Jim Murez

It may not be appropriate for the dismissed or the dismissor to make public comments about the action but it would also be expected, professionally and as a courtesy, to make the same type of announcement for Sal that was given the hiring of his successor. And to say in a post that it is inappropriate to list "someone's inability to perform a
task, their neglecting of responsibilities and/or inappropriate
decision-making" implies that he WAS unable to perform a task, neglected responsibilities and made inappropriate decisions, especially in the absence of any better information, which is clearly not forthcoming. I've known Sal for 30 years, since third grade. We started racing together as juniors back in New Jersey. He loves bike racing and loves OBRA. I can't imagine anything he would do that were deserve his being fired. I know the time he put in for OBRA and it is disappointing to see him treated this way, after all that he has done. It surely could have been handled better, and that would have headed off this situation.
- Jim

My personal opinion: It is
not appropriate for the dismissed or the dismissor to make public
comments about a dismissal. Considering confidentiality and/or legal
issues we should not expect a public comment by our leaders regarding
their paid staff. We can be curious and even saddened at Sal's apparent
'frustration' with the situation, but it is between he and the decision
makers.

Let's also keep in mind that Amber is giving her 'personal' opinion,
not 'professional' opinion and she just happens to be a Murray. She is
not a decision maker. I trust the Murray's decisions and know they have
the OBRA organization's best interest at heart.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: "Gary Malcolm"

Amber,

I was expecting a public announcement of the change in OBRA
leadership by a Murray in a manner befitting the level headed
leadership and grace that befit 'large' organizations, not a snide and
petty kick at a man I know and respect.

Sal was obviously hurt and upset when he sent out his curt missive.
You have had plenty of time to compose yourself before making public
statements that certainly demean yourself and our organization.

Bad form,

Gary Malcolm

---- Original Message ----

From: "Amber Murray"

Date: 9/22/07 5:16 am

To: "obra@list.obra.org"

Subj: [OBRA Chat] personal opinion

I have worked for a few large organizations, well known
organizations. I am by no means an expert or seasoned professional.
However, posting on a blog or website, someone's inability to perform a
task, their neglecting of responsibilities and/or inappropriate
decision-making is not the right thing to do.

Lack of response to a "demand for answers" is by no means a green light for rumors, that would be childish.

This is my own meek opinion.

Amber

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Although this has been a tough situation for all involved lets keep in mind
the sheer enormity of the task involed. Hard shoes to fill is an extreme
understatement a further tribute to the dedication and hard work the Murrays
have put forth over the years. Many thanks to Sal for all his efforts and
that he not feel slighted for taking on a nearly impossible task at such a
transition time. I can only imagine the scenario had Candi and Mike fully
retired last year. To move forward let us all keep in mind whatever we can
do to asisst the OBRA family is what will make Kenji's ( by the way
congrats) efforts work a little smoother. WE are OBRA lets not forget that
and before we find fault lets ask ourselves what did we do to make it
better. OK I ran over my 2 cents worth but with inflation it takes a nickel
anyway.

>From: mellierat@comcast.net
>To: "Gary Malcolm" ,"Amber Murray"
>,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] personal opinion
>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:09:02 +0000
>
>My personal opinion: It is not appropriate for the dismissed or the
>dismissor to make public comments about a dismissal. Considering
>confidentiality and/or legal issues we should not expect a public comment
>by our leaders regarding their paid staff. We can be curious and even
>saddened at Sal's apparent 'frustration' with the situation, but it is
>between he and the decision makers.
>
>Let's also keep in mind that Amber is giving her 'personal' opinion, not
>'professional' opinion and she just happens to be a Murray. She is not a
>decision maker. I trust the Murray's decisions and know they have the OBRA
>organization's best interest at heart.
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Gary Malcolm"
>
>
>Amber,
>
>I was expecting a public announcement of the change in OBRA leadership by a
>Murray in a manner befitting the level headed leadership and grace that
>befit 'large' organizations, not a snide and petty kick at a man I know and
>respect.
>
>Sal was obviously hurt and upset when he sent out his curt missive. You
>have had plenty of time to compose yourself before making public statements
>that certainly demean yourself and our organization.
>
>Bad form,
>
>
>Gary Malcolm
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: "Amber Murray"
>Date: 9/22/07 5:16 am
>To: "obra@list.obra.org"
>Subj: [OBRA Chat] personal opinion
>
>
>I have worked for a few large organizations, well known organizations. I
>am by no means an expert or seasoned professional. However, posting on a
>blog or website, someone's inability to perform a task, their neglecting of
>responsibilities and/or inappropriate decision-making is not the right
>thing to do.
>
>Lack of response to a "demand for answers" is by no means a green light for
>rumors, that would be childish.
>
>This is my own meek opinion.
>
>Amber
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>From: "Gary Malcolm"
>To: "Amber Murray" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] personal opinion
>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:50:53 +0000
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My personal opinion: It is not appropriate for the dismissed or the dismissor to make public comments about a dismissal. Considering confidentiality and/or legal issues we should not expect a public comment by our leaders regarding their paid staff. We can be curious and even saddened at Sal's apparent 'frustration' with the situation, but it is between he and the decision makers.

