crank adaptor for unequal length legs

Michael O'Hair

2007-06-07

I called High Sierra this afternoon and spoke to Tom (?) and learned a lot. This is the person/company that worked with Alexi Grawal. I also learned that the reason he has you define your pedals is that he removes the bearings from the pedal and basically welds it to the shaft. The bearing that joins the adapter to the crank is the pivot device.

I also learned that they supply only complete custom cranksets and they are very expensive. I explained that I no longer raced and I simple wanted to be able to walk around in mountain bike shoes and then ride my bike. I don't intend to pursue the sixth Sigma of cycling improvement. I managed to actually win a few races with my very crude lift and I have no intention of spending over a thousand dollars to ride my bike a little better.

It was an interesting adventure, though.

Thanks for the pointers.


Scott and Cheryl McElroy

2007-06-07

My left femur was broken in a car/bike accident many years ago, and resulted
in my left leg being about 1" shorter. I have always dealt with this on the
bike by putting some shims under my left cleat (about 3/8") which I thought
helped. However I notice that I don't get as much power out of my left leg
as my right.

I called and spoke with Tom at HS Cycle this morning. He is extremely
knowledgeable on how to properly deal with this issue, and exactly what
their business is all about. He is 20+ year veteran Cat 1 racer, and has
been doing this stuff for a long time. What I gleaned from about 30 min on
the phone with him is that diagnosing and dealing with leg length issues is
not a simple or inexpensive situation.

Shortening crank arms, lengthening arms with extensions, shims, wedges etc.
does not automatically solve problems and can create additional adverse
issues. I wanted to get some simple shoe wedges, and this will change
pedaling dynamics to benefit the bottom of the stroke and actually adversely
affect the top of the stroke. To do it right, you have to have video work
done of you on a trainer, they loan you an adjustable crank system (below),
and eventually manufacture and sell you a custom crank set with pedals.
This will run about $1700. Since like most racers, I own more than one
bike, you need to do the math and multiples. I am having to think on this
one some more.

http://www.hscycle.com/Pages/adjustablecranksystem.html

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Don Whitehead
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:58 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs

A couple of other options for crank arm shortening:

http://bikesmithdesign.com/index.htm

http://www.bikemannetwork.com/biking/p/COMPCRNKTDM/CR8873

On 6/7/07, Philip D. Barila wrote:
>
>
> Is this: http://www.hscycle.com/Pages/cantsandwedges.html
> what you had in mind? I can't tell if it rotates or not. If it doesn't,
it
> seems like it's no different than using different length arms.
>
> Seems like if you are going to use different arms, you would want to put
the
> short arm on the short leg side, since the typical way to size cranks is
by
> leg length.
>
> I don't know if that's what you are looking for. That site also has a lot
> of other crank options. Hope some of it's useful.
>
> Phil
>
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> ________________________________
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael O'Hair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:16 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs
>
>
>
>
> This the usual second approach. The first is to use a longer crank on the
> short leg side. This approach puts the "long leg" foot lower on the
bottom
> of the stroke and higher at the top of the stroke. Instant imbalance.
>
> To make the problem a bit more clear, my left leg is an inch and a quarter
> shorter ( in the ankle ) than the right, so a couple of millimeters is not
> going to make much difference.
>
> I raced for years with a lift on the bottom of my left shoe. I'm not the
> only one. There have been several people with similar problems.
>
> I will do an "ASCII-graph" depiction and your mailer will do god knows
what
> with it:
>
> > | |--++
>
> > | | ||
>
> > | | ||
>
> > | | ||
> > | | ||
>
> > | | ++--(0)
>
> > | |
>
> > | |
>
>
> > | |
>
> > | |
> > | |
> > ++[ ] Bottom Bracket
>
> Where ++ represents a pivot bearing and --(0) represents the pedal.
>
> Note that the diagram shows the adaptor at the top of the stroke.
>
> Please let's not get into a cycle of techno-onanism. If you know if these
> are still made and by who, let me know.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Woods
> To: Michael O'Hair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs
>
>
> Just use two different sized crank arms 170 on short leg 172.5 or 175 on
> long leg ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael O'Hair
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:31 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs
>
>
>
>
> Some time ago, I saw a device made by someone in Colorado that dealt with
> the unequal leg length problem by effectively lowering the longer leg's
> crank arm. Hard to describe but it screwed into the standard pedal
threaded
> hole and then accepted the pedal on the other end of the device. (
> Supposedly, Alexi Grawal used one to deal with his 1 1/4" length
difference.
> )
>
> The attraction is that I could wear mountain bike shoes and be able to
walk
> when I got off the bike and be able to have a reasonably circular pedaling
> stroke when I'm on the bike.
>
> If this rings a bell, let me know.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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Don Whitehead

