My crash at Monday PIR 7/23 JU

Mike Murray

2007-07-31

Speedplay X series pedal cleats can fail when the wire spring breaks.
Speedplay suggests that the springs be replaced is they start to flatten. I
have had one break when it was nearly brand new and not at all flattened and
others that were considerably flattened without any problem so I am not so
sure that there is a dependable way to predict failure of the wire spring.
The Zero series has a stouter flat metal spring which may be less prone to
failure. I have never used them.

Steve Long posted about problems with removing a worn Speedplay cleat. This
is easily avoided by coating the bottom of the cleat and screws with Shoe
Goo (which also gives you a less slippery walking surface). If the screws
do get worn you can use a Dremel tool to cut a slot in the worn head to
allow you to use a flat blade screwdriver to remove them. The screws should
always be glued in place as over tightening the screws can deform the cleat
and make it not function properly; either release too easily or not release
at all.

An unscientific observance of kilo starts, which is an extreme test of
pedal/show attachment, leads me to believe that Speedplays are the least
likely to lose attachment unexpectedly of all the generally available
pedals. Old standard toe clips and straps have a reputation that they are
more secure but in my opinion this is not true as they fail with regularity
in kilo starts. There are pedals or modifications of pedals that use both a
clip in system and a strap or other strap and large cleat systems which are
more secure but will not come off even in a fall and are probably only
useful for track racing and are not practical for road use.

As an aside, I have never figured out why an unexpected detachment of the
pedal is a reason for a fall. All that you have to do is bend the other leg
and sit back down. I have had shoes come off pedals in many situations;
stopping on a fixed, full sprint on the track and the road, going uphill,
etc. I have never even felt close to falling when that happened.

Mike Murray

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To: Curt Dewees; STEVEN R HOLLAND
Cc: Ken Finch; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] My crash at Monday PIR 7/23 JU

I have sen the same thing with Speedplay. When stuff wears out, it does not
matter what it is made of.

--

George Schreck
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Curt Dewees"

> I've always ridden red Look cleats, ever since I got into road biking,
> but after what happened to Ken F. and to Steve H. (both very strong
> and very experienced racers, by the way!), I'm thinking of switching
> to Speedplay. More metal, less plastic = mo' betta!
>
> CD
>
> On 7/30/07, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> > I second your recommendation!!
> >
> > I spent 5 days in the hospital last year for the exact same
reason....worn
> > Look cleats.
> >
> > Check your cleats right now, better yet replace them.
> >
> >
> > Ken Finch wrote:
> > I just wanted to post a big thanks to all the folks at PIR who helped me
out
> > after my crash last week. I don't know anyone's name that stopped to
help me
> > out but I appreciate everyone's care and attention. It was real showing
of
> > what by now seems to be selflessness and attention that is standard from
the
> > OBRA folks and the racing community.
> >
> > I can also heartily recommend OHSU for all your emergency care and
surgery
> > needs. Everyone I dealt with there was great from the doctors on down.
> >
> > Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a broken
clavicle, 7
> > broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of which could

> > have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I had an
inkling
> > it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for one more
race'.
> > So...check those cleats!
> >
> ; > Anyway, thanks again to everybody! See you at the cross races!
> >
> > Ken Finch
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Rick C Johnson

2007-07-31

I like the SPDs for mountain biking (or commuting). But for road race
use they are too loose for my taste. Anyone with a strong pull on the
back side of the pedal stroke will feel the pedal fingers move.
Effectively that means the front of the cleat is open and any odd twist
will result in a release.
Therefore truly hard sprinting with SPDs could be dangerous. Other than
that they're great.

Rick

David Auker wrote:

>gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>>I have sen the same thing with Speedplay. When stuff wears out, it
>>does not matter what it is made of.
>>
>>
>>
>
>SPD (original version) is what I do most of my riding on, and I've never
>pulled out. It seems the steel on steel lasts and lasts. About the
>only maintenance I seem to need is checking the bolts of cleat-to-shoe,
>and an occasional dab of lube on the cleat/pedal interface for smooth
>entry/release. What do you SPD users think (especially the MTB folks
>that _reall_y use these things to the max!)?
>
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Aaron.Leritz@CH2M.com

2007-07-31

In my opinion, those red cleats have way to much float for sprints. I
have pulled out several times (not in races) and therefore don't use
them any longer. If your knees can take it, I STRONGLY suggest the
fixed, no float black LOOK cleat. I have found them to best option if
you are going to stick with LOOK.

