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2007-07-25

I doubt that Kloden has much reason to be angry. There is most likely a good reason why he opted to not be the T-Mobile leader for the Tour after they announced their new drug testing policy and chose to be a domestique for Vino instead. Do not forget, he was on T-Mobile during the years when there was doping going on and probably realized the new regime would not eb to his liking. No proof of course, but a good basis for conjecture.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Sarah

> Kicking the entire team out definitely ups the stakes and creates incentive
> between the riders on a team to make sure everyone is clean (or at least won't
> get caught). I bet Kloden is pretty pissed at Vino...
>
> More importantly, it ups the ante for sponsors - losing one rider is bad, but
> losing your entire team is quite a blow. By kicking out the entire team, doping
> may finally be such a risk that it's not worth it.
>
> So, I agree that this could be the "dark before the dawn" where riders start to
> realize this new situation. Of course, Mao said, "It's always darkest before
> it's totally black."
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> To: Lisa ; obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:20:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] le Tour
>
>
> L,
>
> It does put a damper on the fun to say the least. However, this really could be
> the turning point. Vino disgraced, Astana out, Cofidis out, The Yellow Jersey
> stripped, Rasty fired and Rabobank unlikely to start tomorrow. This could go a
> long way toward making riders unwilling to dope themselves and more likely to
> pressure their peers into clean riding. At the very least, the sponsors deep
> pockets are going to dry up nullifying the root cause of all this stupidity. The
> glaring spotlight on the problem is the best disinfectant.
>
> My solution would also to include the lifetime banning of support staff for
> these riders? and the subsequent banning of those groups who maintain
> professional contact with banned persons.
>
> Oh? and unlike David Millar - I?m glad they didn?t stop for a moment of silence
> to commemorate Tom Simpson (the rider who died 40 years ago due to excessive
> Meth consumption).
>
>
> Gary Malcolm
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lisa [mailto:karmarenoir@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:17 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] le Tour
>
> It sucks that each year seems to get worse with all the doping...sure woulda
> been nice if all this had been examined and released prior to the start like
> last year instead of making us sit thru all the BS now
>
>
>
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David Hart

2007-07-25

>
> Chicken didn't get fired for doping, he got fired for 'forgetting' to let
> the UCI know about his whereabouts and his lying about his whereabouts.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/25/07, Sarah wrote:
> >
> > Kicking the entire team out definitely ups the stakes and creates
> > incentive between the riders on a team to make sure everyone is clean (or at
> > least won't get caught). I bet Kloden is pretty pissed at Vino...
> >
> > More importantly, it ups the ante for sponsors - losing one rider is
> > bad, but losing your entire team is quite a blow. By kicking out the entire
> > team, doping may finally be such a risk that it's not worth it.
> >
> > So, I agree that this could be the "dark before the dawn" where riders
> > start to realize this new situation. Of course, Mao said, "It's always
> > darkest before it's totally black."
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> > To: Lisa ; obra@list.obra.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:20:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] le Tour
> >
> >
> > L,
> >
> > It does put a damper on the fun to say the least. However, this really
> > could be the turning point. Vino disgraced, Astana out, Cofidis out, The
> > Yellow Jersey stripped, Rasty fired and Rabobank unlikely to start tomorrow.
> > This could go a long way toward making riders unwilling to dope themselves
> > and more likely to pressure their peers into clean riding. At the very
> > least, the sponsors deep pockets are going to dry up nullifying the root
> > cause of all this stupidity. The glaring spotlight on the problem is the
> > best disinfectant.
> >
> > My solution would also to include the lifetime banning of support staff
> > for these riders… and the subsequent banning of those groups who maintain
> > professional contact with banned persons.
> >
> > Oh… and unlike David Millar - I'm glad they didn't stop for a moment of
> > silence to commemorate Tom Simpson (the rider who died 40 years ago due to
> > excessive Meth consumption).
> >
> >
> > Gary Malcolm
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Lisa [mailto:karmarenoir@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:17 PM
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] le Tour
> >
> > It sucks that each year seems to get worse with all the doping...sure
> > woulda been nice if all this had been examined and released prior to the
> > start like last year instead of making us sit thru all the BS now
> >
> >
> >
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Sarah

2007-07-25

Kicking the entire team out definitely ups the stakes and creates incentive between the riders on a team to make sure everyone is clean (or at least won't get caught). I bet Kloden is pretty pissed at Vino...

More importantly, it ups the ante for sponsors - losing one rider is bad, but losing your entire team is quite a blow. By kicking out the entire team, doping may finally be such a risk that it's not worth it.

So, I agree that this could be the "dark before the dawn" where riders start to realize this new situation. Of course, Mao said, "It's always darkest before it's totally black."

Sarah

----- Original Message ----
From: "Malcolm, Gary"
To: Lisa ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:20:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] le Tour

L,

It does put a damper on the fun to say the least. However, this really could be the turning point. Vino disgraced, Astana out, Cofidis out, The Yellow Jersey stripped, Rasty fired and Rabobank unlikely to start tomorrow. This could go a long way toward making riders unwilling to dope themselves and more likely to pressure their peers into clean riding. At the very least, the sponsors deep pockets are going to dry up nullifying the root cause of all this stupidity. The glaring spotlight on the problem is the best disinfectant.

My solution would also to include the lifetime banning of support staff for these riders… and the subsequent banning of those groups who maintain professional contact with banned persons.

Oh… and unlike David Millar - I’m glad they didn’t stop for a moment of silence to commemorate Tom Simpson (the rider who died 40 years ago due to excessive Meth consumption).

Gary Malcolm

----- Original Message ----
From: Lisa [mailto:karmarenoir@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:17 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] le Tour

It sucks that each year seems to get worse with all the doping...sure woulda been nice if all this had been examined and released prior to the start like last year instead of making us sit thru all the BS now

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Malcolm, Gary

2007-07-25

L,

It does put a damper on the fun to say the least. However, this really could
be the turning point. Vino disgraced, Astana out, Cofidis out, The Yellow
Jersey stripped, Rasty fired and Rabobank unlikely to start tomorrow. This
could go a long way toward making riders unwilling to dope themselves and
more likely to pressure their peers into clean riding. At the very least,
the sponsors deep pockets are going to dry up nullifying the root cause of
all this stupidity. The glaring spotlight on the problem is the best
disinfectant.

My solution would also to include the lifetime banning of support staff for
these riders... and the subsequent banning of those groups who maintain
professional contact with banned persons.

Oh... and unlike David Millar - I'm glad they didn't stop for a moment of
silence to commemorate Tom Simpson (the rider who died 40 years ago due to
excessive Meth consumption).

Gary Malcolm

_____

From: Lisa [mailto:karmarenoir@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:17 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] le Tour

It sucks that each year seems to get worse with all the doping...sure woulda
been nice if all this had been examined and released prior to the start like
last year instead of making us sit thru all the BS now

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It sucks that each year seems to get worse with all the doping...sure woulda been nice if all this had been examined and released prior to the start like last year instead of making us sit thru all the BS now

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