FW:

Jeff Tedder

2006-04-14

Yes, I guess I did, and didn't even realize it......I guess with a good
shave he might
look alittle bit like him............I better duck when I see him the next
time......
See ya Jeff
Dave let me know when you want to get together on your Hammer products.....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave German"
To: ; ;
;
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW:

> Did you just call Mr. Schreck - Boy George?
>
>
>>From: "Jeff Tedder"
>>To: "Schreck, George" ,"wleeper"
>>,
>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>>Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:20:23 -0700
>>
>>That a boy George.......I knew I could count on you to put this dummy in
>>his
>>place.......
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Schreck, George"
>>To: "wleeper" ;
>>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:16 AM
>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>>
>>
>> > You are a jerk. All you are doing is flooding everyone's e-mail boxes
>> > with duplicate e-mails. Grow up and learn to co-exist with society.
>> > Better yet, disappear.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>> > Behalf Of wleeper
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:17 PM
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>> >
>> > I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
>> > forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
>> > you.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message 1 ----
>> > From: darellp@easystreet.com
>> > To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
>> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
>> > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700
>> >
>> > I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
>> > weeks in
>> > St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the west
>> > side of
>> > Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue Chateaubriand along
>> > the Seine
>> > river. At least then the traffic wasn't that bad on weekends, and I
>> > even
>> > hooked up with a local team while riding out there. St Germain
>> > en-Laye is an
>> > up-scale area with little crime or problems. With all the crazy riots
>> > over
>> > there right now, I would be very careful about which suburbs you
>> > choose to
>> > ride in. It's generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most
>> > 'burbs
>> > are where the low income people are, and the inner city is more
>> > well-to-do.
>> > I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye
>> > and
>> > along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.
>> >
>> > Bonne Chance,
>> >
>> > Darell Provencher
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Ken Benderly
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
>> >
>> > I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible
>> > to
>> > train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
>> > Or
>> > should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?
>> >
>> > Merci bien,
>> >
>> > Ken
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Lisa Winchester

2006-04-14

Personally, I liked Erik's comment the best.

Subject: Re: FW:
Date: 04/13/2006 07:34 PM
From: Erik Voldengen
Read the bottom footer of EVERY message you receive, sport.

Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Threatening the group with some idiotic ultimatum: irritating.
Learning to read: Priceless.


Dave German

2006-04-14

Did you just call Mr. Schreck - Boy George?

>From: "Jeff Tedder"
>To: "Schreck, George" ,"wleeper"
>,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:20:23 -0700
>
>That a boy George.......I knew I could count on you to put this dummy in
>his
>place.......
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Schreck, George"
>To: "wleeper" ;
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>
>
> > You are a jerk. All you are doing is flooding everyone's e-mail boxes
> > with duplicate e-mails. Grow up and learn to co-exist with society.
> > Better yet, disappear.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of wleeper
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:17 PM
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW:
> >
> > I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
> > forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
> > you.
> >
> >
> > ---- Original Message 1 ----
> > From: darellp@easystreet.com
> > To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
> > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700
> >
> > I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
> > weeks in
> > St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the west
> > side of
> > Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue Chateaubriand along
> > the Seine
> > river. At least then the traffic wasn't that bad on weekends, and I
> > even
> > hooked up with a local team while riding out there. St Germain
> > en-Laye is an
> > up-scale area with little crime or problems. With all the crazy riots
> > over
> > there right now, I would be very careful about which suburbs you
> > choose to
> > ride in. It's generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most
> > 'burbs
> > are where the low income people are, and the inner city is more
> > well-to-do.
> > I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye
> > and
> > along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.
> >
> > Bonne Chance,
> >
> > Darell Provencher
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Ken Benderly
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
> >
> > I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible
> > to
> > train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
> > Or
> > should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?
> >
> > Merci bien,
> >
> > Ken
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Robert Burney

2006-04-14

I suggest that we all stop responding to the list with these comments and
make them to wleeper@actionnet.net directly. This is clogging the list.

Robert E. Burney, JD

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of palm615@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:37 PM
To: Long, Steve; wleeper; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW:

I thought that all you had to do was click on the "unsubscribe" link at the
bottom of the page and send a blank email. You don't even have to ask
politely. Just do it!

