Re: OBRA Chat

Rick Johnson

2007-07-09

Let's not forget that this was a road rage incident. That the person was
threatening others with several thousand pounds of vehicle is just a
serious as if they were waving a gun.
The recent deaths of cyclists by motor vehicles is evidence enough of
the seriousness of that.

Rick

Ron Frerichs wrote:

> My daughter was on the phone after her 10pm curfew last night...I'm
> going to miss her.
>
> But it is comforting to hear that I did not need to use my own
> judgement in deciding what the appropriate punishment needed to be.
> Thanks for your sound, fool-proof advice, Rick.
>
> Ron
>
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> From: Rick Johnson
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Chat
> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:11:28 -0700
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> "...was actually
> going to arrest the guy but we decided it would only make him more
> angry at the next rider he passed."
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>
> I encourage everyone to consider some of the possible results if the
> logic here was followed consistently:
>
>
> We decided not to arrest the person who robbed a corner market
> because that might make them rob a bank next.
>
>
> We decided not to charge a child molester because they might rape
> an adult next.
>
>
> We decided not to arrest a drunk driver because that might make
> them drink more next time.
>
>
>
> Does this rational make sense? Not to me it doesn't.
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>
> Rick
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> Dave Luman wrote:
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> Message
>
> I have read at least 20 emails
> sent back and forth concerning the North Plains incident. While the
> Police Chief in North Plans does appear to be an idiot there are other
> law enforcement officials who seem to be concerned and willing to help
> riders. My son and I are training for a 12,000 mile bicycle tour of the
> US. We ride a lot out by Forest Hills golf Club. A few weeks ago a
> driver (with no other traffic on the road) attempted to run us off the
> road by speeding past us at an increased speed while blaring on the
> horn. My son was enough ahead that he caught up with him at a stop sign
> (the driver continued to honk the horn and yell obscenities and use
> hand gestures) and was able to get his plate number. A Washington
> County sheriff called and took all the information. He called back
> later and was actually going to arrest the guy but we decided it would
> only make him more angry at the next rider he passed. The officer did
> issue him a warning however. In our case at least it seemed like there
> was real concern and indeed a positive action on the part of the
> sheriff's office.
>
>
> David S. Luman
> Financial Authority
> 503-213-2050
> 503-643-1827 cell
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Ron Frerichs

2007-07-09

My daughter was on the phone after her 10pm curfew last night...I'm going to
miss her.

But it is comforting to hear that I did not need to use my own judgement in
deciding what the appropriate punishment needed to be. Thanks for your
sound, fool-proof advice, Rick.

Ron

From: Rick Johnson
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Chat
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:11:28 -0700

"...was actually
going to arrest the guy but we decided it would only make him more
angry at the next rider he passed."

I encourage everyone to consider some of the possible results if the
logic here was followed consistently:

We decided not to arrest the person who robbed a corner market
because that might make them rob a bank next.

We decided not to charge a child molester because they might rape
an adult next.

We decided not to arrest a drunk driver because that might make
them drink more next time.

Does this rational make sense? Not to me it doesn't.

Rick

Dave Luman wrote:

Message

I have read at least 20 emails
sent back and forth concerning the North Plains incident. While the
Police Chief in North Plans does appear to be an idiot there are other
law enforcement officials who seem to be concerned and willing to help
riders. My son and I are training for a 12,000 mile bicycle tour of the
US. We ride a lot out by Forest Hills golf Club. A few weeks ago a
driver (with no other traffic on the road) attempted to run us off the
road by speeding past us at an increased speed while blaring on the
horn. My son was enough ahead that he caught up with him at a stop sign
(the driver continued to honk the horn and yell obscenities and use
hand gestures) and was able to get his plate number. A Washington
County sheriff called and took all the information. He called back
later and was actually going to arrest the guy but we decided it would
only make him more angry at the next rider he passed. The officer did
issue him a warning however. In our case at least it seemed like there
was real concern and indeed a positive action on the part of the
sheriff's office.
?
?
David S. Luman
Financial Authority
503-213-2050
503-643-1827 cell
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gschreckchat@comcast.net

2007-07-09

At least he did something positive, so give him credit for that. The fact that he made a judgement call regarding the degree of sanction may have been reasonable under the circumstances, such as the fact that it would be difficult to prosecute the individual, and the real point is to prevent it from happening again.

I am not disagreeing with your logic.

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From: Rick Johnson

"...was actually going to arrest the guy but we decided it would only make him more angry at the next rider he passed."

I encourage everyone to consider some of the possible results if the logic here was followed consistently:

We decided not to arrest the person who robbed a corner market because that might make them rob a bank next.

We decided not to charge a child molester because they might rape an adult next.

We decided not to arrest a drunk driver because that might make them drink more next time.

Does this rational make sense? Not to me it doesn't.

