Jon Ragsdale
Be easier to get pigs to fly than me to write legibly I think.......
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Salvatore Collura
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:25 PM
To: mike.murray@obra.org; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] RE OBRA email addresses
The downside to not giving us your email address, is that if I have to get a
hold of you or send you something, then we play phone tag forever. When I
am working on the database, it is MUCH easier if I have a quick way to
contact people.
Sal Collura
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
ps- or, y'all could just write legibly, then I would never have to talk to
you . . . .
>From: "Mike Murray"
>Reply-To: mike.murray@obra.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mark your calendars: Sat
>9/15-Kruger'sKermesse FarmCrit (on Sauvie Island)
>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:08:13 -0700
>
>The solution to this problem is to not put your e-mail address on the OBRA
>membership application. That way you won't ever get anything generated
>from
>that database. You can still stay on the OBRA list serves. There have
>been
>previous mass e-mails sent to the OBRA database, although infrequently
>since
>it is a bit of a PITA to send to nearly 3,000 different addresses without
>using a service. I suspect it was the service aspect, i.e. use of Constant
>Contact and the HTML mail format, that made Kris' message more notable.
>For
>what it is worth, I have looked at using Constant Contact to do some large
>e-mailings myself. I decided not to use them but my impression was that
>they were legitimate and not one of the "buy 100,000 e-mails" type of
>organizations. As an aside, I am getting around 100 spam messages a day
>too. Unfortunately this stuff has turned into a fact of life. I could try
>and keep my e-mail address very secret to avoid the spma but then no one
>would be able to contact be by e-mail. Personally I choose to use spam
>filters and the delete button. Occasionally this catches a message
>inappropriately but if I had a secret address then I would be getting that
>e-mail anyhow. YMMV
>
>Mike Murray
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of Doug Sears
>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 13:44 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mark your calendars: Sat 9/15-Kruger'sKermesse
>Farm
>Crit (on Sauvie Island)
>
>
>Oh, so OBRA doesn't sell the addresses, it gives them away. Either way,
>that's a problem to me. I want race organizers to be able to contact me via
>announcements on the OBRA Race or OBRA Chat lists, or because I register
>for their race, not on their own. There are two problems: 1. These wildcat
>e-mails from promoters don't come with the [OBRA Chat] tag in the subject
>line, so my mail reader doesn't route them to a separate folder, and 2. I'm
>worried about spam. I currently get about 80 spams a day, and I'm going to
>switch to a new address so as to leave the spam behind. I don't trust that
>everyone out of a large number of race organizers are going to keep my
>address private. For example, my address is now in the hands of something
>called Constant Contact as a result of Kris Schamp's adding me to his list
>without my permission. Is Constant Contact ethical? How would I know?
>
>Individual e-mails to everybody in OBRA has never been the way that races
>are announced, and I don't see any reason it should start to be now.
>
> --Doug Sears
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Murray"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:43 AM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mark your calendars: Sat 9/15 -Kruger'sKermesse
>Farm Crit (on Sauvie Island)
>
>
>Steven Beardsley wrote:
>"I don't think OBRA needs money bad enough to sell our e-mail addresses."
>
>It is not so much of an issue of OBRA needing money or not. OBRA is not a
>huge money making proposition and could certainly use more money. We do
>not, however, sell e-mail addresses. This would be a dumb place to look for
>money as e-mail addresses do not sell for much money. OBRA does provide
>e-mail addresses to race organizers. There is no charge for this. One
>would assume that people that join a bike racing organization would also
>want the people that are part of that organization to be able to contact
>them by e-mail. That would include those who put on bike races. If people
>do not want this then they need to not include their contact information on
>the application. This would also mean, of course, that they should not
>complain when they are not contacted.
>
>Mike Murray
>
>
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