When LOOK or any other plastic cleat wears to thin, that will simply
pull apart/break at the tabs that snap into the pedal. There are little
holes with wear indicators on the tabs. When the wear indicator hole is
gone, REPLACE them.

Ken, sorry to hear of your wreck, best wishes, hope you are up and at it
in short order.

Aaron Leritz
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:41 AM
To: Curt Dewees; STEVEN R HOLLAND
Cc: Ken Finch; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] My crash at Monday PIR 7/23 JU

As a red look cleat wearer that is probably too cheap for his own good,
what happened with the cleat? Did his foot spontaneously come off the
pedal? Do tell .. .

Curt Dewees wrote:

I've always ridden red Look cleats, ever since I got into road
biking,
but after what happened to Ken F. and to Steve H. (both very
strong
and very experienced racers, by the way!), I'm thinking of
switching
to Speedplay. More metal, less plastic = mo' betta!

CD

On 7/30/07, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I second your recommendation!!
>
> I spent 5 days in the hospital last year for the exact same
reason....worn
> Look cleats.
>
> Check your cleats right now, better yet replace them.
>
>
> Ken Finch wrote:
> I just wanted to post a big thanks to all the folks at PIR who
helped me out
> after my crash last week. I don't know anyone's name that
stopped to help me
> out but I appreciate everyone's care and attention. It was
real showing of
> what by now seems to be selflessness and attention that is
standard from the
> OBRA folks and the racing community.
>
> I can also heartily recommend OHSU for all your emergency care
and surgery
> needs. Everyone I dealt with there was great from the doctors
on down.
>
> Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a
broken clavicle, 7
> broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of
which could
> have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I
had an inkling
> it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for one
more race'.
> So...check those cleats!
>
> Anyway, thanks again to everybody! See you at the cross races!
>
> Ken Finch
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David Auker

2007-07-31

gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> I have sen the same thing with Speedplay. When stuff wears out, it
> does not matter what it is made of.
>

SPD (original version) is what I do most of my riding on, and I've never
pulled out. It seems the steel on steel lasts and lasts. About the
only maintenance I seem to need is checking the bolts of cleat-to-shoe,
and an occasional dab of lube on the cleat/pedal interface for smooth
entry/release. What do you SPD users think (especially the MTB folks
that _reall_y use these things to the max!)?

David


The look cleats probably simply broke.

I am another example of a reason to check cleats/pedals: Shimano SPD's. They weren't anywhere close to breaking, and didn't even look worn. But maybe 1/3 tension(on the pedal back plate screw), a wear ridge (the worn part...) , a little bit of grit was enough to get one shoe not to release in a fall. A half a second later my knee/body is 80 degrees over and my foot ain't. This is serious stuff and I almost lost my foot/ lower leg...

I have noticed the mtb SPDs have had a design change... so they are probably safer, but I now ride with round edges and brass cleats (eggbeaters...) They seem to have a large enough release angle too that I have never had an issue with them coming out. I mean even less so than any other pedal i have ridden (look, spd-sl, spds, time..). they aren't without problems of course, getting them setup properly, especially if you aren't bowlegged or have toe-out feet, and depending on shoe type, can be difficult.




"Jason A. Skelton" wrote:
As a red look cleat wearer that is probably too cheap for his own good, what happened with the cleat? Did his foot spontaneously come off the pedal? Do tell .. .

Curt Dewees wrote: I've always ridden red Look cleats, ever since I got into road biking,
but after what happened to Ken F. and to Steve H. (both very strong
and very experienced racers, by the way!), I'm thinking of switching
to Speedplay. More metal, less plastic = mo' betta!

CD

On 7/30/07, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I second your recommendation!!
>
> I spent 5 days in the hospital last year for the exact same reason....worn
> Look cleats.
>
> Check your cleats right now, better yet replace them.
>
>
> Ken Finch wrote:
> I just wanted to post a big thanks to all the folks at PIR who helped me out
> after my crash last week. I don't know anyone's name that stopped to help me
> out but I appreciate everyone's care and attention. It was real showing of
> what by now seems to be selflessness and attention that is standard from the
> OBRA folks and the racing community.
>
> I can also heartily recommend OHSU for all your emergency care and surgery
> needs. Everyone I dealt with there was great from the doctors on down.
>
> Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a broken clavicle, 7
> broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of which could
> have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I had an inkling
> it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for one more race'.
> So...check those cleats!
>
> Anyway, thanks again to everybody! See you at the cross races!
>
> Ken Finch
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Jason A. Skelton

2007-07-31

As a red look cleat wearer that is probably too cheap for his own good, what happened with the cleat? Did his foot spontaneously come off the pedal? Do tell .. .