Rick

Dave Luman wrote:
I have read at least 20 emails sent back and forth concerning the North Plains incident. While the Police Chief in North Plans does appear to be an idiot there are other law enforcement officials who seem to be concerned and willing to help riders. My son and I are training for a 12,000 mile bicycle tour of the US. We ride a lot out by Forest Hills golf Club. A few weeks ago a driver (with no other traffic on the road) attempted to run us off the road by speeding past us at an increased speed while blaring on the horn. My son was enough ahead that he caught up with him at a stop sign (the driver continued to honk the horn and yell obscenities and use hand gestures) and was able to get his plate number. A Washington County sheriff called and took all the information. He called back later and was actually going to arrest the guy but we decided it would only make him more angry at the next rider he passed. The officer did issue him a warning however. In our case at least it seem
ed lik
e there was real concern and indeed a positive action on the part of the sheriff's office.

David S. Luman
Financial Authority
503-213-2050
503-643-1827 cell

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Edward Kendrick Sr

2007-07-09

Well, bikes are not cars, corner stores, or sex organs. The idea of equal treatment does not seem to fit the circumstances. Sort of like the graduated tax system.

Bike riders of any kind should receive affirmative action, because they benefit everyone. Cars are more of a necessary evil.

It is admirable when police officers show restraint. Actually, if I was stopped on my bicycle and given a verbal warning, I would remember to stop at the sign the next time, even if that was the only sign I obeyed.

If I allowed myself to accept a ticket, it would motivate anger and disrespect for that individual officer.

Rick Johnson wrote:
"...was actually going to arrest the guy but we decided it would only make him more angry at the next rider he passed."
I encourage everyone to consider some of the possible results if the logic here was followed consistently:

We decided not to arrest the person who robbed a corner market because that might make them rob a bank next.

We decided not to charge a child molester because they might rape an adult next.

We decided not to arrest a drunk driver because that might make them drink more next time.

Does this rational make sense? Not to me it doesn't.

Rick

Dave Luman wrote: I have read at least 20 emails sent back and forth concerning the North Plains incident. While the Police Chief in North Plans does appear to be an idiot there are other law enforcement officials who seem to be concerned and willing to help riders. My son and I are training for a 12,000 mile bicycle tour of the US. We ride a lot out by Forest Hills golf Club. A few weeks ago a driver (with no other traffic on the road) attempted to run us off the road by speeding past us at an increased speed while blaring on the horn. My son was enough ahead that he caught up with him at a stop sign (the driver continued to honk the horn and yell obscenities and use hand gestures) and was able to get his plate number. A Washington County sheriff called and took all the information. He called back later and was actually going to arrest the guy but we decided it would only make him more angry at the next rider he passed. The officer did issue him a warning however. In
our case at least it seemed like there was real concern and indeed a positive action on the part of the sheriff's office.


David S. Luman
Financial Authority
503-213-2050
503-643-1827 cell

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Rick Johnson

2007-07-09

"...was actually
going to arrest the guy but we decided it would only make him more
angry at the next rider he passed."



I encourage everyone to consider some of the possible results if the
logic here was followed consistently:


  • We decided not to arrest the person who robbed a corner market
    because that might make them rob a bank next.


  • We decided not to charge a child molester because they might rape
    an adult next.


  • We decided not to arrest a drunk driver because that might make
    them drink more next time.



Does this rational make sense? Not to me it doesn't.



Rick





Dave Luman wrote:


Message

I have read at least 20 emails
sent back and forth concerning the North Plains incident. While the
Police Chief in North Plans does appear to be an idiot there are other
law enforcement officials who seem to be concerned and willing to help
riders. My son and I are training for a 12,000 mile bicycle tour of the
US. We ride a lot out by Forest Hills golf Club. A few weeks ago a
driver (with no other traffic on the road) attempted to run us off the
road by speeding past us at an increased speed while blaring on the
horn. My son was enough ahead that he caught up with him at a stop sign
(the driver continued to honk the horn and yell obscenities and use
hand gestures) and was able to get his plate number. A Washington
County sheriff called and took all the information. He called back
later and was actually going to arrest the guy but we decided it would
only make him more angry at the next rider he passed. The officer did
issue him a warning however. In our case at least it seemed like there
was real concern and indeed a positive action on the part of the
sheriff's office.


 


 

David S. Luman

Financial Authority

503-213-2050

503-643-1827 cell

 




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Dave Luman

2007-07-09

I have read at least 20 emails sent back and forth concerning the North
Plains incident. While the Police Chief in North Plans does appear to be an
idiot there are other law enforcement officials who seem to be concerned and
willing to help riders. My son and I are training for a 12,000 mile bicycle
tour of the US. We ride a lot out by Forest Hills golf Club. A few weeks ago
a driver (with no other traffic on the road) attempted to run us off the
road by speeding past us at an increased speed while blaring on the horn. My
son was enough ahead that he caught up with him at a stop sign (the driver
continued to honk the horn and yell obscenities and use hand gestures) and
was able to get his plate number. A Washington County sheriff called and
took all the information. He called back later and was actually going to
arrest the guy but we decided it would only make him more angry at the next
rider he passed. The officer did issue him a warning however. In our case at
least it seemed like there was real concern and indeed a positive action on
the part of the sheriff's office.


David S. Luman
Financial Authority
503-213-2050
503-643-1827 cell