Dave

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Long, Steve"

> Okay, instead of just trying to punish the whole OBRA subscribers list,
> how about doing your own work and just going to this page:
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> And filling in the blanks?
>
> Wouldn't that be easier than reposting everything back to the list.
>
> A wise man once said, it is better to remain quite and let everyone
> think you are foolish than to open your mouth and remove all
> speculation...
> Hugely paraphrased...
>
> Hope he wasn't just referring to me... :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of wleeper
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:17 PM
&g t; To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>
> I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
> forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
> you.
>
>
> ---- Original Message 1 ----
> From: darellp@easystreet.com
> To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700
>
> I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
> weeks in St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the
> west side of Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue
> Chateaubriand along the Seine river. At least then the traffic wasn't
> that bad on weekends, and I even hooked up with a local team while
> riding out there. St Germain en-Laye is an up-scale area with little
> crime or problems. With all the c razy riots over there right now, I
> would be very careful about which suburbs you choose to ride in. It's
> generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most 'burbs are where
> the low income people are, and the inner city is more well-to-do.
> I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye and
> along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.
>
> Bonne Chance,
>
> Darell Provencher
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Ken Benderly
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
>
> I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible to
> train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
> Or
> should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?
>
> Merci bien,
>
> Ken
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
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palm615@comcast.net

2006-04-14

I thought that all you had to do was click on the "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the page and send a blank email. You don't even have to ask politely. Just do it!

Dave

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Long, Steve"

> Okay, instead of just trying to punish the whole OBRA subscribers list,
> how about doing your own work and just going to this page:
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> And filling in the blanks?
>
> Wouldn't that be easier than reposting everything back to the list.
>
> A wise man once said, it is better to remain quite and let everyone
> think you are foolish than to open your mouth and remove all
> speculation...
> Hugely paraphrased...
>
> Hope he wasn't just referring to me... :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of wleeper
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>
> I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
> forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
> you.
>
>
> ---- Original Message 1 ----
> From: darellp@easystreet.com
> To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700
>
> I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
> weeks in St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the
> west side of Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue
> Chateaubriand along the Seine river. At least then the traffic wasn't
> that bad on weekends, and I even hooked up with a local team while
> riding out there. St Germain en-Laye is an up-scale area with little
> crime or problems. With all the crazy riots over there right now, I
> would be very careful about which suburbs you choose to ride in. It's
> generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most 'burbs are where
> the low income people are, and the inner city is more well-to-do.
> I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye and
> along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.
>
> Bonne Chance,
>
> Darell Provencher
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Ken Benderly
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
>
> I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible to
> train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
> Or
> should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?
>
> Merci bien,
>
> Ken
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
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>
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Schreck, George

2006-04-14

For some reason, it just struck me the wrong way. I probably had to do
with the 100+ e-mails in my mail box this morning.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick C Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:39 AM
To: Schreck, George
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW:

Aw come on George, just say what you really mean. Don't hold it in...
;-)

Rick

Schreck, George wrote:

>You are a jerk. All you are doing is flooding everyone's e-mail boxes
>with duplicate e-mails. Grow up and learn to co-exist with society.
>Better yet, disappear.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of wleeper
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:17 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>
>I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
>forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
>you.
>
>
>---- Original Message 1 ----
>From: darellp@easystreet.com
>To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700
>
>I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
>weeks in
>St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the west
>side of
>Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue Chateaubriand along
>the Seine
>river. At least then the traffic wasn't that bad on weekends, and I
>even
>hooked up with a local team while riding out there. St Germain
>en-Laye is an
>up-scale area with little crime or problems. With all the crazy riots
>over
>there right now, I would be very careful about which suburbs you
>choose to
>ride in. It's generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most
>'burbs
>are where the low income people are, and the inner city is more
>well-to-do.
>I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye
>and
>along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.
>
>Bonne Chance,
>
>Darell Provencher
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>On
>Behalf Of Ken Benderly
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
>
>I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible
>to
>train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
>Or
>should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?
>
>Merci bien,
>
>Ken
>_______________________________________________
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Rick C Johnson

2006-04-14

Aw come on George, just say what you really mean. Don't hold it in...
;-)

Rick

Schreck, George wrote:

