david baker
yeah, if i was getting e-mails for viagra and penis enlargement from being
on obra that might be a little iritating.
but to complain about getting a few direct e-mails from bicycle related
stuff is silly.
take that energy and work towards saving the environment, or some social
cause.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Murray"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mark your calendars: Sat 9/15-Kruger'sKermesse
FarmCrit (on Sauvie Island)
> The solution to this problem is to not put your e-mail address on the OBRA
> membership application. That way you won't ever get anything generated
> from
> that database. You can still stay on the OBRA list serves. There have
> been
> previous mass e-mails sent to the OBRA database, although infrequently
> since
> it is a bit of a PITA to send to nearly 3,000 different addresses without
> using a service. I suspect it was the service aspect, i.e. use of
> Constant
> Contact and the HTML mail format, that made Kris' message more notable.
> For
> what it is worth, I have looked at using Constant Contact to do some large
> e-mailings myself. I decided not to use them but my impression was that
> they were legitimate and not one of the "buy 100,000 e-mails" type of
> organizations. As an aside, I am getting around 100 spam messages a day
> too. Unfortunately this stuff has turned into a fact of life. I could
> try
> and keep my e-mail address very secret to avoid the spma but then no one
> would be able to contact be by e-mail. Personally I choose to use spam
> filters and the delete button. Occasionally this catches a message
> inappropriately but if I had a secret address then I would be getting that
> e-mail anyhow. YMMV
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Doug Sears
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 13:44 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mark your calendars: Sat 9/15-Kruger'sKermesse
> Farm
> Crit (on Sauvie Island)
>
>
> Oh, so OBRA doesn't sell the addresses, it gives them away. Either way,
> that's a problem to me. I want race organizers to be able to contact me
> via
> announcements on the OBRA Race or OBRA Chat lists, or because I register
> for their race, not on their own. There are two problems: 1. These wildcat
> e-mails from promoters don't come with the [OBRA Chat] tag in the subject
> line, so my mail reader doesn't route them to a separate folder, and 2.
> I'm
> worried about spam. I currently get about 80 spams a day, and I'm going to
> switch to a new address so as to leave the spam behind. I don't trust that
> everyone out of a large number of race organizers are going to keep my
> address private. For example, my address is now in the hands of something
> called Constant Contact as a result of Kris Schamp's adding me to his list
> without my permission. Is Constant Contact ethical? How would I know?
>
> Individual e-mails to everybody in OBRA has never been the way that races
> are announced, and I don't see any reason it should start to be now.
>
> --Doug Sears
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Murray"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mark your calendars: Sat 9/15 -Kruger'sKermesse
> Farm Crit (on Sauvie Island)
>
>
> Steven Beardsley wrote:
> "I don't think OBRA needs money bad enough to sell our e-mail addresses."
>
> It is not so much of an issue of OBRA needing money or not. OBRA is not a
> huge money making proposition and could certainly use more money. We do
> not, however, sell e-mail addresses. This would be a dumb place to look
> for
> money as e-mail addresses do not sell for much money. OBRA does provide
> e-mail addresses to race organizers. There is no charge for this. One
> would assume that people that join a bike racing organization would also
> want the people that are part of that organization to be able to contact
> them by e-mail. That would include those who put on bike races. If people
> do not want this then they need to not include their contact information
> on
> the application. This would also mean, of course, that they should not
> complain when they are not contacted.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
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