Luciano bailey

Why not set up a sting on Madison eastside approaching the bridge you could
site motorist bike lane violations all day long.

>From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
>To: "AK 47" , obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
>Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 15:19:34 +0000
>
>Well cars can recieve tickets for driving in the bike lane as well.
>Actually, you are allowed to ride outside the bike lane if it is more
>dangerous to ride in the bike lane or you are not impeding traffic. Tehre
>are sections on Broadway and Weidler between I-5 and MLK where I ride in
>the auto lane to avoid getting squeezed by the cars turning right on to I-5
>and MLK, and I have never had any problem even when I have passed by police
>officers in their cars. Of course, i ride as fast as I can to avoid
>impeding traffic.
>
>--
>
>George Schreck
>gschreckchat@comcast.net
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>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "AK 47"
>
> > "The point is, if we want to be treated as vehicles with the right to
>use
> > the roads, behave as one."
> >
> > And yet people receive tickets for not riding in the bike lane. That
>doesn't
> > sound like being trated as a vehicle to me. A bike is not a car.
> >
> >
> > `
> >
> >
> > >From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > >To: "Jeff Tedder & Shari" ,"Axle"
> > >,
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
> > >Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:03:48 +0000
> > >
> > >One could make that argument if you were in a car and the only one
>around,
> > >and it would be equally unpersuasive. The point is, if we want to be
> > >treated as vehicles with the right to use the roads, behave as one.
> > >
> > >However, I know for a fact that Jeff obeys all the laws as a good
>example
> > >to others as well as for his personal safety.
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >George Schreck
> > >gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > >(503) 502-0425
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"
> > >
> > >Bummer, this is happening all over town, even in downtown Vancouver a
> > >friend of mine got pulled over for rolling through a stop
>sign.....Spendy
> > >ticket.....
> > >242.00 seems a little extreme when there was probably no other vehicles
> > >anywhere around....But it look like they are trying to send a message
> > >because of all the conflicts
> > >between cyclist and vehicles in recent times....Be safe out there...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >---- Original Message -----
> > >From: Axle
> > >To: obra@list.obra.org
> > >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:29 AM
> > >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
> > >
> > >
> > >There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and Portland
> > >Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE
> > >
> > >I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to comply with
>a
> > >traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop sign at
>7:47
> > >AM this morning.
> > >
> > > I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was aware
> > >that cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't
>going
> > >to argue with him.
> > >
> > >I was issued a $242.00 ticket.
> > >
> > >He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and most
> > >likely get the ticket reduced or dropped.
> > >
> > >As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by motorcycle
> > >cops.
> > >
> > >This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.
> > >
> > >Ugg.
> > >
> > >
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> > >From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"
> > >To: "Axle" ,
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
> > >Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:29:21 +0000
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>From: "AK 47"
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
>Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 00:44:48 +0000
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With respect to a and b, there is no requirement that you put your foot down, only that you stop. In Portland, I have never found that to be an issue. When outdie of Portland, I have had a few instances to the contrary, but some rational dialog with the officer clarified the issue and all was well. The police are not our enemies although when I get a ticket, the tendency is to think they are. After all, like most people, I am completely innocent no matter what I do.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Stephen Hemminger"

> Their ought to be a difference between:
> a) stopping fully setting foot down (what cops want).
>
> b) slowing do a full stand momentarily then going.
> c) going through at slow speed looking (dangerous)
> d) going through a red light (stupid)....
>
> IANAL but b,c will probably get you a ticket.
>
> I see idiots going through red lights downtown and in Beaverton all the time.
> They really piss me off both from bad social consequences and the danger.

gschreckchat@comcast.net

Well cars can recieve tickets for driving in the bike lane as well. Actually, you are allowed to ride outside the bike lane if it is more dangerous to ride in the bike lane or you are not impeding traffic. Tehre are sections on Broadway and Weidler between I-5 and MLK where I ride in the auto lane to avoid getting squeezed by the cars turning right on to I-5 and MLK, and I have never had any problem even when I have passed by police officers in their cars. Of course, i ride as fast as I can to avoid impeding traffic.