>You are a jerk. All you are doing is flooding everyone's e-mail boxes
>with duplicate e-mails. Grow up and learn to co-exist with society.
>Better yet, disappear.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of wleeper
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:17 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>
>I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
>forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
>you.
>
>
>---- Original Message 1 ----
>From: darellp@easystreet.com
>To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700
>
>I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
>weeks in
>St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the west
>side of
>Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue Chateaubriand along
>the Seine
>river. At least then the traffic wasn't that bad on weekends, and I
>even
>hooked up with a local team while riding out there. St Germain
>en-Laye is an
>up-scale area with little crime or problems. With all the crazy riots
>over
>there right now, I would be very careful about which suburbs you
>choose to
>ride in. It's generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most
>'burbs
>are where the low income people are, and the inner city is more
>well-to-do.
>I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye
>and
>along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.
>
>Bonne Chance,
>
>Darell Provencher
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>On
>Behalf Of Ken Benderly
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
>
>I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible
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>Or
>should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?
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>Merci bien,
>
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Jeff Tedder

2006-04-14

That a boy George.......I knew I could count on you to put this dummy in his
place.......

----- Original Message -----
From: "Schreck, George"
To: "wleeper" ;
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW:

> You are a jerk. All you are doing is flooding everyone's e-mail boxes
> with duplicate e-mails. Grow up and learn to co-exist with society.
> Better yet, disappear.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of wleeper
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:17 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW:
>
> I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
> forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
> you.
>
>
> ---- Original Message 1 ----
> From: darellp@easystreet.com
> To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700
>
> I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
> weeks in
> St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the west
> side of
> Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue Chateaubriand along
> the Seine
> river. At least then the traffic wasn't that bad on weekends, and I
> even
> hooked up with a local team while riding out there. St Germain
> en-Laye is an
> up-scale area with little crime or problems. With all the crazy riots
> over
> there right now, I would be very careful about which suburbs you
> choose to
> ride in. It's generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most
> 'burbs
> are where the low income people are, and the inner city is more
> well-to-do.
> I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye
> and
> along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.
>
> Bonne Chance,
>
> Darell Provencher
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Ken Benderly
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
>
> I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible
> to
> train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
> Or
> should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?
>
> Merci bien,
>
> Ken
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Schreck, George

2006-04-14

You are a jerk. All you are doing is flooding everyone's e-mail boxes
with duplicate e-mails. Grow up and learn to co-exist with society.
Better yet, disappear.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of wleeper
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:17 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW:

I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
you.

---- Original Message 1 ----
From: darellp@easystreet.com
To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700

I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
weeks in
St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the west
side of
Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue Chateaubriand along
the Seine
river. At least then the traffic wasn't that bad on weekends, and I
even
hooked up with a local team while riding out there. St Germain
en-Laye is an
up-scale area with little crime or problems. With all the crazy riots
over
there right now, I would be very careful about which suburbs you
choose to
ride in. It's generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most
'burbs
are where the low income people are, and the inner city is more
well-to-do.
I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye
and
along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.

Bonne Chance,

Darell Provencher

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Ken Benderly
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?

I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible
to
train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
Or
should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?

Merci bien,

Ken
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Long, Steve

2006-04-14

Okay, instead of just trying to punish the whole OBRA subscribers list,
how about doing your own work and just going to this page:
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
And filling in the blanks?

Wouldn't that be easier than reposting everything back to the list.

A wise man once said, it is better to remain quite and let everyone
think you are foolish than to open your mouth and remove all
speculation...
Hugely paraphrased...

Hope he wasn't just referring to me... :)

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of wleeper
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:17 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW:

I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
you.

---- Original Message 1 ----
From: darellp@easystreet.com
To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700

I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
weeks in St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the
west side of Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue
Chateaubriand along the Seine river. At least then the traffic wasn't
that bad on weekends, and I even hooked up with a local team while
riding out there. St Germain en-Laye is an up-scale area with little
crime or problems. With all the crazy riots over there right now, I
would be very careful about which suburbs you choose to ride in. It's
generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most 'burbs are where
the low income people are, and the inner city is more well-to-do.
I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye and
along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.

Bonne Chance,

Darell Provencher

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Ken Benderly
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?

I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible to
train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
Or
should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?

Merci bien,

Ken
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Erik Voldengen

2006-04-13

Read the bottom footer of EVERY message you receive, sport.

> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Threatening the group with some idiotic ultimatum: irritating.
Learning to read: Priceless.


wleeper

2006-04-13

---- Original Message 1 ----
From: plummema@onid.orst.edu
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 'cross frame
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:25:05 -0700

I have a cross frame that I was going to build, but I've lost
interest. I
got it over the winter and haven't done anything to it.

Company-Fetish Cycles

Model-Ankh

Size-56

This is the company's link for that frame.

http://www.fetishcycles.com/road1.html

$125 or trade for something cool

Email me if you're interested.

Matt Plummer

---- Original Message 2 ----
From: dcjmccann@msn.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Chasing The Rabbit
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:17:16 -0700

Hey All

Just a quick up date on the race conditions. Traction is GREAT. There
is
some patches of mud, but very few and not very big. I rode the course
today
and I have very little mud on me or the bike. Even if we get some
rain the
course will hold up really nice. It could even make for even better
traction.

begginers, Jr Varsity will race 1.7 laps (11 miles)
sports, singlespeeds and Varsity will race 2.7 (18 miles)
Pro, Semi-pro, Expert and will race (25 miles)

Yes....You did read that right, the pro-experts race first at 10:00am
and
the Begginers and SS and Sports and Varsity race the later race at
12:00
noon. Awards will follow right after each race (pro expert about
12:30) and
the raffle will be after the 2nd race.

Course is marked with orange tape now and I will mark the course with
signs
Friday morning.

Parking... Please pull all the way up and drop off your fans than
pull back
down the road and park on the RIGHT side of the street. Please do NOT
block
any drive ways. If you don't bring your fans,than you can just park
and not
come all the way up.

This is a fundraiser for Pistis Ministries, Thank You for all your
support.

I look forward to seeing all of you

Cliff McCann

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---- Original Message 3 ----
From: clarkritchie@yahoo.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS PowerCranks, NIB
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:56:21 -0700 (PDT)

I've got a set of Power Cranks for sale. New in box, never used.
175mm, Octalink.

These sell for $799 at www.PowerCranks.com. Asking $675 for OBRA.

Read the reviews on Pez:
http://procyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=758

CLARK RITCHIE


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---- Original Message 4 ----
From: steven@blazeart.net
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track Worlds
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:34:13 -0700

I don't know if anyone has been keeping up, but Sarah Hammer one gold
in the
4k Pursuit at track worlds today in France. The first Elite Gold for
the US
since '96.

http://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=2182

- Steven

www.supersteveo.com

"You only need one gear to go fast"

---- Original Message 5 ----
From: steven@blazeart.net
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Track Worlds
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:37:50 -0700

She "won" gold actually.

- Steven

www.supersteveo.com

"You only need one gear to go fast"

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Steven Beardsley
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:34 PM
To: 'OBRA'
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track Worlds

I don't know if anyone has been keeping up, but Sarah Hammer one gold
in the
4k Pursuit at track worlds today in France. The first Elite Gold for
the US
since '96.

http://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=2182

- Steven

www.supersteveo.com

"You only need one gear to go fast"

---- Original Message 6 ----
From: matthew.wolpert@gmail.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] A Cyclist's Day in Court - Spoiler (Happy Ending)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:11:39 -0700

Thought there would be folks out there who would appreciate this....
Links to the original article are at the bottom.
-Matthew

A Cyclist's Day in Court
Posted by: Jessica
Apr 13 2006, 12:11 pm
I spent the morning in traffic court.

Nope, I wasn't there because I got a ticket, but rather to support
Portland cyclist Sean Barrett. Sean was hit by a car last November
near the Rose Quarter. The driver made a sudden right turn from two
lanes over, darting into the bike lane where Sean was.

Luckily for Sean, a second driver who witnessed the crash stayed to
help. Unluckily, 911 operators refused to send out an ambulance when
the witness called, and thus police never arrived on the scene. No
ticket was issued, and when Sean tried to follow up with the police,
they told him they wouldn't fill out an accident report or issue a
ticket.

In the past, that would have been the (frustrating) end of the story,
and it's a story I hear too often here at the BTA.

Portland lawyer (and dedicated cycling advocate) Ray Thomas has
recently been working on a revolutionary tool to help cyclists in this
situation (more info here), and Sean was in the perfect position to
try this out. (The first such case was recently resolved in favor of
the cyclist; here's a recent Portland Mercury article about it.)