Let's also keep in mind that Amber is giving her 'personal' opinion, not 'professional' opinion and she just happens to be a Murray. She is not a decision maker. I trust the Murray's decisions and know they have the OBRA organization's best interest at heart.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Malcolm"

Amber,

I was expecting a public announcement of the change in OBRA leadership by a Murray in a manner befitting the level headed leadership and grace that befit 'large' organizations, not a snide and petty kick at a man I know and respect.

Sal was obviously hurt and upset when he sent out his curt missive. You have had plenty of time to compose yourself before making public statements that certainly demean yourself and our organization.

Bad form,

Gary Malcolm

---- Original Message ----
From: "Amber Murray"
Date: 9/22/07 5:16 am
To: "obra@list.obra.org"
Subj: [OBRA Chat] personal opinion

I have worked for a few large organizations, well known organizations. I am by no means an expert or seasoned professional. However, posting on a blog or website, someone's inability to perform a task, their neglecting of responsibilities and/or inappropriate decision-making is not the right thing to do.

Lack of response to a "demand for answers" is by no means a green light for rumors, that would be childish.

This is my own meek opinion.

Amber
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-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Gary Malcolm"
>
> Amber,
>
> I was expecting a public announcement of the change in OBRA leadership by a
> Murray in a manner befitting the level headed leadership and grace that befit
> 'large' organizations, not a snide and petty kick at a man I know and respect.
>
> Sal was obviously hurt and upset when he sent out his curt missive. You have had
> plenty of time to compose yourself before making public statements that
> certainly demean yourself and our organization.
>
> Bad form,
>
>
> Gary Malcolm
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: "Amber Murray"
> Date: 9/22/07 5:16 am
> To: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Subj: [OBRA Chat] personal opinion
>
>
> I have worked for a few large organizations, well known organizations. I am by
> no means an expert or seasoned professional. However, posting on a blog or
> website, someone's inability to perform a task, their neglecting of
> responsibilities and/or inappropriate decision-making is not the right thing to
> do.
>
> Lack of response to a "demand for answers" is by no means a green light for
> rumors, that would be childish.
>
> This is my own meek opinion.
>
> Amber
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Gary Malcolm

Amber,

I was expecting a public announcement of the change in OBRA leadership by a Murray in a manner befitting the level headed leadership and grace that befit 'large' organizations, not a snide and petty kick at a man I know and respect.

Sal was obviously hurt and upset when he sent out his curt missive. You have had plenty of time to compose yourself before making public statements that certainly demean yourself and our organization.

Bad form,

Gary Malcolm

---- Original Message ----
From: "Amber Murray"
Date: 9/22/07 5:16 am
To: "obra@list.obra.org"
Subj: [OBRA Chat] personal opinion

I have worked for a few large organizations, well known organizations. I am by no means an expert or seasoned professional. However, posting on a blog or website, someone's inability to perform a task, their neglecting of responsibilities and/or inappropriate decision-making is not the right thing to do.

Lack of response to a "demand for answers" is by no means a green light for rumors, that would be childish.

This is my own meek opinion.

Amber
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David Auker

Amber,

Good thoughts! However, wonderment and rumor are only natural when
curiosity demands answers. An OBRA press release is needed to
communicate this rumored change in organization. Governing bodies
elected by the people generally are responsible to the people. (Cheney
in charge now?)

David
==
Amber Murray wrote:
> I have worked for a few large organizations, well known organizations. I am by no means an expert or seasoned professional. However, posting on a blog or website, someone's inability to perform a task, their neglecting of responsibilities and/or inappropriate decision-making is not the right thing to do.
>
> Lack of response to a "demand for answers" is by no means a green light for rumors, that would be childish.
>
> This is my own meek opinion.
>
> Amber
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>
>

Amber Murray

I have worked for a few large organizations, well known organizations. I am by no means an expert or seasoned professional. However, posting on a blog or website, someone's inability to perform a task, their neglecting of responsibilities and/or inappropriate decision-making is not the right thing to do.

Lack of response to a "demand for answers" is by no means a green light for rumors, that would be childish.

This is my own meek opinion.

Amber