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Excellent idea. Keep going, get arrested for resisting arest and fleeing the scene, and spend the night in jail. Have it all on your record. That will show them.
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George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Edward Kendrick Sr
It's amazing that the people are willing to honor such goings-on. Don't stop for these cops. Don't give your name or accept a ticket.
Would you stop for the "red-coats?" A gov't that behaves this way has made itself illegitimate.
Kristin wrote:
I got one as well during the infamous Salmon sting...I plead not
guilty and showed up to court; my ticket was changed to a pedestrian
violation (won't be on my driving record now) and the fine was brought
down to around $100 instead of 250.
Kristin
On 7/8/07, David Oliphant wrote:
>
>
> I got a ticket rolling a stop sign earlier this year. If you get one....do
> the following:
>
> 1) Plead not guilty
> 2) Get a court date
> 3) Go to court and plead your case (I did...the judge threw out the fine)
> 4) If found guilty (like I was) - ask the judge to record the ticket as a
> bicycle infraction. Reason: If you don't...it can be recorded DMV record as
> a moving violation.
>
> The good thing for me...no fine ($244 ticket originally)...I was found
> guilty for not stopping (but, DMV does not recognize bicycle infraction on
> your
> driving record).
>
> Bottomline....the whole thing is a big 'goat rodeo' and money maker for the
> city / county.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward Kendrick Sr
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North Plains
>
>
> We are in the paradigm of the automobile. As long as that is true, bicycle
> riders should always be judged as innocent, even if they do something
> unreasonable. Yes, global warming and such has made this true.
>
> $225 & $335. Hmmm. That's like having a cop force you to strip naked and
> dance the macarena. Why not simply ignore the writhings of this policeman
> and the ticket?
>
> Is this a symptom of a civil disobedience shortage?
>
>
>
> "J.Michael Manning" wrote:
>
> I agree with you, George. But why put yourself in a situation where the
> officer writing the ticket is allowed to make a "judgement" call?
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: cycleone23@hotmail.com; elongride@hotmail.com; junk@sharperphoto.com;
> obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North Plains
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:14:34 +0000
>
>
> You do not have to put your foot down. We have this discussion every six
> months.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: J.Michael Manning
>
> Related to your post...last summer I was ticketed along with 7 others at the
> tune of $225 apiece at the very same intersection in North Plains. It was
> obviously a trap, as the officer sped by us about 400 meters before the
> intersection, whereupon he hid to watch us roll through the stop sign.
> During the course of writing 8 citations he explained to all of us that it
> was a judgement call, that we did not have to actually stop but that he had
> determined that we did not make sufficient effort to stop. So the best bet
> is to STOP and put a foot down. As much as I don't like to disrupt the flow
> of my workout, it's worth the effort. Then you don't have to argue the
> point.
> Mike Manning
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> > From: elongride@hotmail.com
> > To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; junk@sharperphoto.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:07:04 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North Plains
> >
> > I seem to recall an Oregon law passed in recent years that, for cyclists,
> > effectively made stop signs yield signs - meaning that you would only stop
> > if there were actually traffic to stop for.
> >
> > I recall some heated debate on the obra list about this at the time, so
> I'm
> > pretty sure this law existed somewhere in Oregon.
> >
> > Does anybody remember this, or am I taking crazy pills?
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > To: Gary Cornilles , obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North Plains
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:38:57 +0000
> >
> > The ticket is to the driver. Each of you happened too be one. If you want
> > more value for your dollar, next time, do it on a tandem.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Gary Cornilles
> >
> > > I was with Tim and got one of the $335. tickets. What I don't get is how
> > we can
> > > each be ticketed individually when we crossed the intersection as one.
> > Sureley,
> > > they don't expect a group of 15-20 cyclists to cross the intersection
> one
> > at a
> > > time do they?
> > >
> > > $335. x 3 for basically one infraction. For that kind of money We could
> > have
> > > driven while suspended, passed in a no passing zone, and killed someone.
> > I feel
> > > cheated...
> > >
> > > Are there any attorneys out ther e that can give us advice on how to
> argue
> > this
> > > type of case?
> > >
> > > I agree that we should follow the rules of the road but, using safety as
> > a
> > > "reason" to site cyclists for rolling an empty 4-way stop is BS, they
> > should
> > > just call it what it is...a funding source. At least then I could be
> > spared the
> > > "speech" about how they are protecting us.
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