Moving Forward

Gordie Cumming

2007-09-24

Mark,

Well said. OBRA members elect the board to run OBRA. If you don't like the decisions the current board made, as Mark states, run
for the board and try to make different decisions. Just be ready for the minions to climb all over you when you make a decision
they don't like. Running a organization the size of OBRA and with the responsibility of OBRA is not a popularity contest. It
requires making decisions, some will be very well received, some viewed as unpopular. I applaud the current board for making what
I'm sure many knew would be and unpopular decision. They also thought it was in OBRA's overall best interest.

Gordie

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:10 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Moving Forward

rules are on the obra website, everyone should read them.
http://www.obra.org/links.html

also folks who want to run obra can run for the board, but then again, without knowing what happened, look at all the strong
opinions folks have about our board and the time they put in for free.

here's a quick quiz: Name the board, heck, name how many people are supposed the be on the board.

folks, run for a board, and run a group the way you want.

mark ginsberg

Seth May wrote:

In Oregon, only governmental organizations are required to follow the
public meeting rules. As a non-profit, OBRA isn't required to hold open
meetings or make public meeting minutes. Of course, organizations
internal rules govern how that those kinds of things will be handled,
but I don't know where that info would be found.

Seth

Ron Frerichs wrote:
> Thanks Curt, I was wondering how OBRA was structured. Does that also
> mean that the Board is required to make minutes of all meetings
> available to the public?
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:40:28 -0700
> > From: curt.dewees@gmail.com
> > To: neilgreen25@hotmail.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Moving Forward
> >
> > It may be helpful to keep in mind that OBRA is a 501 (c) 3 nonprofit
> > organization, and, as such, it must operate under the direction and
> > guidance of a full Board of Directors.
> >
> > Mike and Candi Murray may be current member of the OBRA Board of
> > Directors (I don't happen to know.); nevertheless, any decision to
> > hire and/or fire an OBRA Executive Director would be the decision of a
> > legal quorum of the full Board of Directors and not just at the whim
> > of one or two individuals.
> >
> >
> > CD
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/22/07, Neil Green wrote:
> > > Respect Mike and Candi's decision and move forward. They seem to
> know what their doing. If you think you can do a better job, send them
> a resume.
> > >
> > > Neil
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Cheryl Willson

2007-09-23

The rules and admin rules are also on the forms page here:
http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html

I will add a link to the admin rules from the links page, as well.
Thanks for noticing the omission, Seth.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Seth May
> Date: September 23, 2007 9:21:38 PM PDT
> To: markjginsberg@yahoo.com
> Cc: OBRA
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Moving Forward
>
> Well, it's true that the rules for racing are posted there, but the
> bylaws and administrative rules are not. A quick google search (board
> site:obra.org) brought up the OBRA administrative rules
> (http://www.obra.org/word_docs/2007adminrules.doc). I can't find any
> link to this document elsewhere on the site, although I know I've read
> it before. It's very informative in understanding how OBRA is
> structured
> and functions.
>
> Seth
>
>
> Mark J. Ginsberg wrote:
>> rules are on the obra website, everyone should read them.
>> http://www.obra.org/links.html
>>
>> also folks who want to run obra can run for the board, but then
>> again,
>> without knowing what happened, look at all the strong opinions folks
>> have about our board and the time they put in for free.
>>
>> here's a quick quiz: Name the board, heck, name how many people are
>> supposed the be on the board.
>>
>> folks, run for a board, and run a group the way you want.
>>
>> mark ginsberg
>>
>> */Seth May /* wrote:
>>
>> In Oregon, only governmental organizations are required to
>> follow the
>> public meeting rules. As a non-profit, OBRA isn't required to
>> hold
>> open
>> meetings or make public meeting minutes. Of course, organizations
>> internal rules govern how that those kinds of things will be
>> handled,
>> but I don't know where that info would be found.
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> Ron Frerichs wrote:
>>> Thanks Curt, I was wondering how OBRA was structured. Does that
>> also
>>> mean that the Board is required to make minutes of all meetings
>>> available to the public?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:40:28 -0700
>>>> From: curt.dewees@gmail.com
>>>> To: neilgreen25@hotmail.com
>>>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Moving Forward
>>>>
>>>> It may be helpful to keep in mind that OBRA is a 501 (c) 3
>> nonprofit
>>>> organization, and, as such, it must operate under the
>> direction and
>>>> guidance of a full Board of Directors.
>>>>
>>>> Mike and Candi Murray may be current member of the OBRA Board of
>>>> Directors (I don't happen to know.); nevertheless, any decision to
>>>> hire and/or fire an OBRA Executive Director would be the
>> decision of a
>>>> legal quorum of the full Board of Directors and not just at
>> the whim
>>>> of one or two individuals.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/22/07, Neil Green wrote:
>>>>> Respect Mike and Candi's decision and move forward. They
>> seem to
>>> know what their doing. If you think you can do a better job,
>> send them
>>> a resume.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> OBRA mailing list
>>>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Seth May