--

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gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "AK 47"

> "The point is, if we want to be treated as vehicles with the right to use
> the roads, behave as one."
>
> And yet people receive tickets for not riding in the bike lane. That doesn't
> sound like being trated as a vehicle to me. A bike is not a car.
>
>
> `
>
>
> >From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> >To: "Jeff Tedder & Shari" ,"Axle"
> >,
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
> >Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:03:48 +0000
> >
> >One could make that argument if you were in a car and the only one around,
> >and it would be equally unpersuasive. The point is, if we want to be
> >treated as vehicles with the right to use the roads, behave as one.
> >
> >However, I know for a fact that Jeff obeys all the laws as a good example
> >to others as well as for his personal safety.
> >
> >--
> >
> >George Schreck
> >gschreckchat@comcast.net
> >(503) 502-0425
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"
> >
> >Bummer, this is happening all over town, even in downtown Vancouver a
> >friend of mine got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign.....Spendy
> >ticket.....
> >242.00 seems a little extreme when there was probably no other vehicles
> >anywhere around....But it look like they are trying to send a message
> >because of all the conflicts
> >between cyclist and vehicles in recent times....Be safe out there...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---- Original Message -----
> >From: Axle
> >To: obra@list.obra.org
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:29 AM
> >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
> >
> >
> >There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and Portland
> >Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE
> >
> >I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to comply with a
> >traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop sign at 7:47
> >AM this morning.
> >
> > I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was aware
> >that cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't going
> >to argue with him.
> >
> >I was issued a $242.00 ticket.
> >
> >He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and most
> >likely get the ticket reduced or dropped.
> >
> >As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by motorcycle
> >cops.
> >
> >This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.
> >
> >Ugg.
> >
> >
> >
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> >From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"
> >To: "Axle" ,
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
> >Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:29:21 +0000
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Luciano bailey

Well said these issues need to be addressed the problem is compounded
because many motorist include Meth Heads on bikes with the rest of the
spinning world and harbor phsycotic vendettas based on what some crack
sprinter did earlier that day... 2 more cents

>From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"
>To: , "Axle"
>,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
>Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:34:56 -0700
>
>Yes, I think everybody is smart enough to figure you play you pay, I was
>not saying you are not responsible..........I am thinking maybe there is
>alot more serious things to worry about than a cyclist rolling through a
>stop sign at a slow rate of speed with no cars around.....Like maniacs out
>running cyclists off the road or alot of other serious crimes that we don't
>seem to have the man power on our police force to stop.
>But they can hang out at 7am in the morning and find people commuting into
>work on the bikes.....That's all I have to say, I knew I shouldn't have
>said anything to start with......Have fun out there and be safe.....
>
>
>
>
>
>om: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: Jeff Tedder & Shari ; Axle ; obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
>
>
> I realize everyone does it to some extent, but if you do, you have to
>accept the consequences, as did the person who was caught this morning.
>
> Just to show the police are being fair, they were pulling cars over in
>my neighborhood for the same thing. One idiot drove right by the police
>car at the intersection and rolled through the stop sign. He might as well
>have gotten ou of his car and walked up to the police officer in the car
>and asked for a ticket. The reason why they were at the intersection that
>week was a pedestrian was hit at that location.
>
> Usually, that is what prompts these stings, and I would not be surprised
>if there had not been some sort of incident at that location. It is a bit
>dangerous at that location given the road construction right where the
>entrance to the plant with all the truck traffic intersects with the
>beginning of the bike path.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"
>
> As a matter of fact I do obey the laws but alot of us never come to a
>4 way stop and make a complete stop, especially when there is no cars in
>sight.......And a good portion don't do it in the car as well......Dean
>Lucas and his wife Julia got pulled over not long ago for the exact same
>thing on an early Sunday morning and no cars around, 242.00 ticket
>each....If they are going to place a cycling sting somewhere I would
>suggest a busy area of town where people rolling through a stop sign could
>cause problems....Where he got popped there is little to no traffic anytime
>of the day, except for cyclists and runners.........I am not saying to run
>stop signs but a little common sense from an officer on where to do this
>and who to give the tickets to would make more of an impact.
> Anyway George, next team ride I will make sure your at a complete stop
>at every stop sign and light....OK.....I will be counting how many tickets
>you should have received at the end of the ride.......HAH....See ya
>
>
>
>
>
> riginal Message -----
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: Jeff Tedder & Shari ; Axle ; obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
>
>
> One could make that argument if you were in a car and the only one
>around, and it would be equally unpersuasive. The point is, if we want to
>be treated as vehicles with the right to use the roads, behave as one.
>
> However, I know for a fact that Jeff obeys all the laws as a good
>example to others as well as for his personal safety.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"
>
> Bummer, this is happening all over town, even in downtown
>Vancouver a friend of mine got pulled over for rolling through a stop
>sign.....Spendy ticket.....
> 242.00 seems a little extreme when there was probably no other
>vehicles anywhere around....But it look like they are trying to send a
>message because of all the conflicts
> between cyclist and vehicles in recent times....Be safe out
>there...
>
>
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: Axle
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:29 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
>
>
> There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and
>Portland Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE
>
> I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to
>comply with a traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop
>sign at 7:47 AM this morning.
>
> I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was
>aware that cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't
>going to argue with him.
>
> I was issued a $242.00 ticket.
>
> He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and
>most likely get the ticket reduced or dropped.
>
> As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by
>motorcycle cops.
>
> This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.
>
> Ugg.
>
>
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Stephen Hemminger