Oregon law allows citizens to initiate a traffic complaint in court
(ORS 153.058). It's seldom used, though--this morning in court the
judge said that he had never seen such a case in his six years on the
traffic court bench.

Following Ray's advice, Sean prepared his case thoroughly, filling out
plenty of paperwork, creating a detailed hand-drawn map, and making
sure his witness would be present. Thankfully, she was.

The driver had originally pled not guilty, but she changed her plea to
"no contest," which led to a conviction for failure to yield in a bike
lane (ORS 811.050) and improper right hand turn (ORS 811.355). Those
convictions will go on her driving record, and, I hope she'll think
twice before she darts across a bike lane without looking again.

I was there with BTA head honcho Evan, and bike community members Ken
and Meghan (as well as Sean's mom), to lend moral support and
demonstrate that the bike community is watching these cases. I
couldn't be happier for Sean that he was able to see justice done, and
make sure that cyclists are given their rightful protection under law.

We'll continue to work on this idea with Ray and others. With two wins
out of two cases, it's clear that citizen-initiated enforcement is an
idea whose time has come.

_______________________

I just wanted to let you all know that Sean's citizen-initiated
traffic
case this morning resulted in two convictions against the driver. More
here:

http://www.bta4bikes.org/btablog/2006/04/13/a-cyclists-day-in-court/

Also, did you see today's article in the Mercury on the same topic?

http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?oid=38057&category=221
01
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---- Original Message 7 ----
From: matthew.wolpert@gmail.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Springwater development may nix trail improvement
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:23:31 -0700

Thought folks might also like to know about this one...

Original article is here (see original article for map of described
area):
http://tinyurl.com/eddb9

Springwater development may nix trail improvement

SK Northwest, a seller of boats and personal watercraft currently
located on NE Sandy Blvd, has filed an application to construct a new
building on the Willamette just south of OMSI between SE Caruthers and
SE 4th Ave. (see map). In their application to the Bureau of
Development Services the company has requested an exemption from an
existing greenway trail easement that runs across the property on the
riverfront.

According to a representative from Portland Parks and Recreation, SK
Northwest has "several concerns with the trail and trail users." These
concerns likely stem from the fact that they want to build a new dock
to store their boats and they don't want to deal with trail users
coming onto their property.

Currently, this section of the Eastbank Esplanade trail (SE Caruthers
to SE 4th Ave), as it transitions into the Springwater Corridor Trail,
forces bicycles and pedestrians onto poorly maintained surface streets
and into dangerous interactions with industrial businesses (including
Ross Island Concrete).

Because of this substandard route, trail advocates have been
negotiating with the City of Portland and Portland Parks and
Recreation to build a new trail on the existing easement that would
stay along the waterfront and go from SE Caruthers to SE Woodward
(labeled "recreational trail" on the map), making a seamless
connection from the Steel Bridge south onto the Springwater Corridor.

But if SK Northwest gets their way, this trail will never be built.

It's no surprise that their application has already drawn fire from
bicycle advocates and the Hosford Abernathy Neighborhood Assocation.
Here's the opinion of one concerned trail user and neighborhood
resident:

"In my opinion, the current trail detour (Caruthers / SE Fourth) is
not an acceptable long-term solution. The current path detour is
frequently blocked by delivery trucks and other vehicles?and these
roads have not been maintained by either the city or the local
businesses, especially the segment on SE 4th. I don't think the City
should issue the greenway variance as requested, but rather, should
require the greenway trail to be constructed on the lot as planned.
I'm pretty sure the HAND neighborhood association will submit comments
on the plan, opposing the greenway variance."