Curt Dewees wrote: I've always ridden red Look cleats, ever since I got into road biking,
but after what happened to Ken F. and to Steve H. (both very strong
and very experienced racers, by the way!), I'm thinking of switching
to Speedplay. More metal, less plastic = mo' betta!

CD

On 7/30/07, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I second your recommendation!!
>
> I spent 5 days in the hospital last year for the exact same reason....worn
> Look cleats.
>
> Check your cleats right now, better yet replace them.
>
>
> Ken Finch wrote:
> I just wanted to post a big thanks to all the folks at PIR who helped me out
> after my crash last week. I don't know anyone's name that stopped to help me
> out but I appreciate everyone's care and attention. It was real showing of
> what by now seems to be selflessness and attention that is standard from the
> OBRA folks and the racing community.
>
> I can also heartily recommend OHSU for all your emergency care and surgery
> needs. Everyone I dealt with there was great from the doctors on down.
>
> Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a broken clavicle, 7
> broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of which could
> have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I had an inkling
> it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for one more race'.
> So...check those cleats!
>
> Anyway, thanks again to everybody! See you at the cross races!
>
> Ken Finch
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> STEVEN R HOLLAND
> 17203 SE 30TH ST
> VANCOUVER,WA 98683
> C-503-780-7296
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Long, Steve

2007-07-31

If you let a Speedplay cleat wear to that point, your biggest problem,
other than breaking bones, will be in getting the cleat off of the shoe
to replace it. Once you wear past a certain point on Speedplays, you
start wearing down the actual screws making it nearly impossible to get
the cleat off to replace.

Check your cleats...

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of gschreckchat@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:16 AM
To: Curt Dewees; STEVEN R HOLLAND
Cc: Ken Finch; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] My crash at Monday PIR 7/23 JU

I have sen the same thing with Speedplay. When stuff wears out, it does
not matter what it is made of.

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Curt Dewees"

> I've always ridden red Look cleats, ever since I got into road
biking,
> but after what happened to Ken F. and to Steve H. (both very
strong
> and very experienced racers, by the way!), I'm thinking of
switching
> to Speedplay. More metal, less plastic = mo' betta!
>
> CD
>
> On 7/30/07, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> > I second your recommendation!!
> >
> > I spent 5 days in the hospital last year for the exact same
reason....worn
> > Look cleats.
> >
> > Check your cleats right now, better yet replace them.
> >
> >
> > Ken Finch wrote:
> > I just wanted to post a big thanks to all the folks at PIR
who helped me out
> > after my crash last week. I don't know anyone's name that
stopped to help me
> > out but I appreciate everyone's care and attention. It was
real showing of
> > what by now seems to be selflessness and attention that is
standard from the
> > OBRA folks and the racing community.
> >
> > I can also heartily recommend OHSU for all your emergency
care and surgery
> > needs. Everyone I dealt with there was great from the
doctors on down.
> >
> > Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a
broken clavicle, 7
> > broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of
which could
> > have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I
had an inkling
> > it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for
one more race'.
> > So...check those cleats!
> >
> ; > Anyway, thanks again to everybody! See you at the cross
races!
> >
> > Ken Finch
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 17203 SE 30TH ST
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gschreckchat@comcast.net

2007-07-31

I have sen the same thing with Speedplay. When stuff wears out, it does not matter what it is made of.

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Curt Dewees"

> I've always ridden red Look cleats, ever since I got into road biking,
> but after what happened to Ken F. and to Steve H. (both very strong
> and very experienced racers, by the way!), I'm thinking of switching
> to Speedplay. More metal, less plastic = mo' betta!
>
> CD
>
> On 7/30/07, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> > I second your recommendation!!
> >
> > I spent 5 days in the hospital last year for the exact same reason....worn
> > Look cleats.
> >
> > Check your cleats right now, better yet replace them.
> >
> >
> > Ken Finch wrote:
> > I just wanted to post a big thanks to all the folks at PIR who helped me out
> > after my crash last week. I don't know anyone's name that stopped to help me
> > out but I appreciate everyone's care and attention. It was real showing of
> > what by now seems to be selflessness and attention that is standard from the
> > OBRA folks and the racing community.
> >
> > I can also heartily recommend OHSU for all your emergency care and surgery
> > needs. Everyone I dealt with there was great from the doctors on down.
> >
> > Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a broken clavicle, 7
> > broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of which could
> > have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I had an inkling
> > it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for one more race'.
> > So...check those cleats!
> >
> > Anyway, thanks again to everybody! See you at the cross races!
> >
> > Ken Finch
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> > STEVEN R HOLLAND
> > 17203 SE 30TH ST
> > VANCOUVER,WA 98683
> > C-503-780-7296
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David Auker

