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SHOW ME THE MONKEY $$$ !!!!

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Friton, Mike

2001-08-23

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What ever happened to the good old days of amateur sports?? Do younger

athletes loose their national team eligibility for winning money as in other

sports??

rgs, Mike

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From: Duncan, Todd [mailto:todd_d-@mentorg.com]

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:38 PM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] SHOW ME THE MONKEY $$$ !!!!

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I agree with Mike on this.

One point to ponder however:

As noted by a fellow cyclist and financially savvy individual... "so, in

effect, aren't the 8(+/-) individuals who ride actually paying themselves?"

Todd Duncan

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I certainly don't want to discourage Beth, or anyone, for that matter, from

putting money into bike racing but I think that the focus on prize lists is

inappropriate. There is little demonstration that the size of the prize

list has any effect on participation or performance, as has been shown by

events like PIR. Cycling is nearly the only sport that would even consider

giving cash prizes to beginning competitors.

Race organizers have limited amounts of organizational energy. Often most

of that energy is spent on trying to develop a large prize list. Worse yet,

many race organizers create their prize lists by redistributing the entry

fees. Wouldn't it be much better if the race organizers concentrated energy

on other items, like publicizing their events to potential competitors and

to the general public, better communications, results publication, better

caravan organization, adding other amenities, etc? Wouldn't most people

prefer a lower entry fee over a larger prize list?

Mike Murray

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I agree with Mike on this. One point to ponder

however: As noted by a fellow cyclist and financially savvy individual...

"so, in effect, aren't the 8(+/-) individuals who

ride actually paying themselves?"

Todd Duncan

============================================================ I

certainly don't want to discourage Beth, or anyone, for that matter,

from putting money into bike racing but I think that the focus on prize

lists is inappropriate. There is little demonstration that the size

of the prize list has any effect on participation or performance, as has

been shown by events like PIR. Cycling is nearly the only sport that

would even consider giving cash prizes to beginning

competitors. Race organizers have limited amounts of organizational

energy. Often most of that energy is spent on trying to develop a

large prize list. Worse yet, many race organizers create their prize

lists by redistributing the entry fees. Wouldn't it be much better if

the race organizers concentrated energy on other items, like publicizing

their events to potential competitors and to the general public, better

communications, results publication, better caravan organization, adding

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Duncan, Todd

2001-08-23

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I agree with Mike on this.

One point to ponder however:

As noted by a fellow cyclist and financially savvy individual... "so, in effect, aren't the 8(+/-) individuals who ride actually paying themselves?"

Todd Duncan

============================================================

I certainly don't want to discourage Beth, or anyone, for that matter, from

putting money into bike racing but I think that the focus on prize lists is

inappropriate. There is little demonstration that the size of the prize

list has any effect on participation or performance, as has been shown by

events like PIR. Cycling is nearly the only sport that would even consider

giving cash prizes to beginning competitors.

Race organizers have limited amounts of organizational energy. Often most

of that energy is spent on trying to develop a large prize list. Worse yet,

many race organizers create their prize lists by redistributing the entry

fees. Wouldn't it be much better if the race organizers concentrated energy

on other items, like publicizing their events to potential competitors and

to the general public, better communications, results publication, better

caravan organization, adding other amenities, etc? Wouldn't most people

prefer a lower entry fee over a larger prize list?

Mike Murray

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I agree with Mike on this. One point to ponder however: As

noted by a fellow cyclist and financially savvy individual... "so, in effect,

aren't the 8(+/-) individuals who ride actually paying

themselves?"

Todd Duncan

============================================================ I

certainly don't want to discourage Beth, or anyone, for that matter,

from putting money into bike racing but I think that the focus on prize lists

is inappropriate. There is little demonstration that the size of the

prize list has any effect on participation or performance, as has been shown

by events like PIR. Cycling is nearly the only sport that would even

consider giving cash prizes to beginning competitors. Race organizers

have limited amounts of organizational energy. Often most of that

energy is spent on trying to develop a large prize list. Worse

yet, many race organizers create their prize lists by redistributing the

entry fees. Wouldn't it be much better if the race organizers

concentrated energy on other items, like publicizing their events to

potential competitors and to the general public, better communications,

results publication, better caravan organization, adding other amenities,

etc? Wouldn't most people prefer a lower entry fee over a larger prize

list? Mike Murray 

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