Because this is such an important section of trail that could be lost
forever, I strongly urge you to call, write a letter, fax, or email
Kate Green at the Bureau of Development Services. Please indicate case
number LU 05-178171 GW in all correspondence. Comments must be
received by 5:00PM on April 27th. Her contact information is below:

Kate Green
kgreen@ci.portland.or.us
ph. (503) 823-5868
fax (503) 823-5630
Bureau of Development Services
1900 SW Fourth Ave., Suite 5000
Portland, OR 97201
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---- Original Message 8 ----
From: jon.nigbor@consumer-care.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB Road Bike
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:24:40 -0700

I have a friend who's looking to buy a 52 or 54 cm road or cross
bike. He'd like a nice condition bike no more than 5 years old.
Please reply to me.
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---- Original Message 9 ----
From: rondot@spiritone.com
To: matthew.wolpert@gmail.com, obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] A Cyclist's Day in Court - Spoiler (Happy
Ending)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:50:47 -0700

I just about became a "Sean" this afternoon riding Broadway south
just after
the 405 overpass/off-ramp where SW6th becomes two way. I was about
30 yards
from the right turn when a full sized Bronco came from the middle
lane,
across the right lane and into the bike lane, proceeding around the
corner
in the bike lane. Just about took this youngster away to another
land (and
I am not talking Iraq). I yelled (not an obsenity which surprised
me) and
then when I caught up with the vehicle at the light near Terwilliger
Plaza,
the passenger said "I am sorry". I nodded and kept on going toward
the VA
hospital (I was quite under control considering what had happened).
I know
that happened several other times today in Portland Metro. Just
maybe this
driver did learn to LOOK before turning. Ride safe out there folks
and
THANK YOU BTA, Matthew and all others supporting cycling in Oregon.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Wolpert"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] A Cyclist's Day in Court - Spoiler (Happy Ending)

> Thought there would be folks out there who would appreciate this....
> Links to the original article are at the bottom.
> -Matthew
>
> A Cyclist's Day in Court
> Posted by: Jessica
> Apr 13 2006, 12:11 pm
> I spent the morning in traffic court.
>
> Nope, I wasn't there because I got a ticket, but rather to support
> Portland cyclist Sean Barrett. Sean was hit by a car last November
> near the Rose Quarter. The driver made a sudden right turn from two
> lanes over, darting into the bike lane where Sean was.
>
> Luckily for Sean, a second driver who witnessed the crash stayed to
> help. Unluckily, 911 operators refused to send out an ambulance when
> the witness called, and thus police never arrived on the scene. No
> ticket was issued, and when Sean tried to follow up with the police,
> they told him they wouldn't fill out an accident report or issue a
> ticket.
>
> In the past, that would have been the (frustrating) end of the
story,
> and it's a story I hear too often here at the BTA.
>
> Portland lawyer (and dedicated cycling advocate) Ray Thomas has
> recently been working on a revolutionary tool to help cyclists in
this
> situation (more info here), and Sean was in the perfect position to
> try this out. (The first such case was recently resolved in favor of
> the cyclist; here's a recent Portland Mercury article about it.)
>
> Oregon law allows citizens to initiate a traffic complaint in court
> (ORS 153.058). It's seldom used, though--this morning in court the
> judge said that he had never seen such a case in his six years on
the
> traffic court bench.
>
> Following Ray's advice, Sean prepared his case thoroughly, filling
out
> plenty of paperwork, creating a detailed hand-drawn map, and making
> sure his witness would be present. Thankfully, she was.
>
> The driver had originally pled not guilty, but she changed her plea
to
> "no contest," which led to a conviction for failure to yield in a
bike
> lane (ORS 811.050) and improper right hand turn (ORS 811.355). Those
> convictions will go on her driving record, and, I hope she'll think
> twice before she darts across a bike lane without looking again.
>
> I was there with BTA head honcho Evan, and bike community members
Ken
> and Meghan (as well as Sean's mom), to lend moral support and
> demonstrate that the bike community is watching these cases. I
> couldn't be happier for Sean that he was able to see justice done,
and
> make sure that cyclists are given their rightful protection under
law.
>
> We'll continue to work on this idea with Ray and others. With two
wins
> out of two cases, it's clear that citizen-initiated enforcement is
an
> idea whose time has come.
>
>
> _______________________
>
> I just wanted to let you all know that Sean's citizen-initiated
traffic
> case this morning resulted in two convictions against the driver.
More
> here:
>
> http://www.bta4bikes.org/btablog/2006/04/13/a-cyclists-day-in-court/
>
> Also, did you see today's article in the Mercury on the same topic?
>
>
http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?oid=38057&category=221
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---- Original Message 10 ----
From: darellp@easystreet.com
To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700

I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
weeks in
St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the west
side of
Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue Chateaubriand along
the Seine
river. At least then the traffic wasn't that bad on weekends, and I
even
hooked up with a local team while riding out there. St Germain
en-Laye is an
up-scale area with little crime or problems. With all the crazy riots
over
there right now, I would be very careful about which suburbs you
choose to
ride in. It's generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most
'burbs
are where the low income people are, and the inner city is more
well-to-do.
I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye
and
along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.