2007-06-07

A couple of other options for crank arm shortening:

http://bikesmithdesign.com/index.htm

http://www.bikemannetwork.com/biking/p/COMPCRNKTDM/CR8873

On 6/7/07, Philip D. Barila wrote:
>
>
> Is this: http://www.hscycle.com/Pages/cantsandwedges.html
> what you had in mind? I can't tell if it rotates or not. If it doesn't, it
> seems like it's no different than using different length arms.
>
> Seems like if you are going to use different arms, you would want to put the
> short arm on the short leg side, since the typical way to size cranks is by
> leg length.
>
> I don't know if that's what you are looking for. That site also has a lot
> of other crank options. Hope some of it's useful.
>
> Phil
>
> Philip D. Barila (303) 776-1264
> Jesus is the main thing!
> PBarila@Barila.Net
> MSN Messenger: PBarila@Barila.Net
> AIM: Phil Barila
> Do you sponsor a Child of Compassion yet?
> http://www.compassion.com
>
> ________________________________
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael O'Hair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:16 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs
>
>
>
>
> This the usual second approach. The first is to use a longer crank on the
> short leg side. This approach puts the "long leg" foot lower on the bottom
> of the stroke and higher at the top of the stroke. Instant imbalance.
>
> To make the problem a bit more clear, my left leg is an inch and a quarter
> shorter ( in the ankle ) than the right, so a couple of millimeters is not
> going to make much difference.
>
> I raced for years with a lift on the bottom of my left shoe. I'm not the
> only one. There have been several people with similar problems.
>
> I will do an "ASCII-graph" depiction and your mailer will do god knows what
> with it:
>
> > | |--++
>
> > | | ||
>
> > | | ||
>
> > | | ||
> > | | ||
>
> > | | ++--(0)
>
> > | |
>
> > | |
>
>
> > | |
>
> > | |
> > | |
> > ++[ ] Bottom Bracket
>
> Where ++ represents a pivot bearing and --(0) represents the pedal.
>
> Note that the diagram shows the adaptor at the top of the stroke.
>
> Please let's not get into a cycle of techno-onanism. If you know if these
> are still made and by who, let me know.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Woods
> To: Michael O'Hair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs
>
>
> Just use two different sized crank arms 170 on short leg 172.5 or 175 on
> long leg ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael O'Hair
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:31 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs
>
>
>
>
> Some time ago, I saw a device made by someone in Colorado that dealt with
> the unequal leg length problem by effectively lowering the longer leg's
> crank arm. Hard to describe but it screwed into the standard pedal threaded
> hole and then accepted the pedal on the other end of the device. (
> Supposedly, Alexi Grawal used one to deal with his 1 1/4" length difference.
> )
>
> The attraction is that I could wear mountain bike shoes and be able to walk
> when I got off the bike and be able to have a reasonably circular pedaling
> stroke when I'm on the bike.
>
> If this rings a bell, let me know.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
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Philip D. Barila

2007-06-07

Is this: HYPERLINK
"http://www.hscycle.com/Pages/cantsandwedges.html"http://www.hscycle.com/Pag
es/cantsandwedges.html what you had in mind? I can't tell if it rotates or
not. If it doesn't, it seems like it's no different than using different
length arms.

Seems like if you are going to use different arms, you would want to put the
short arm on the short leg side, since the typical way to size cranks is by
leg length.

I don't know if that's what you are looking for. That site also has a lot
of other crank options. Hope some of it's useful.

Phil

Philip D. Barila (303) 776-1264
Jesus is the main thing!
HYPERLINK "mailto:PBarila@Barila.Net"PBarila@Barila.Net
MSN Messenger: HYPERLINK "mailto:PBarila@Barila.Net"PBarila@Barila.Net
AIM: Phil Barila
Do you sponsor a Child of Compassion yet?
HYPERLINK "http://www.compassion.com"http://www.compassion.com

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Michael O'Hair
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:16 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs

This the usual second approach. The first is to use a longer crank on the
short leg side. This approach puts the "long leg" foot lower on the bottom
of the stroke and higher at the top of the stroke. Instant imbalance.

To make the problem a bit more clear, my left leg is an inch and a quarter
shorter ( in the ankle ) than the right, so a couple of millimeters is not
going to make much difference.

