Karleta Reierson
Everyone needs to make a buck...
>From: "Harry Phinney"
>To:
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It can't be all bad...
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:18:59 -0700
>
>I don't know if Karleta was being serious or sarcastic, but in any case
>it's
>at best na?ve to think that simply because a drug is used in the treatment
>of a disease that it's good for an otherwise healthy person. There have
>also
>been study results that raise questions regarding the safety of these drugs
>for cancer and kidney patients. Following are some limited excerpts from a
>New York Times article dated February 27 of this year. Note that if you add
>up the dollars, the companies sell over $11.5B of these drugs each year.
>
>
>
>New studies are raising questions about whether drugs that have been used
>by
>millions of cancer patients might actually be harming them.
>
>The drugs, sold by Amgen, Roche and Johnson & Johnson, are used to treat
>anemia caused by chemotherapy and meant to reduce the need for blood
>transfusions and give patients more energy. But the new results suggest
>that
>the drugs may make the cancer itself worse.
>.....
>?These are drugs that were presumed to be entirely safe, given for
>supportive care and to improve quality of life,? not to actually treat
>cancer, said Dr. Eric Winer, director of breast oncology center at the
>Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston. ?So any concern that they could
>shorten someone?s life are taken quite seriously.?
>.....
>All the drugs are versions of erythropoietin, or Epo, a substance made by
>the human kidney that increases levels of hemoglobin, the oxygen-carrying
>component of red blood cells.
>
>Amgen makes Aranesp, with sales of $4.1 billion last year, as well as
>Epogen, which had sales of $2.5 billion, although Epogen is supposed to be
>used only to treat anemia in kidney dialysis patients.
>
>Under license from Amgen, Johnson & Johnson sells Procrit in the United
>States and Eprex abroad, with combined sales last year of $3.2 billion.
>
>Roche?s drugs NeoRecormon and Epogin, now sold only outside the United
>States, had sales last year of $1.8 billion. But Roche is hoping to enter
>the American market with a new drug called Cera.
>.....
>The new doubts about cancer safety add to those raised recently regarding
>the drugs? other major use ? to treat anemia caused by kidney disease. A
>study published in The New England Journal of Medicine in November found
>that patients treated aggressively with Procrit had a higher risk of heart
>problems or death than those treated less aggressively.
>
>The run of bad news for cancer treatment started in late January when Amgen
>announced that in one of its clinical trials, patients getting Aranesp were
>more likely to die than those getting placebo. The trial was testing the
>drug in patients whose anemia was caused by the cancer itself, not by
>chemotherapy.
>
>On Feb. 16, the Cancer Letter, an influential Washington newsletter,
>reported that a Danish study in patients with head and neck cancer had been
>stopped early because the cancer seemed to recur more in patients being
>treated with Aranesp.
>
>Last week, The Journal of Clinical Oncology published a paper online
>describing a small Canadian trial in lung cancer patients that had been
>stopped early because those getting Eprex were dying sooner.
>
>And on Friday, Roche said it was suspending patient enrollment in a lung
>cancer trial comparing its Cera against Amgen?s Aranesp because of
>apparently greater than expected number of deaths in at least some of the
>arms of the trial.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of Karleta Reierson
>Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:38 AM
>To: gary@hawesfinancial.com; mark.sopelana@gmail.com; erikv@erikv.com
>Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
>
>Oh, Mr. Liggitt is talking out his you know what? They use EPO for cancer
>patients. It can't be all bad..... I agree to disagree with what you have
>to say. I think if they won they should be able to keep their title.
>Karleta
>
>
> >From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> >To: Mark Jenkins , Erik Voldengen
> >
> >CC: obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:03:29 -0700
> >
> >The least credible event in sports is Mr. No-Neck beating Hank Aarons
>home
> >run tally, closely followed by any WWF match, followed by the Super Bowl
>of
> >450lbs meat packages, followed by Thoroughbred Horse Racing. You get my
> >point.
> >
> >
> >
> >Apparently, if you want to win a pro-cycling event you have to risk
> >strokes,
> >liver failure and blood poisoning in addition to 60 mph down hills.
>Sadly,
> >these people need to be protected from themselves.
> >
> >
> >
> >It's time for the Guillotine. I agree with Phil Liggett that anyone
>proved
> >to have doped should be banned forever and all their wins expunged back
>to
> >junior racing, starting today. Then the same for every paid member of
>their
> >support staff.
> >
> >
> >
> >You can tell I'm moving quickly through the shock and amazement phase
> >straight to being pissed, and I can only imagine what the VS. network,
>SAAB
> >and Subaru must be thinking
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Gary Malcolm
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: Mark Jenkins [mailto:mark.sopelana@gmail.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:56 AM
> >To: Erik Voldengen
> >Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> >
> >
> >
> >It's pretty clear that the amount of self-righteousness and hand wringing
> >among the Tour organizers at ASO is inversely proportional to the
> >credibility of the race.
> >
> >Does it seem to anyone else that ASO in recent months has backed off of
> >Armstrong? Could it be that in the wake of the Riis confession that they
> >were faced with the possibility that if Armstrong cheated -- as they
> >believed -- they would have no clean winners back to 1996? Riis, Ullrich,
> >Pantani, Armstrong, Landis. All of a sudden they very badly need Lance
> >Armstrong to be clean.
> >
> >If they had been successful in bringing Armstrong down, that would have
> >made
> >the Tour officially the least credible race on anyone's calendar, and
> >possibly the least credible major event in sports . So instead, they're
>all
> >over taking Riis's yellow jersey (pathetic) and squabbling with UCI
> >(absurd).
> >
> >How can it be otherwise? The sport has a problem, and this is the highest
> >stakes race in that problem sport for everyone involved -- sponsors,
> >riders,
> >teams. And on top of everything else, the race itself is brutal. Now you
> >have UCI and ASO saying publicly they hope Rasmussen doesn't win. What a
> >disaster.
> >
> >On 7/24/07, Erik Voldengen >
> >wrote:
> >
> >On 7/24/07, Malcolm, Gary > > wrote:
> >
> >Then four sketchy Rasmussen training disappearances make the press, My
> >beloved Vino mixes up blood bags (don't they label those things?), and
>now
> >I'm thinking, "Why is Contador SOOOO much better than anyone else?"
> >
> >
> >
> >I think it was only two missed checks, and UCI and Dutch Federation were
> >using the same database? Four warnings, but only two offenses. It
>takes
> >three to get suspended. Not that I think he's squeaky clean or anything,
> >I'm just sayin...
> >
> >Regarding Contador, how quickly we forget who he was riding for last year
> >(hint - Spanish guy caught with a briefcase full of money and some frozen
> >bags of blood). Not that I think he's dirty or anything, I'm just
> >saying...
> >
> >
> >-Erik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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