Their ought to be a difference between:
a) stopping fully setting foot down (what cops want).

b) slowing do a full stand momentarily then going.
c) going through at slow speed looking (dangerous)
d) going through a red light (stupid)....

IANAL but b,c will probably get you a ticket.

I see idiots going through red lights downtown and in Beaverton all the time.
They really piss me off both from bad social consequences and the danger.

Jeff Tedder & Shari

Yes, I think everybody is smart enough to figure you play you pay, I was not saying you are not responsible..........I am thinking maybe there is alot more serious things to worry about than a cyclist rolling through a stop sign at a slow rate of speed with no cars around.....Like maniacs out running cyclists off the road or alot of other serious crimes that we don't seem to have the man power on our police force to stop.
But they can hang out at 7am in the morning and find people commuting into work on the bikes.....That's all I have to say, I knew I shouldn't have said anything to start with......Have fun out there and be safe.....

om: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: Jeff Tedder & Shari ; Axle ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting

I realize everyone does it to some extent, but if you do, you have to accept the consequences, as did the person who was caught this morning.

Just to show the police are being fair, they were pulling cars over in my neighborhood for the same thing. One idiot drove right by the police car at the intersection and rolled through the stop sign. He might as well have gotten ou of his car and walked up to the police officer in the car and asked for a ticket. The reason why they were at the intersection that week was a pedestrian was hit at that location.

Usually, that is what prompts these stings, and I would not be surprised if there had not been some sort of incident at that location. It is a bit dangerous at that location given the road construction right where the entrance to the plant with all the truck traffic intersects with the beginning of the bike path.

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"

As a matter of fact I do obey the laws but alot of us never come to a 4 way stop and make a complete stop, especially when there is no cars in sight.......And a good portion don't do it in the car as well......Dean Lucas and his wife Julia got pulled over not long ago for the exact same thing on an early Sunday morning and no cars around, 242.00 ticket each....If they are going to place a cycling sting somewhere I would suggest a busy area of town where people rolling through a stop sign could cause problems....Where he got popped there is little to no traffic anytime of the day, except for cyclists and runners.........I am not saying to run stop signs but a little common sense from an officer on where to do this and who to give the tickets to would make more of an impact.
Anyway George, next team ride I will make sure your at a complete stop at every stop sign and light....OK.....I will be counting how many tickets you should have received at the end of the ride.......HAH....See ya

riginal Message -----
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: Jeff Tedder & Shari ; Axle ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting

One could make that argument if you were in a car and the only one around, and it would be equally unpersuasive. The point is, if we want to be treated as vehicles with the right to use the roads, behave as one.

However, I know for a fact that Jeff obeys all the laws as a good example to others as well as for his personal safety.

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"

Bummer, this is happening all over town, even in downtown Vancouver a friend of mine got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign.....Spendy ticket.....
242.00 seems a little extreme when there was probably no other vehicles anywhere around....But it look like they are trying to send a message because of all the conflicts
between cyclist and vehicles in recent times....Be safe out there...

