if bicycles are a space problem on trains, why are strollers
allowed? Some of those strollers take up a lot of space. Last I checked
most people do not pay a fare for children in strollers.

Same thing goes for luggage. People going to the airport often have some
pretty big bags. Should TriMet make people get off the train if they
have too much luggage?

-Evan

Evan MacKenzie

Urban Planner I

City of Hillsboro

150 E. Main Street, 4th floor

Hillsboro, OR 97123

503-681-6154

evanm@ci.hillsboro.or.us

http://www.ci.hillsboro.or.us/Planning_Department/

Try Hillsboro Maps!

Tons of info on any (addressed) property in Hillsboro

http://hillsboromaps.ci.hillsboro.or.us/hillsboro/index.cfm

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----------(_)/ (_)______Get on your bikes and ride!