2007-09-23

Well, it's true that the rules for racing are posted there, but the
bylaws and administrative rules are not. A quick google search (board
site:obra.org) brought up the OBRA administrative rules
(http://www.obra.org/word_docs/2007adminrules.doc). I can't find any
link to this document elsewhere on the site, although I know I've read
it before. It's very informative in understanding how OBRA is structured
and functions.

Seth

Mark J. Ginsberg wrote:
> rules are on the obra website, everyone should read them.
> http://www.obra.org/links.html
>
> also folks who want to run obra can run for the board, but then again,
> without knowing what happened, look at all the strong opinions folks
> have about our board and the time they put in for free.
>
> here's a quick quiz: Name the board, heck, name how many people are
> supposed the be on the board.
>
> folks, run for a board, and run a group the way you want.
>
> mark ginsberg
>
> */Seth May /* wrote:
>
> In Oregon, only governmental organizations are required to follow the
> public meeting rules. As a non-profit, OBRA isn't required to hold
> open
> meetings or make public meeting minutes. Of course, organizations
> internal rules govern how that those kinds of things will be handled,
> but I don't know where that info would be found.
>
> Seth
>
> Ron Frerichs wrote:
> > Thanks Curt, I was wondering how OBRA was structured. Does that
> also
> > mean that the Board is required to make minutes of all meetings
> > available to the public?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:40:28 -0700
> > > From: curt.dewees@gmail.com
> > > To: neilgreen25@hotmail.com
> > > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Moving Forward
> > >
> > > It may be helpful to keep in mind that OBRA is a 501 (c) 3
> nonprofit
> > > organization, and, as such, it must operate under the
> direction and
> > > guidance of a full Board of Directors.
> > >
> > > Mike and Candi Murray may be current member of the OBRA Board of
> > > Directors (I don't happen to know.); nevertheless, any decision to
> > > hire and/or fire an OBRA Executive Director would be the
> decision of a
> > > legal quorum of the full Board of Directors and not just at
> the whim
> > > of one or two individuals.
> > >
> > >
> > > CD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/22/07, Neil Green wrote:
> > > > Respect Mike and Candi's decision and move forward. They
> seem to
> > know what their doing. If you think you can do a better job,
> send them
> > a resume.
> > > >
> > > > Neil
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > OBRA mailing list
> > > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OBRA mailing list
> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
> >
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Mark J. Ginsberg

2007-09-23

rules are on the obra website, everyone should read them.
http://www.obra.org/links.html

also folks who want to run obra can run for the board, but then again, without knowing what happened, look at all the strong opinions folks have about our board and the time they put in for free.

here's a quick quiz: Name the board, heck, name how many people are supposed the be on the board.

folks, run for a board, and run a group the way you want.

mark ginsberg

Seth May wrote: In Oregon, only governmental organizations are required to follow the
public meeting rules. As a non-profit, OBRA isn't required to hold open
meetings or make public meeting minutes. Of course, organizations
internal rules govern how that those kinds of things will be handled,
but I don't know where that info would be found.

