Re: Let's start a new topic - NeutralizingandOvertaking at PIR

T. Kenji Sugahara

2007-05-11

How about lead and follow go-karts?

On May 11, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

> The current rules re: passing are:
>
> "15.1.3 Field passing - Should a field catch another field of
> racers that
> started separately (except in a Handicap Race) the slower field
> will slow
> and ride at a neutral speed as soon as practical after they are
> caught by
> the faster field or its lead car to allow the faster field to pass.
> They
> will then continue to ride at a neutral slowed pace until the
> faster field
> is 300 meters ahead or until they are released by an official
> attending
> their race. The field being passed will stay to the far right of
> the road
> allowing room for the passing field unless instructed by an official
> otherwise. Passes will not occur in the final 2 kilometers of a
> race. Riders
> will not pass unless there is clear space to pass subject to rule
> 15.1.2."
>
> Some have suggested that directing the slower field to the right is
> not a
> good idea but that is only on a closed course. On open roads the
> slower
> field should ALWAYS be to the right. Thus the "unless instructed
> by an
> official otherwise" phrase.
>
> At PIR it is best if the slower field is to the outside of the turn
> and away
> from the retaining walls. Unfortunately this is nether
> consistently to the
> right or left. In addition, if the slower field does not note the
> faster
> field approaching the slower field will generally be on the inside and
> against the wall. Trying to make them move across the road is
> obviously
> dangerous. The best plan is that the field being passed hold their
> line and
> the passing field work their way around them. Those being passed
> should try
> to avoid being in the middle of the road. If you are off the back by
> yourself or in a small group you need to keep an eye out for groups
> approaching from the rear and ride to the outside of turns and NOT
> against
> the walls when possible.
>
> Although having the passing field announce their presence is a good
> idea it
> is not reasonable to expect that this message will be consistently
> passed up
> to the leaders of the field being passed. It will be good if this
> happens
> but it simply will not happen every time.
>
> Attacking from the front of the slower field during the
> neutralization will
> rarely be of benefit unless you also do not neutralize when the
> faster field
> eventually passes you. In fact more often the break off the front
> suffers a
> loss of advantage when they slow for the pass while the field
> behind them
> continues to race.
>
> Ideally there would be a lead and follow vehicle for each field and
> they
> would be connected by radios. This way the vehicles could manage the
> neutralization; indicate which side the slower field should be on,
> when the
> neutral starts and when it ends, penalize non-neutralizing riders,
> etc.
> This is what is done at most road races. I think it would also be
> a good
> idea at PIR but I concede that things work out pretty well without
> lead and
> follow vehicles so maybe it is not worth the trouble of arranging.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
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Mike Murray

2007-05-11

The current rules re: passing are:

"15.1.3 Field passing - Should a field catch another field of racers that
started separately (except in a Handicap Race) the slower field will slow
and ride at a neutral speed as soon as practical after they are caught by
the faster field or its lead car to allow the faster field to pass. They
will then continue to ride at a neutral slowed pace until the faster field
is 300 meters ahead or until they are released by an official attending
their race. The field being passed will stay to the far right of the road
allowing room for the passing field unless instructed by an official
otherwise. Passes will not occur in the final 2 kilometers of a race. Riders
will not pass unless there is clear space to pass subject to rule 15.1.2."

Some have suggested that directing the slower field to the right is not a
good idea but that is only on a closed course. On open roads the slower
field should ALWAYS be to the right. Thus the "unless instructed by an
official otherwise" phrase.

At PIR it is best if the slower field is to the outside of the turn and away
from the retaining walls. Unfortunately this is nether consistently to the
right or left. In addition, if the slower field does not note the faster
field approaching the slower field will generally be on the inside and
against the wall. Trying to make them move across the road is obviously
dangerous. The best plan is that the field being passed hold their line and
the passing field work their way around them. Those being passed should try
to avoid being in the middle of the road. If you are off the back by
yourself or in a small group you need to keep an eye out for groups
approaching from the rear and ride to the outside of turns and NOT against
the walls when possible.

Although having the passing field announce their presence is a good idea it
is not reasonable to expect that this message will be consistently passed up
to the leaders of the field being passed. It will be good if this happens
but it simply will not happen every time.

Attacking from the front of the slower field during the neutralization will
rarely be of benefit unless you also do not neutralize when the faster field
eventually passes you. In fact more often the break off the front suffers a
loss of advantage when they slow for the pass while the field behind them
continues to race.

Ideally there would be a lead and follow vehicle for each field and they
would be connected by radios. This way the vehicles could manage the
neutralization; indicate which side the slower field should be on, when the
neutral starts and when it ends, penalize non-neutralizing riders, etc.
This is what is done at most road races. I think it would also be a good
idea at PIR but I concede that things work out pretty well without lead and
follow vehicles so maybe it is not worth the trouble of arranging.

Mike Murray


Salvatore Collura

2007-05-10

A pace car or motorcycle would help a lot.

-sal

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Salvatore Collura

2007-05-10

A pace car or motorcycle would help a lot.

-sal

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