Re: **** X-spasm **** Re: vino = cheater

Karleta Reierson

2007-07-24

Haven't you heard of the movies "Overcoming" and "Road To Paris". They talk
about tactics, they plan, they train, then they listen to the director and
team mates when they need to make an attack or a major move. I know... You
know...

>From: "Joe Cipale"
>Reply-To: joec@aracnet.com
>To: "Karleta Reierson"
>CC: gary@hawesfinancial.com, Eric.Kytola@kingrs.com, mikebene@gmail.com,
> obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: **** X-spasm **** Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:56:35 -0700
>
>Riders have the choice on what they do/dont do.
>
>Otherwise, you are giving way too much control into the hands of the
>director sportifs. The team direcotr can suggest and/or coerce all they
>want, but it is the rider's ultimate decision to make.
>
>Havent you heard of 'personal responsibility'?
>
>We all have it... and we all need to take it when the situation arises.
>
>Karleta Reierson wrote:
>
> > What point exactly? That we all have way to much time on our hands.....
> >
> >
> > >From: "Joe Cipale"
> > >Reply-To: joec@aracnet.com
> > >To: "Karleta Reierson"
> > >CC: gary@hawesfinancial.com, Eric.Kytola@kingrs.com,
>mikebene@gmail.com,
> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> > >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:50:19 -0700
> > >
> > >Wow... someone is missing the point here altogether.
> > >
> > >Time to ride the bike...
> > >
> > >Karleta Reierson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are you guys all on crack out there? Seriously do some research
>before
> > >you
> > > > write into this. The directors tell the racers what to do, and the
> > >racers
> > > > do what the directors tell them to do. They put in a lot of extra
>junk
> > > > miles the first week. Most of their heart rates wern't even over
>130.
> > >Come
> > > > on you guys you can save a lot of energy drafting and waiting to
>attack
> > >when
> > > > you need to. That is exactly what Contrador did. I think they are
>all
> > > > amazing no matter what they are doing on the side it really doesn't
> > >matter.
> > > > They are all amazing to make it through a whole three weeks!
> > > > Karleta
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> > > > >To: Eric Kytola , Mike Bene
> > > > >,obra@list.obra.org
> > > > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> > > > >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:23:56 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >E,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Dang it. I was LOVING this tour!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Then four sketchy Rasmussen training disappearances make the press,
>My
> > > > >beloved Vino mixes up blood bags (don't they label those things?),
>and
> > >now
> > > > >I'm thinking, "Why is Contador SOOOO much better than anyone else?"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Like the French riders have been saying all along: Les Deux
>Vitesses -
> > >"The
> > > > >Two Speeds" ... those who dope - and those who do not.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm beginning to think they aren't just whiners. After confirmation
>ban
> > > > >them
> > > > >all, and forever.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Gary Malcolm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > >From: Eric Kytola [mailto:Eric.Kytola@kingrs.com]
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:21 AM
> > > > >To: Mike Bene; obra@list.obra.org
> > > > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >sad, but who cares?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >let's talk about how much of a stud Alberto Contador is!!! that
>guy's
> > > > >attack
> > > > >on the climbs is the best thing i have ever seen in the tour. the
> > >best!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > > > >Behalf Of Mike Bene
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:43 AM
> > > > >To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > > >Subject: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >news>
> > > >
> > >
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/news/?id=/news/2007/jul07/jul25n
> > > > >ews
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Joe Cipale

2007-07-24

Riders have the choice on what they do/dont do.

Otherwise, you are giving way too much control into the hands of the director sportifs. The team direcotr can suggest and/or coerce all they want, but it is the rider's ultimate decision to make.

Havent you heard of 'personal responsibility'?

We all have it... and we all need to take it when the situation arises.

Karleta Reierson wrote:

> What point exactly? That we all have way to much time on our hands.....
>
>
> >From: "Joe Cipale"
> >Reply-To: joec@aracnet.com
> >To: "Karleta Reierson"
> >CC: gary@hawesfinancial.com, Eric.Kytola@kingrs.com, mikebene@gmail.com,
> > obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:50:19 -0700
> >
> >Wow... someone is missing the point here altogether.
> >
> >Time to ride the bike...
> >
> >Karleta Reierson wrote:
> >
> > > Are you guys all on crack out there? Seriously do some research before
> >you
> > > write into this. The directors tell the racers what to do, and the
> >racers
> > > do what the directors tell them to do. They put in a lot of extra junk
> > > miles the first week. Most of their heart rates wern't even over 130.
> >Come
> > > on you guys you can save a lot of energy drafting and waiting to attack
> >when
> > > you need to. That is exactly what Contrador did. I think they are all
> > > amazing no matter what they are doing on the side it really doesn't
> >matter.
> > > They are all amazing to make it through a whole three weeks!
> > > Karleta
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> > > >To: Eric Kytola , Mike Bene
> > > >,obra@list.obra.org
> > > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> > > >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:23:56 -0700
> > > >
> > > >E,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Dang it. I was LOVING this tour!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Then four sketchy Rasmussen training disappearances make the press, My
> > > >beloved Vino mixes up blood bags (don't they label those things?), and
> >now
> > > >I'm thinking, "Why is Contador SOOOO much better than anyone else?"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Like the French riders have been saying all along: Les Deux Vitesses -
> >"The
> > > >Two Speeds" ... those who dope - and those who do not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I'm beginning to think they aren't just whiners. After confirmation ban
> > > >them
> > > >all, and forever.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Gary Malcolm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > >From: Eric Kytola [mailto:Eric.Kytola@kingrs.com]
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:21 AM
> > > >To: Mike Bene; obra@list.obra.org
> > > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >sad, but who cares?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >let's talk about how much of a stud Alberto Contador is!!! that guy's
> > > >attack
> > > >on the climbs is the best thing i have ever seen in the tour. the
> >best!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > > >Behalf Of Mike Bene
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:43 AM
> > > >To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > >Subject: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >news>
> > >
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/news/?id=/news/2007/jul07/jul25n
> > > >ews
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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