How to Crash?

Rick C Johnson

2007-10-11

Bradley,
The only school I know of for crashing is the "school of hard knocks"
(from which I've earned a Masters degree). Take solstice in the fact
that the type of "low side" you experienced is very, very difficult to
catch on a bicycle, especially in the wet. I will share a bit of
experience though since you expressed an interest in the subject.

The low mass of the bike makes things happen very quickly and the lack
of suspension doesn't give you much to work with in that critical
fraction of a second you have to avert the fall. There is no time to
think through the necessary reaction - it must be instinctual and
instantaneous. The exact movement is hard to describe. It's a
combination of a quick flick of the hips to the outside and a
counter-steer to the bars. The logical of the concept is that the hip
flick is keeping the bike upright under you and the counter-steer is
realigning the front wheel with your actual direction of travel. If
you've done it right the front tire will reacquire traction and you will
still be on top of the bike with another chance at making the turn. This
is where suspension helps, it absorbs the heavy movements of you and the
bike gentling the weighting of the front tire therefore improving the
chances of you making a successful catch.
The only real way to learn this is to practice. Put on some heavy
clothes (pants and sleeves that won't roll up, gauntlet style gloves)
and find a dirt lot or big patch of grass. Rail on in there and crank
that front end over (or grab a handful of front brake). Pick yourself up
and repeat until the reaction comes to you. Or the Police see you
behaving abnormally, and you have to leave quickly.
Most times the low side happens too quick and you end up sliding. That's
why motorcyclists wear leather, better to slide on the cow skin than
yours. Bicyclists don't have that luxury, but if you wear a pack,
messenger bag or even just have a lot of stuff in your pockets you can
do your best to slide on that instead. Also use the backs and sides of
your shoes, if they're plastic that works exceptionally well. They all
can save you some skin. It's up to you to decide if it's worth the trade
(gear vs skin).

Unfortunately, if you overdo the move you will put yourself in a worse
position, that is called a "high-side". In that situation you will be
traveling over the top of the bike (making for a longer distance before
you impact the ground) and may even be vaulted higher by the bike.
High-sides (or the closely related "endo") are where most people break
bones, especially the collar bone. This is typically a result of the
reaction of the person trying to keep the onrushing planet at arms
length from their face. By virtue of mass the planet wins every time.
The best thing you can do is bend your elbows, and as your arms absorb
some of your momentum turn your face away, tuck your outside shoulder
and roll into a ball. When the tumbling stops you'll usually be ok,
unless there was some obstacle that interrupted you. A gymnastics class
teaches the basics of tumbling first thing, if you've never experienced
it I suggest it as a good thing to know.

Some of this perhaps sounds nutty but rest assured I've used these
techniques many times on motorcycles to catch slides; in rain, snow, wet
leaves, dirt, sand, gravel and even at speed up near 100mph. I haven't
caught every one of them, but most. The same reactions I developed there
have served me just as well on bicycles. The physics are all the same,
just the velocities and masses are different.

Good luck and good healing,
Rick

bheintz@znet.com wrote:

>Remember the heavy rain yesterday? Just after it stopped I road west on the
>Sellwood bridge and took the hairpin right to head south toward Lake
>Oswego. My front wheel slid out on the hard corner when it hit a small oils
>spot. I skidded to a stop via the skin of my tights and legs as well as the
>leather on my gloves. After crashing with minor road rash, wrist and
>shoulder bumps, I was waiting on the side of the road for the stinging to
>subside hoping I could still do the Sunday cross ride. I started to
>wonder. . .
>
>What would I have done if I fell on a faster section. It would take a lot
>more skin to stop me going twice the speed. Aren't I supposed to roll or
>something to keep from breaking my collerbone. Are the tights I wore a good
>way to keep unshaven legs from grading on the pavement. Was I supposed to
>have shaved my legs? Is there a guide out there for folks like me wondering
>how to crash?
>
>Bradley Heintz
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Jerald M Powell

2007-10-11

When it's wet stay out of the middle of the traffic lane... the tire
track is the safest place (the least likely to be oily and wet).
Also, although it's never ceased to amaze me how fast a front wheel
can go out from under, keeping your weight back a bit and staying
away from the front brake is a good idea when the road's a bit slippery.

As far as the fall itself is concerned... hang onto the bike, or lay
out flat. If you get launched (drain grate, etc) tuck.

jerry

Jerry Powell
USAC Level 1 Coach
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Portland, OR 97205

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503 799 7823 (cellular)

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On Oct 11, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Mansker wrote:

> I've always been told to not leg go of the bars until you are on
> the ground and stopped. When you reach out like that, and your arm
> hits first, the 1st thing to go will be your colarbone. Also trying
> to be calm and relax during it (assuming you have time to think) is
> good to.
>
> Aka do the opposite of what your mind wants to do :D
>
> David Auker wrote:
> Winter crashes are usually easier on the bod than summer: more
> clothing
> (but it can get expensive!).
>
> I've always tried to get riding again as soon as possible...not only
> good practice for racing, but I figure the hurt I can apply to my legs
> by jamming will be a counter-irritant to whatever roadrash I incurred.
> Ascertain how bad the body got hurt, and if it's just superficial,
> check
> the bike with basic "spin wheels for trueness, see if it's shifting ok
> (fixed-gear is a breeze!) (be careful to check dérailleur's condition,
> that it's not bent, to make sure your spokes don't get a nasty
> surprise
> when you shift into low gear). Then, hammer like gel! Adrenalin is the
> best performance supplement! :-)
>
> David
>
> bheintz@znet.com wrote:
> > Remember the heavy rain yesterday? Just after it stopped I road
> west on the
> > Sellwood bridge and took the hairpin right to head south toward Lake
> > Oswego. My front wheel slid out on the hard corner when it hit a
> small oils
> > spot. I skidded to a stop via the skin of my tights and legs as
> well as the
> > leather on my gloves. After crashing with minor road rash, wrist and
> > shoulder bumps, I was waiting on the side of the road for the
> stinging to
> > subside hoping I could still do the Sunday cross ride. I started to
> > wonder. . .
> >
> > What would I have done if I fell on a faster section. It would
> take a lot
> > more skin to stop me going twice the speed. Aren't I supposed to
> roll or
> > something to keep from breaking my collerbone. Are the tights I
> wore a good
> > way to keep unshaven legs from grading on the pavement. Was I
> supposed to
> > have shaved my legs? Is there a guide out there for folks like me
> wondering
> > how to crash?
> >
> > Bradley Heintz
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Kevin Mansker

2007-10-11

I've always been told to not leg go of the bars until you are on the ground and stopped. When you reach out like that, and your arm hits first, the 1st thing to go will be your colarbone. Also trying to be calm and relax during it (assuming you have time to think) is good to.

Aka do the opposite of what your mind wants to do :D

David Auker wrote:
Winter crashes are usually easier on the bod than summer: more clothing
(but it can get expensive!).

I've always tried to get riding again as soon as possible...not only
good practice for racing, but I figure the hurt I can apply to my legs
by jamming will be a counter-irritant to whatever roadrash I incurred.
Ascertain how bad the body got hurt, and if it's just superficial, check
the bike with basic "spin wheels for trueness, see if it's shifting ok
(fixed-gear is a breeze!) (be careful to check dérailleur's condition,
that it's not bent, to make sure your spokes don't get a nasty surprise
when you shift into low gear). Then, hammer like gel! Adrenalin is the
best performance supplement! :-)

David

bheintz@znet.com wrote:
> Remember the heavy rain yesterday? Just after it stopped I road west on the
> Sellwood bridge and took the hairpin right to head south toward Lake
> Oswego. My front wheel slid out on the hard corner when it hit a small oils
> spot. I skidded to a stop via the skin of my tights and legs as well as the
> leather on my gloves. After crashing with minor road rash, wrist and
> shoulder bumps, I was waiting on the side of the road for the stinging to
> subside hoping I could still do the Sunday cross ride. I started to
> wonder. . .
>
> What would I have done if I fell on a faster section. It would take a lot
> more skin to stop me going twice the speed. Aren't I supposed to roll or
> something to keep from breaking my collerbone. Are the tights I wore a good
> way to keep unshaven legs from grading on the pavement. Was I supposed to
> have shaved my legs? Is there a guide out there for folks like me wondering
> how to crash?
>
> Bradley Heintz
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David Auker

2007-10-11

Winter crashes are usually easier on the bod than summer: more clothing
(but it can get expensive!).

I've always tried to get riding again as soon as possible...not only
good practice for racing, but I figure the hurt I can apply to my legs
by jamming will be a counter-irritant to whatever roadrash I incurred.
Ascertain how bad the body got hurt, and if it's just superficial, check
the bike with basic "spin wheels for trueness, see if it's shifting ok
(fixed-gear is a breeze!) (be careful to check dérailleur's condition,
that it's not bent, to make sure your spokes don't get a nasty surprise
when you shift into low gear). Then, hammer like gel! Adrenalin is the
best performance supplement! :-)

David

bheintz@znet.com wrote:
> Remember the heavy rain yesterday? Just after it stopped I road west on the
> Sellwood bridge and took the hairpin right to head south toward Lake
> Oswego. My front wheel slid out on the hard corner when it hit a small oils
> spot. I skidded to a stop via the skin of my tights and legs as well as the
> leather on my gloves. After crashing with minor road rash, wrist and
> shoulder bumps, I was waiting on the side of the road for the stinging to
> subside hoping I could still do the Sunday cross ride. I started to
> wonder. . .
>
> What would I have done if I fell on a faster section. It would take a lot
> more skin to stop me going twice the speed. Aren't I supposed to roll or
> something to keep from breaking my collerbone. Are the tights I wore a good
> way to keep unshaven legs from grading on the pavement. Was I supposed to
> have shaved my legs? Is there a guide out there for folks like me wondering
> how to crash?
>
> Bradley Heintz
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bheintz@znet.com

2007-10-11

Remember the heavy rain yesterday? Just after it stopped I road west on the
Sellwood bridge and took the hairpin right to head south toward Lake
Oswego. My front wheel slid out on the hard corner when it hit a small oils
spot. I skidded to a stop via the skin of my tights and legs as well as the
leather on my gloves. After crashing with minor road rash, wrist and
shoulder bumps, I was waiting on the side of the road for the stinging to
subside hoping I could still do the Sunday cross ride. I started to
wonder. . .

What would I have done if I fell on a faster section. It would take a lot
more skin to stop me going twice the speed. Aren't I supposed to roll or
something to keep from breaking my collerbone. Are the tights I wore a good
way to keep unshaven legs from grading on the pavement. Was I supposed to
have shaved my legs? Is there a guide out there for folks like me wondering
how to crash?

Bradley Heintz