---- Original Message -----
From: Axle
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting

There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and Portland Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE

I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to comply with a traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop sign at 7:47 AM this morning.

I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was aware that cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't going to argue with him.

I was issued a $242.00 ticket.

He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and most likely get the ticket reduced or dropped.

As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by motorcycle cops.

This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.

Ugg.

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"The point is, if we want to be treated as vehicles with the right to use
the roads, behave as one."

And yet people receive tickets for not riding in the bike lane. That doesn't
sound like being trated as a vehicle to me. A bike is not a car.

`

>From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
>To: "Jeff Tedder & Shari" ,"Axle"
>,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
>Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:03:48 +0000
>
>One could make that argument if you were in a car and the only one around,
>and it would be equally unpersuasive. The point is, if we want to be
>treated as vehicles with the right to use the roads, behave as one.
>
>However, I know for a fact that Jeff obeys all the laws as a good example
>to others as well as for his personal safety.
>
>--
>
>George Schreck
>gschreckchat@comcast.net
>(503) 502-0425
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"
>
>Bummer, this is happening all over town, even in downtown Vancouver a
>friend of mine got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign.....Spendy
>ticket.....
>242.00 seems a little extreme when there was probably no other vehicles
>anywhere around....But it look like they are trying to send a message
>because of all the conflicts
>between cyclist and vehicles in recent times....Be safe out there...
>
>
>
>
>---- Original Message -----
>From: Axle
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:29 AM
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
>
>
>There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and Portland
>Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE
>
>I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to comply with a
>traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop sign at 7:47
>AM this morning.
>
> I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was aware
>that cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't going
>to argue with him.
>
>I was issued a $242.00 ticket.
>
>He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and most
>likely get the ticket reduced or dropped.
>
>As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by motorcycle
>cops.
>
>This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.
>
>Ugg.
>
>
>
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>obra@list.obra.org
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>From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"
>To: "Axle" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting
>Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:29:21 +0000
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gschreckchat@comcast.net

I realize everyone does it to some extent, but if you do, you have to accept the consequences, as did the person who was caught this morning.

Just to show the police are being fair, they were pulling cars over in my neighborhood for the same thing. One idiot drove right by the police car at the intersection and rolled through the stop sign. He might as well have gotten ou of his car and walked up to the police officer in the car and asked for a ticket. The reason why they were at the intersection that week was a pedestrian was hit at that location.

Usually, that is what prompts these stings, and I would not be surprised if there had not been some sort of incident at that location. It is a bit dangerous at that location given the road construction right where the entrance to the plant with all the truck traffic intersects with the beginning of the bike path.

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George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"

As a matter of fact I do obey the laws but alot of us never come to a 4 way stop and make a complete stop, especially when there is no cars in sight.......And a good portion don't do it in the car as well......Dean Lucas and his wife Julia got pulled over not long ago for the exact same thing on an early Sunday morning and no cars around, 242.00 ticket each....If they are going to place a cycling sting somewhere I would suggest a busy area of town where people rolling through a stop sign could cause problems....Where he got popped there is little to no traffic anytime of the day, except for cyclists and runners.........I am not saying to run stop signs but a little common sense from an officer on where to do this and who to give the tickets to would make more of an impact.
Anyway George, next team ride I will make sure your at a complete stop at every stop sign and light....OK.....I will be counting how many tickets you should have received at the end of the ride.......HAH....See ya

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From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: Jeff Tedder & Shari ; Axle ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting

One could make that argument if you were in a car and the only one around, and it would be equally unpersuasive. The point is, if we want to be treated as vehicles with the right to use the roads, behave as one.

However, I know for a fact that Jeff obeys all the laws as a good example to others as well as for his personal safety.

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George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"

Bummer, this is happening all over town, even in downtown Vancouver a friend of mine got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign.....Spendy ticket.....
242.00 seems a little extreme when there was probably no other vehicles anywhere around....But it look like they are trying to send a message because of all the conflicts
between cyclist and vehicles in recent times....Be safe out there...

---- Original Message -----
From: Axle
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting

There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and Portland Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE

I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to comply with a traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop sign at 7:47 AM this morning.

