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RE: re:SHOW ME THE MONEY $$$ !!!!

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Schreck, George

2001-08-23

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I really have to question the financial acumen of anyone to whom the prizes

really matter. Lets see, $3,000 for the bike; $1,000 for other equipment;

costs of travel; entry fees, and ten hours of training per week versus the

chance to occasionally win $50. Sounds like a good financial plan.

Most of us race for fun and for most of us, the occasional good result is

the reward, in addition to the enjoyment of racing. This is the only

amateur sport of which I am aware that prize money even exists. Running

sports often have thousands of competitors just for the reward of a cheap

ribbon or medal and only the pros get cash. No one is going to make a living

racing bicycles in OBRA races. My greatest memories of racing had little to

do with the occasional prize money that I received. Also, one of the races

with the highest prize money, Medford, did not have enough racers in many

prize categories to award all of the prizes. In fact, I believe none the

women's categories had enough competitors. This is not an argument to not

have prizes for women or other categories. It just points out that it may

not be a major motivation for attendance, as there are larger factors such

as location, type of race, race course, weather and time of year.

                          George C. Schreck

                           Phone: (503) 813-7211

                           Fax: (503) 813-7190

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From: DaViD AuKeR [mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.Com]

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:31 PM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] re:SHOW ME THE MONEY $$$ !!!!

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Reflections on what Scott Powell, et al said:

I think it is a good idea sometimes to sit back and ask ourselves why we

race. Is it for money? If your answer is yes, I'd be surprised.

...

Beth, Pam, etc. I really hope you do not see the difference in prize money

for men's and women's fields as somehow discriminatory or misogynist.

It might be offensive if other categories are pri$ed, and yours

isn't...? But, amount of riders/entry fees might influence amount of

prize money per field.

Cash DOES change hands always at the race - who deserves a "cut" of it?

Here's the way I see entry fee allotment:

1. LOTS of miscellaneous expenses/fees...insurance, porta-johns,

possible donation to charity, etc.

2. Promoter

It's a HUGE amount of work organizing a race, an all-encompassing job

that can wake ya up in the middle of the night! Doing it for the love

of sport is noble, but some profit for all that effort is certainly

fair!

3. Officials

Can't do it w/o 'em! They make the race happen on raceday!

4. Riders

Can't do it w/o 'em! They make the race happen.

It would be nice if we had a strict standard for allotment of prizes,

like 40% entry fees alloted to 1/5 of each category - this would be a

equitable solution, you'd get prizes in proportion to how much cash was

generated by the size of your field. Entry fees could be higher in

highlighted categories to satisfy those pro/semi-pro riders for whom

larger cash prizes are important (and encourage upgrading to "greener

fields?").

~~Just reflections... It's a juggling act to keep riders AND promoters

happy, so we can pursue this great sport!

Ride, David :-)

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I really have to question the financial acumen of anyone to whom the prizes really matter. Lets see, $3,000 for the bike; $1,000 for other equipment; costs of travel; entry fees, and ten hours of training per week versus the chance to occasionally win $50. Sounds like a good financial plan.

Most of us race for fun and for most of us, the occasional good result is the reward, in addition to the enjoyment of racing. This is the only amateur sport of which I am aware that prize money even exists. Running sports often have thousands of competitors just for the reward of a cheap ribbon or medal and only the pros get cash. No one is going to make a living racing bicycles in OBRA races. My greatest memories of racing had little to do with the occasional prize money that I received. Also, one of the races with the highest prize money, Medford, did not have enough racers in many prize categories to award all of the prizes. In fact, I believe none the women's categories had enough competitors. This is not an argument to not have prizes for women or other categories. It just points out that it may not be a major motivation for attendance, as there are larger factors such as location, type of race, race course, weather and time of year. 

 George C. Schreck

 Phone: (503) 813-7211

 Fax: (503) 813-7190



 

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Reflections on what Scott Powell, et al said:

 > 

 > I think it is a good idea sometimes to sit back and ask ourselves why we 

 > race. Is it for money? If your answer is yes, I'd be surprised. 

 ...

 > Beth, Pam, etc. I really hope you do not see the difference in prize money 

 > for men's and women's fields as somehow discriminatory or misogynist.



It might be offensive if other categories are pri$ed, and yours

 isn't...? But, amount of riders/entry fees might influence amount of

 prize money per field. 



Cash DOES change hands always at the race - who deserves a "cut" of it? 



Here's the way I see entry fee allotment:



1. LOTS of miscellaneous expenses/fees...insurance, porta-johns,

 possible donation to charity, etc.



2. Promoter 

 It's a HUGE amount of work organizing a race, an all-encompassing job

 that can wake ya up in the middle of the night! Doing it for the love

 of sport is noble, but some profit for all that effort is certainly

 fair! 



3. Officials 

 Can't do it w/o 'em! They make the race happen on raceday!



4. Riders

 Can't do it w/o 'em! They make the race happen.



It would be nice if we had a strict standard for allotment of prizes,

 like 40% entry fees alloted to 1/5 of each category - this would be a

 equitable solution, you'd get prizes in proportion to how much cash was

 generated by the size of your field. Entry fees could be higher in

 highlighted categories to satisfy those pro/semi-pro riders for whom

 larger cash prizes are important (and encourage upgrading to "greener

 fields?").



~~Just reflections... It's a juggling act to keep riders AND promoters

 happy, so we can pursue this great sport! 



Ride, David :-)



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