self-supported race?

Mike Murray

2007-08-10

The simple answer is; yes, a permit is required. There are several reasons
for this; liability, Oregon statues and regulations, public perception, etc.
You are probably OK with you and your have dozen buddies sprinting for a
city limit sign assuming no one pulls out and obstructs traffic or does
something else stupid. When you start getting a larger number of people
together, keeping times, awarding places, etc. you are on much shakier
ground. Unofficial races only cause problems for legitimate bike races.

The other side of this issue is that there are few places where doing a bike
race legitimately is easier than it is here in Oregon. If you are going to
do something, it is worthwhile to do it right.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Sather
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 14:44 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] self-supported race?

Would you really need a road permit for a self-supported race: no officials,
no entry fee, no aid station, . . .no permit? After all, we do our club
rides and sprint rides all the time without permits. What is the difference
if we simply added in some formal results by monitoring our own finish
position and maybe even timing ourselves?

I know it could be potentially dangerous and there are liability concerns,
but let's hypothetically assume that all traffic laws are obeyed during this
"race." I'm guessing there are probably some Oregon laws about racing
vehicles on roadways, so maybe someone with a better knowledge of this can
explain. However, in most cases racing a bicycle doesn't involve exceeding
the speed limit, so somehow an officer would have to determine that racing
is occurring instead of merely one cyclist passing another legally (on the
left?).

It appears that Jeff was successful with his triathlon. Nice story. Can a
similar event happen in bicycle racing? I would call it a pseudo-official
race--not supported by OBRA, of course.


gschreckchat@comcast.net

2007-08-09

It would be a good way to get some laws passed thta you owuld not like. In Texas, the City of Austin decided to require permits for any rides where more than ten people attended. If passed, it would put a real crimp in club rides. Remember, as soon as the public senses some abuse, someone will rush in to stop it. As cylists, we are not particularly favored by the public, so it would be easy to motovate someone to pass some restrictions.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Brian Sather"

Would you really need a road permit for a self-supported race: no officials, no entry fee, no aid station, . . .no permit? After all, we do our club rides and sprint rides all the time without permits. What is the difference if we simply added in some formal results by monitoring our own finish position and maybe even timing ourselves?

I know it could be potentially dangerous and there are liability concerns, but let's hypothetically assume that all traffic laws are obeyed during this "race." I'm guessing there are probably some Oregon laws about racing vehicles on roadways, so maybe someone with a better knowledge of this can explain. However, in most cases racing a bicycle doesn't involve exceeding the speed limit, so somehow an officer would have to determine that racing is occurring instead of merely one cyclist passing another legally (on the left?).

It appears that Jeff was successful with his triathlon. Nice story. Can a similar event happen in bicycle racing? I would call it a pseudo-official race--not supported by OBRA, of course.


Richard Sweet

2007-08-09

These happen all over, here is a good website for information.

http://www.greatdividerace.com/ (follow some of the links)

or check out http://forums.mtbr.com/forumdisplay.php?f=63 for other events.

We had one that was going to happen out of Oakridge in a couple weeks but it has not materialized this year. Maybe next year.

Time to Ride,
Richard


Erik Long

2007-08-09

Umm, Yeah. Let's not run our mouths too much about all the illegal bike
racing that happens every year. This is not something we want to draw
unwanted attention to.

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Leibowitz, Flo"
To:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] self-supported race?
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:44:16 -0700

They have alleycat races all over the US and they don't have any permits. I
doubt they obey traffic rules, though. Doubtless why some of them are run
after dark.

Ah youth !

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org on behalf of Brian Sather
Sent: Thu 8/9/2007 2:43 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] self-supported race?

Would you really need a road permit for a self-supported race: no officials,
no entry fee, no aid station, . . .no permit? After all, we do our club
rides and sprint rides all the time without permits. What is the difference
if we simply added in some formal results by monitoring our own finish
position and maybe even timing ourselves?

I know it could be potentially dangerous and there are liability concerns,
but let's hypothetically assume that all traffic laws are obeyed during this
"race." I'm guessing there are probably some Oregon laws about racing
vehicles on roadways, so maybe someone with a better knowledge of this can
explain. However, in most cases racing a bicycle doesn't involve exceeding
the speed limit, so somehow an officer would have to determine that racing
is occurring instead of merely one cyclist passing another legally (on the
left?).

It appears that Jeff was successful with his triathlon. Nice story. Can a
similar event happen in bicycle racing? I would call it a pseudo-official
race--not supported by OBRA, of course.

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Leibowitz, Flo

2007-08-09

They have alleycat races all over the US and they don't have any permits. I doubt they obey traffic rules, though. Doubtless why some of them are run after dark.

Ah youth !

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org on behalf of Brian Sather
Sent: Thu 8/9/2007 2:43 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] self-supported race?

Would you really need a road permit for a self-supported race: no officials, no entry fee, no aid station, . . .no permit? After all, we do our club rides and sprint rides all the time without permits. What is the difference if we simply added in some formal results by monitoring our own finish position and maybe even timing ourselves?

I know it could be potentially dangerous and there are liability concerns, but let's hypothetically assume that all traffic laws are obeyed during this "race." I'm guessing there are probably some Oregon laws about racing vehicles on roadways, so maybe someone with a better knowledge of this can explain. However, in most cases racing a bicycle doesn't involve exceeding the speed limit, so somehow an officer would have to determine that racing is occurring instead of merely one cyclist passing another legally (on the left?).

It appears that Jeff was successful with his triathlon. Nice story. Can a similar event happen in bicycle racing? I would call it a pseudo-official race--not supported by OBRA, of course.


Brian Sather

2007-08-09

Would you really need a road permit for a self-supported race: no officials,
no entry fee, no aid station, . . .no permit? After all, we do our club
rides and sprint rides all the time without permits. What is the difference
if we simply added in some formal results by monitoring our own finish
position and maybe even timing ourselves?

I know it could be potentially dangerous and there are liability concerns,
but let's hypothetically assume that all traffic laws are obeyed during this
"race." I'm guessing there are probably some Oregon laws about racing
vehicles on roadways, so maybe someone with a better knowledge of this can
explain. However, in most cases racing a bicycle doesn't involve exceeding
the speed limit, so somehow an officer would have to determine that racing
is occurring instead of merely one cyclist passing another legally (on the
left?).

It appears that Jeff was successful with his triathlon. Nice story. Can a
similar event happen in bicycle racing? I would call it a pseudo-official
race--not supported by OBRA, of course.


Jeff Henderson

2007-08-08

I tried it before, sort of:

http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/features/henderson/common.html

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Rick Johnson

2007-08-08

Cannonball!

Mike Murray wrote:

>My thought would be good luck getting a road use permit for that.
>
>Mike Murray
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>what's everyone's thought on a self-supported race. no entry fee, no aid
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Mike Murray

2007-08-08

My thought would be good luck getting a road use permit for that.

Mike Murray

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] self-supported race?

what's everyone's thought on a self-supported race. no entry fee, no aid
stations, no t-shirt, nothing but a challenging ride and a good time with
alot of other bikers. i'm thinking like a 100k somewhere around mt. hood.
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Karsten Hagen

2007-08-07

We already do that. Saturdays, 8am at Discover Bicycles, Downtown Hood River. Come on out! Very fast and potentially demoralizing if you don't like to climb.


Karsten

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dacrizzow

2007-08-07

what's everyone's thought on a self-supported race. no entry fee, no aid stations, no t-shirt, nothing but a challenging ride and a good time with alot of other bikers. i'm thinking like a 100k somewhere around mt. hood.