I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was aware that cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't going to argue with him.

I was issued a $242.00 ticket.

He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and most likely get the ticket reduced or dropped.

As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by motorcycle cops.

This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.

Ugg.

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As a matter of fact I do obey the laws but alot of us never come to a 4 way stop and make a complete stop, especially when there is no cars in sight.......And a good portion don't do it in the car as well......Dean Lucas and his wife Julia got pulled over not long ago for the exact same thing on an early Sunday morning and no cars around, 242.00 ticket each....If they are going to place a cycling sting somewhere I would suggest a busy area of town where people rolling through a stop sign could cause problems....Where he got popped there is little to no traffic anytime of the day, except for cyclists and runners.........I am not saying to run stop signs but a little common sense from an officer on where to do this and who to give the tickets to would make more of an impact.
Anyway George, next team ride I will make sure your at a complete stop at every stop sign and light....OK.....I will be counting how many tickets you should have received at the end of the ride.......HAH....See ya

riginal Message -----
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: Jeff Tedder & Shari ; Axle ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting

One could make that argument if you were in a car and the only one around, and it would be equally unpersuasive. The point is, if we want to be treated as vehicles with the right to use the roads, behave as one.

However, I know for a fact that Jeff obeys all the laws as a good example to others as well as for his personal safety.

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"

Bummer, this is happening all over town, even in downtown Vancouver a friend of mine got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign.....Spendy ticket.....
242.00 seems a little extreme when there was probably no other vehicles anywhere around....But it look like they are trying to send a message because of all the conflicts
between cyclist and vehicles in recent times....Be safe out there...

---- Original Message -----
From: Axle
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting

There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and Portland Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE

I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to comply with a traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop sign at 7:47 AM this morning.

I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was aware that cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't going to argue with him.

I was issued a $242.00 ticket.

He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and most likely get the ticket reduced or dropped.

As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by motorcycle cops.

This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.

Ugg.

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One could make that argument if you were in a car and the only one around, and it would be equally unpersuasive. The point is, if we want to be treated as vehicles with the right to use the roads, behave as one.

However, I know for a fact that Jeff obeys all the laws as a good example to others as well as for his personal safety.

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Tedder & Shari"

Bummer, this is happening all over town, even in downtown Vancouver a friend of mine got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign.....Spendy ticket.....
242.00 seems a little extreme when there was probably no other vehicles anywhere around....But it look like they are trying to send a message because of all the conflicts
between cyclist and vehicles in recent times....Be safe out there...

---- Original Message -----
From: Axle
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting

There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and Portland Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE

I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to comply with a traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop sign at 7:47 AM this morning.

I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was aware that cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't going to argue with him.

I was issued a $242.00 ticket.

He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and most likely get the ticket reduced or dropped.

As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by motorcycle cops.

This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.

Ugg.

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Jeff Tedder & Shari

Bummer, this is happening all over town, even in downtown Vancouver a friend of mine got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign.....Spendy ticket.....
242.00 seems a little extreme when there was probably no other vehicles anywhere around....But it look like they are trying to send a message because of all the conflicts
between cyclist and vehicles in recent times....Be safe out there...

---- Original Message -----
From: Axle
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Sting

There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and Portland Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE

I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to comply with a traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop sign at 7:47 AM this morning.

I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was aware that cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't going to argue with him.

I was issued a $242.00 ticket.

He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and most likely get the ticket reduced or dropped.

As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by motorcycle cops.

This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.

Ugg.

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Axle

There is a police bike sting going on near the esplanade and Portland
Opera...Mc Coys wood shop area. SE

I just got pulled over by Portland's Finest for Failure to comply with a
traffic control device, or not completely stopping for a stop sign at 7:47
AM this morning.

I was pulled over asked How I was doing and then asked if I was aware that
cyclists had to abide by motor traffic laws, I told him I wasn't going to
argue with him.

I was issued a $242.00 ticket.

He told me I could attend a Share the Road Class and pay $30 and most likely
get the ticket reduced or dropped.

As I pulled away I saw about 6 other cyclists pulled over by motorcycle
cops.

This was near Portland Opera and Division on Water Ave.

Ugg.