Seth

Ron Frerichs wrote:
> Thanks Curt, I was wondering how OBRA was structured. Does that also
> mean that the Board is required to make minutes of all meetings
> available to the public?
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:40:28 -0700
> > From: curt.dewees@gmail.com
> > To: neilgreen25@hotmail.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Moving Forward
> >
> > It may be helpful to keep in mind that OBRA is a 501 (c) 3 nonprofit
> > organization, and, as such, it must operate under the direction and
> > guidance of a full Board of Directors.
> >
> > Mike and Candi Murray may be current member of the OBRA Board of
> > Directors (I don't happen to know.); nevertheless, any decision to
> > hire and/or fire an OBRA Executive Director would be the decision of a
> > legal quorum of the full Board of Directors and not just at the whim
> > of one or two individuals.
> >
> >
> > CD
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/22/07, Neil Green wrote:
> > > Respect Mike and Candi's decision and move forward. They seem to
> know what their doing. If you think you can do a better job, send them
> a resume.
> > >
> > > Neil
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OBRA mailing list
> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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Seth May

2007-09-23

In Oregon, only governmental organizations are required to follow the
public meeting rules. As a non-profit, OBRA isn't required to hold open
meetings or make public meeting minutes. Of course, organizations
internal rules govern how that those kinds of things will be handled,
but I don't know where that info would be found.

Seth

Ron Frerichs wrote:
> Thanks Curt, I was wondering how OBRA was structured. Does that also
> mean that the Board is required to make minutes of all meetings
> available to the public?
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:40:28 -0700
> > From: curt.dewees@gmail.com
> > To: neilgreen25@hotmail.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Moving Forward
> >
> > It may be helpful to keep in mind that OBRA is a 501 (c) 3 nonprofit
> > organization, and, as such, it must operate under the direction and
> > guidance of a full Board of Directors.
> >
> > Mike and Candi Murray may be current member of the OBRA Board of
> > Directors (I don't happen to know.); nevertheless, any decision to
> > hire and/or fire an OBRA Executive Director would be the decision of a
> > legal quorum of the full Board of Directors and not just at the whim
> > of one or two individuals.
> >
> >
> > CD
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/22/07, Neil Green wrote:
> > > Respect Mike and Candi's decision and move forward. They seem to
> know what their doing. If you think you can do a better job, send them
> a resume.
> > >
> > > Neil
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OBRA mailing list
> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
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> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
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Ron Frerichs

2007-09-23

Thanks Curt, I was wondering how OBRA was structured. Does that also mean that the Board is required to make minutes of all meetings available to the public?

> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:40:28 -0700> From: curt.dewees@gmail.com> To: neilgreen25@hotmail.com> CC: obra@list.obra.org> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Moving Forward> > It may be helpful to keep in mind that OBRA is a 501 (c) 3 nonprofit> organization, and, as such, it must operate under the direction and> guidance of a full Board of Directors.> > Mike and Candi Murray may be current member of the OBRA Board of> Directors (I don't happen to know.); nevertheless, any decision to> hire and/or fire an OBRA Executive Director would be the decision of a> legal quorum of the full Board of Directors and not just at the whim> of one or two individuals.> > > CD> > > > On 9/22/07, Neil Green wrote:> > Respect Mike and Candi's decision and move forward. They seem to know what their doing. If you think you can do a better job, send them a resume.> >> > Neil> > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >> _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Curt Dewees

2007-09-23

It may be helpful to keep in mind that OBRA is a 501 (c) 3 nonprofit
organization, and, as such, it must operate under the direction and
guidance of a full Board of Directors.

Mike and Candi Murray may be current member of the OBRA Board of
Directors (I don't happen to know.); nevertheless, any decision to
hire and/or fire an OBRA Executive Director would be the decision of a
legal quorum of the full Board of Directors and not just at the whim
of one or two individuals.

CD

On 9/22/07, Neil Green wrote:
> Respect Mike and Candi's decision and move forward. They seem to know what their doing. If you think you can do a better job, send them a resume.
>
> Neil
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
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> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>


Neil Green

2007-09-22

Respect Mike and Candi's decision and move forward. They seem to know what their doing. If you think you can do a better job, send them a resume.

Neil