david baker

I love protien in my fluid. Even if I am only going for a one hour spin.
To me it is like any other food any should have a rounded profile.
You could take bars and stuff and just have water in your bottle, but I
think it is easier for you to digest pulverized stuff, and less work to
shove in your face.
Look for products without high fructose corn syrup and highly processed
ingredients.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith A. Prior"
To: "obra"
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Protein Supplementation

> Greetings:
>
> I was wondering how many of you use a protein additive in your bottles
> while you ride. I am working with a trainer who stresses that since I
> do so mush cardio that I add protein to my Electrolyte beverage to
> minimize
> muscle loss.
>
> Has anyone used such additives? Is my trainer spouting heresey?
>
> Thanks,
>
> K
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Erik Voldengen

Why put a protein supplement in your water bottle? Keep water in there and
pack some food instead.

Clif Bars, Power Bars, even little meat sandwiches work great for long
rides.

-Erik

Seth Hosmer

There are a number of opinions out there regarding whether protein intake during exercise is necessary or not. To answer this question, there have been many research studies done. For comprehensive information on this topic, see "Clinical Sports Nutrition" 3rd Edition, edited by Louise Burke and Vicki Deakin.

According to this text starting on page 91 - "Protein Requirements for Endurance Sports" here are a few pieces of useful info:
Given that amino acids can be oxidised as energy during exercise, it is theoretically possible that this may impact on the need for extra dietary protein...in contrast (to recreational or moderately trained athletes) there does not appear to be an increase in protein requirements for well-trained endurance athletes....assuming that they are meeting their daily recommended protein intake, which is around 1.3 to 1.5 g/kg/d.

The studies that they drew upon used amino acid tracing techniques to determine whether the athlete was in an anabolic (net protein gain) or catabolic (net protein loss) state. They well-trained athletes, including Tour de France cyclists, who were assumed to represent the most extreme case of endurance training and thus an upper necessary limit.

For "during event" nutrition you have to experiment in training and find something that works for you. For the majority of people out there, a simple carb/electrolyte beverage works well. Others like products with some protein in there, and swear by them. Unfortunately, there is a lot of hype and BS in the world of sports nutrition...therefore your best bet is to become an educated consumer by reading unbiased books, and talking to people with experience in the area (coaches, etc).

Bottom line: if you're getting adequate protein in your diet, you don't need protein in your sports drink. It adds unnecessary cost and gets funky quickly in the heat.

-Seth Hosmer
www.velocoach.com

Jeff Tedder & Shari

Anything over about 2 hours or so, depending on the effort you should start
taking in some protein with the carbs......and increase your calories
some.....
3-6 grams of protein and hour after 3.....and up the calories to around
225-275 an hour also depends on the individual and body weight and effort
you are putting out....
Come on Keith I sent you alot of Hammer material along time ago that
explains all this....Did you loose it? Hammer has the product for this call
me....I have it in stock....See ya

Jeff Tedder
Hammer Nutrition Products
Solid Core Training
503-246-2388
cell 503-473-7650

From: "Keith A. Prior"
To: "obra"
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Protein Supplementation

> Greetings:
>
> I was wondering how many of you use a protein additive in your bottles
> while you ride. I am working with a trainer who stresses that since I
> do so mush cardio that I add protein to my Electrolyte beverage to
> minimize
> muscle loss.
>
> Has anyone used such additives? Is my trainer spouting heresey?
>
> Thanks,
>
> K
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Keith A. Prior

Greetings:

I was wondering how many of you use a protein additive in your bottles
while you ride. I am working with a trainer who stresses that since I
do so mush cardio that I add protein to my Electrolyte beverage to minimize
muscle loss.

Has anyone used such additives? Is my trainer spouting heresey?

Thanks,

K