scott klinger

If I may add, the city doesn't get any money from
those tickets, that would have to go to a municipal
court, which portland doesn't have. It goes to the
state and to the county...
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> There is no legal requirement in Oregon to put a
> foot down, although some police officers believe
> otherwise from time to time, as I can attest from
> personal experience in areas outside of Portland.
> The Portland police are a bit more savvy. I cannot
> speak for the rules in Washington, however.
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> From: Jean Wendling
>
> > I have a question? I live down here in Florence so
> the boys in blue
> > don't pay much attention to cyclists. What do they
> consider a "stop"?
> > I just come to a track stand at a stop sign and
> don't unclip if theres
> > no traffic. Is that considered a stop
> > or must you unclip and touch a foot to the
> pavement? Would like to know
> > in case I happen to ride in the Portland area. J
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There is no legal requirement in Oregon to put a foot down, although some police officers believe otherwise from time to time, as I can attest from personal experience in areas outside of Portland. The Portland police are a bit more savvy. I cannot speak for the rules in Washington, however.

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From: Jean Wendling

> I have a question? I live down here in Florence so the boys in blue
> don't pay much attention to cyclists. What do they consider a "stop"?
> I just come to a track stand at a stop sign and don't unclip if theres
> no traffic. Is that considered a stop
> or must you unclip and touch a foot to the pavement? Would like to know
> in case I happen to ride in the Portland area. J Wendling
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David Hart

How about the fees collected by the city on cycling infractions go to making
better bike paths and other alternate routes in Portland? There is such
issue of funding. That might get ride of the issues with cyclist vs cars vs
peds. Maybe that would be too easy.

On 5/2/07, Mark J. Ginsberg wrote:
>
> I have personal knowlegde that "no forward motion" is what the portland
> police look for.
>
> So if you can track stand and have no forward motion you are a-okay.
>
> I also think part of why the Portland pOlice are doing so much bicycle
> ticketing right now, is there is a new program for bicyclists who are given
> traffic tickets, they (as axle mentioned) go to a $30.00 traffic class, and
> then the case gets dismissed, if the violation is one of the elegible
> violations. However you can only go to the class one time.
>
> So lots of cyclists right now are getting tickets and going to the class,
> but will be out of luck if they ever get a traffic ticket on their bicycle
> in portland again.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mark Ginsberg, bicycle traffic attorney to the stars (well, okay not the
> stars, how about to my friends and paying clients?)
>
> MG
>
> *Jean Wendling * wrote:
>
> I have a question? I live down here in Florence so the boys in blue
> don't pay much attention to cyclists. What do they consider a "stop"?
> I just come to a track stand at a stop sign and don't unclip if theres
> no traffic. Is that considered a stop
> or must you unclip and touch a foot to the pavement? Would like to know
> in case I happen to ride in the Portland area. J Wendling
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Mark J. Ginsberg

I have personal knowlegde that "no forward motion" is what the portland police look for.

So if you can track stand and have no forward motion you are a-okay.

I also think part of why the Portland pOlice are doing so much bicycle ticketing right now, is there is a new program for bicyclists who are given traffic tickets, they (as axle mentioned) go to a $30.00 traffic class, and then the case gets dismissed, if the violation is one of the elegible violations. However you can only go to the class one time.

So lots of cyclists right now are getting tickets and going to the class, but will be out of luck if they ever get a traffic ticket on their bicycle in portland again.


Sincerely,

Mark Ginsberg, bicycle traffic attorney to the stars (well, okay not the stars, how about to my friends and paying clients?)

MG

Jean Wendling wrote: I have a question? I live down here in Florence so the boys in blue
don't pay much attention to cyclists. What do they consider a "stop"?
I just come to a track stand at a stop sign and don't unclip if theres
no traffic. Is that considered a stop
or must you unclip and touch a foot to the pavement? Would like to know
in case I happen to ride in the Portland area. J Wendling
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Jean Wendling

I have a question? I live down here in Florence so the boys in blue
don't pay much attention to cyclists. What do they consider a "stop"?
I just come to a track stand at a stop sign and don't unclip if theres
no traffic. Is that considered a stop
or must you unclip and touch a foot to the pavement? Would like to know
in case I happen to ride in the Portland area. J Wendling