2007-07-30

Ken Finch wrote:
> (...)
>
> Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a broken clavicle, 7 broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of which could have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I had an inkling it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for one more race'. So...check those cleats!
>
>
In the old days of friction shifting, a scary scenario was sprinting in
a gear where the derailleur wasn't quite centered over the cog...it
could slip, placing the chain in between the cogs (oh yes, 5, 6, 7 cogs
on the freewheel actually weren't all that closely spaced!). I had this
happen climbing out of the saddle a few times...really shoving/pulling
the pedals, when: Surprise! no resistance: in "neutral" with a lot of
momentum wondering where to go. What followed wasn't pretty (unless you
had practiced doing wheelies on the front wheel). Index shifting was
SUCH an improvement!

I now return you to the 21st Century,

David

**


Curt Dewees

2007-07-30

I've always ridden red Look cleats, ever since I got into road biking,
but after what happened to Ken F. and to Steve H. (both very strong
and very experienced racers, by the way!), I'm thinking of switching
to Speedplay. More metal, less plastic = mo' betta!

CD

On 7/30/07, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I second your recommendation!!
>
> I spent 5 days in the hospital last year for the exact same reason....worn
> Look cleats.
>
> Check your cleats right now, better yet replace them.
>
>
> Ken Finch wrote:
> I just wanted to post a big thanks to all the folks at PIR who helped me out
> after my crash last week. I don't know anyone's name that stopped to help me
> out but I appreciate everyone's care and attention. It was real showing of
> what by now seems to be selflessness and attention that is standard from the
> OBRA folks and the racing community.
>
> I can also heartily recommend OHSU for all your emergency care and surgery
> needs. Everyone I dealt with there was great from the doctors on down.
>
> Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a broken clavicle, 7
> broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of which could
> have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I had an inkling
> it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for one more race'.
> So...check those cleats!
>
> Anyway, thanks again to everybody! See you at the cross races!
>
> Ken Finch
> _______________________________________________
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> STEVEN R HOLLAND
> 17203 SE 30TH ST
> VANCOUVER,WA 98683
> C-503-780-7296
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STEVEN R HOLLAND

2007-07-30

Ken,

I second your recommendation!!

I spent 5 days in the hospital last year for the exact same reason....worn Look cleats.

Check your cleats right now, better yet replace them.

Ken Finch wrote:
I just wanted to post a big thanks to all the folks at PIR who helped me out after my crash last week. I don't know anyone's name that stopped to help me out but I appreciate everyone's care and attention. It was real showing of what by now seems to be selflessness and attention that is standard from the OBRA folks and the racing community.

I can also heartily recommend OHSU for all your emergency care and surgery needs. Everyone I dealt with there was great from the doctors on down.

Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a broken clavicle, 7 broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of which could have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I had an inkling it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for one more race'. So...check those cleats!

Anyway, thanks again to everybody! See you at the cross races!

Ken Finch
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C-503-780-7296


Ken Finch

2007-07-30

I just wanted to post a big thanks to all the folks at PIR who helped me out after my crash last week. I don't know anyone's name that stopped to help me out but I appreciate everyone's care and attention. It was real showing of what by now seems to be selflessness and attention that is standard from the OBRA folks and the racing community.

I can also heartily recommend OHSU for all your emergency care and surgery needs. Everyone I dealt with there was great from the doctors on down.

Finally a friendly word of advice; my crash resulted in a broken clavicle, 7 broken ribs, a broken pelvis and the usual road rash, all of which could have been avoided if I'd replaced my Look cleat as soon as I had an inkling it was worn out, instead of thinking 'aw, it'll be ok for one more race'. So...check those cleats!

Anyway, thanks again to everybody! See you at the cross races!

Ken Finch