Bonne Chance,

Darell Provencher

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Ken Benderly
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?

I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible
to
train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
Or
should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?

Merci bien,

Ken
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wleeper

2006-04-13

I have asked nicely to be removed from this list. I now intend to
forward any mail recieved back to the list until I am removed. Thank
you.

---- Original Message 1 ----
From: darellp@easystreet.com
To: benderly3@comcast.net, obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:16:24 -0700

I was in France for 6 wks on business in 1992. I stayed a couple of
weeks in
St Germain en-Laye, and would ride my bike and train along the west
side of
Paris by riding out towards Meulan on L'Avenue Chateaubriand along
the Seine
river. At least then the traffic wasn't that bad on weekends, and I
even
hooked up with a local team while riding out there. St Germain
en-Laye is an
up-scale area with little crime or problems. With all the crazy riots
over
there right now, I would be very careful about which suburbs you
choose to
ride in. It's generally the reverse in France than in the US -- most
'burbs
are where the low income people are, and the inner city is more
well-to-do.
I think if you stayed to the west near Versailles/St Germain en Laye
and
along the north side of the Seine, you could find some good rides.

Bonne Chance,

Darell Provencher

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Ken Benderly
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:48 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] training in Paris?

I'm going to Paris for vacation for the month of May. Is it possible
to
train in Paris without getting killed? Are there worthwhile routes?
Or
should I just go to the gym and ride an excercycle?

Merci bien,

Ken
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2003-04-13

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2002-01-18



----- Original Message -----

From: Ellener Peavyhouse <ult-@earthlink.net>

To: <eric.k-@kingdesign.com>

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:39 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat]





 For gloves why don't you try Pearl Izumi's new (last year) amfib

waterproof

 gloves? They are expensive but beat anything on the market for cold

weather

 (I ride down to 25 degrees down here in MEdford) and keep your hands

absolutely bone dry (aside from sweat). For my feet, I wear the amfib

booties with a set of "waterproof" socks from PerformanceBike. No need

for

 all that excess stuff weighing my feet down! And my feet never get cold

and

 wet. I might mention that this works for the 75-125 mile rides, I am

currently doing. So I am out there for 5-8 hours at a time with comfy cozy

feet and hands. Ellener

 ----- Original Message -----

From: <eric.k-@kingdesign.com>

To: 'Obra (E-mail) <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 7:37 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat]





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I noticed that there are rarely any e-mails addressing racing or training

tips. Aren't there a wheel barrow load full of good racers out there who

would like to share their secrets?



Training in the rain demands a whole set of skills; proper clothing and

it's

 advanced layering techniques, fenders with flaps, eye wear concepts, and

glove theory. Let's start off easy. If it looks like it might rain I bring

all 3 pairs of my long fingered gloves with me. I have thin wind stopper

ones, neoprene ones and thinsulate look-like-snowboarding gloves. I don't

know about you but I have a hard time keeping the hands warm on a 3.5 hour

ride in the pouring rain. who has tips?



what about booties? I wear cycling socks, snowboarding socks, shoes, wool

socks as covers over my shoes (thnx D.S.), and then neoprene shoe covers.

my

 feet stay warm for almost ever ride except longer rides in constant rain.

anyone got any "warm feet all the time" tips? zippers or velcro..huh??



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mmur-@teleport.com

2001-08-12





Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: Steven Hopkins [mailto:stevenh-@icqmail.com]

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 20:04 PM

To: mmur-@teleport.com

Subject:





Mike I tried to post to OBRA chat with problems could you pass it on to

chat.

Steven Hopkins



This is the father of Daniel and Chris, Hey look at all the results from

Florida.

?http://www.veloresults.com/results_jrtrack.html? Way to go Guys! The last

phone call from Florida puts Daniel tied for first place and in contention

for the Gold Omnium ?10 points? one race to qual, then the jersey as Daniel

put it. Knock?em dead Kid.

Dad.



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