I raced for years with a lift on the bottom of my left shoe. I'm not the
only one. There have been several people with similar problems.

I will do an "ASCII-graph" depiction and your mailer will do god knows what
with it:

> | |--++
> | | ||
> | | ||
> | | ||
> | | ||
> | | ++--(0)
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> ++[ ] Bottom Bracket

Where ++ represents a pivot bearing and --(0) represents the pedal.

Note that the diagram shows the adaptor at the top of the stroke.

Please let's not get into a cycle of techno-onanism. If you know if these
are still made and by who, let me know.

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:woody2002123@msn.com"Mike Woods
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:mohair@easystreet.com"Michael O'Hair
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs

Just use two different sized crank arms 170 on short leg 172.5 or 175 on
long leg ?

----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:mohair@easystreet.com"Michael O'Hair
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:obra@list.obra.org"obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:31 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs


Some time ago, I saw a device made by someone in Colorado that dealt with
the unequal leg length problem by effectively lowering the longer leg's
crank arm. Hard to describe but it screwed into the standard pedal threaded
hole and then accepted the pedal on the other end of the device. (
Supposedly, Alexi Grawal used one to deal with his 1 1/4" length difference.
)

The attraction is that I could wear mountain bike shoes and be able to walk
when I got off the bike and be able to have a reasonably circular pedaling
stroke when I'm on the bike.

If this rings a bell, let me know.

Thanks.

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Stephen Hemminger

2007-06-06

On 6/6/07, Michael O'Hair wrote:
>
>
>
> Some time ago, I saw a device made by someone in Colorado that dealt with
> the unequal leg length problem by effectively lowering the longer leg's
> crank arm. Hard to describe but it screwed into the standard pedal threaded
> hole and then accepted the pedal on the other end of the device. (
> Supposedly, Alexi Grawal used one to deal with his 1 1/4" length difference.
> )
>
> The attraction is that I could wear mountain bike shoes and be able to walk
> when I got off the bike and be able to have a reasonably circular pedaling
> stroke when I'm on the bike.
>
> If this rings a bell, let me know.
>
> Thanks.
>

This showed up in an article on velonews tech section about funky drop
pedal systems.

High Sierra drop pedal system

http://www.hscycle.com/Pages/cantsandwedges.html


Michael O'Hair

2007-06-06

This the usual second approach. The first is to use a longer crank on the short leg side. This approach puts the "long leg" foot lower on the bottom of the stroke and higher at the top of the stroke. Instant imbalance.

To make the problem a bit more clear, my left leg is an inch and a quarter shorter ( in the ankle ) than the right, so a couple of millimeters is not going to make much difference.

I raced for years with a lift on the bottom of my left shoe. I'm not the only one. There have been several people with similar problems.

I will do an "ASCII-graph" depiction and your mailer will do god knows what with it:

> | |--++
> | | ||
> | | ||
> | | ||
> | | ||
> | | ++--(0)
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> ++[ ] Bottom Bracket

Where ++ represents a pivot bearing and --(0) represents the pedal.

Note that the diagram shows the adaptor at the top of the stroke.

Please let's not get into a cycle of techno-onanism. If you know if these are still made and by who, let me know.

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Woods
To: Michael O'Hair
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs

Just use two different sized crank arms 170 on short leg 172.5 or 175 on long leg ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael O'Hair
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:31 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] crank adaptor for unequal length legs

Some time ago, I saw a device made by someone in Colorado that dealt with the unequal leg length problem by effectively lowering the longer leg's crank arm. Hard to describe but it screwed into the standard pedal threaded hole and then accepted the pedal on the other end of the device. ( Supposedly, Alexi Grawal used one to deal with his 1 1/4" length difference. )

The attraction is that I could wear mountain bike shoes and be able to walk when I got off the bike and be able to have a reasonably circular pedaling stroke when I'm on the bike.

If this rings a bell, let me know.

Thanks.

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Michael O'Hair

2007-06-06

Some time ago, I saw a device made by someone in Colorado that dealt with the unequal leg length problem by effectively lowering the longer leg's crank arm. Hard to describe but it screwed into the standard pedal threaded hole and then accepted the pedal on the other end of the device. ( Supposedly, Alexi Grawal used one to deal with his 1 1/4" length difference. )

The attraction is that I could wear mountain bike shoes and be able to walk when I got off the bike and be able to have a reasonably circular pedaling stroke when I'm on the bike.

If this rings a bell, let me know.

Thanks.