Fixed Gear Question-COG

Jerry Powell

2001-08-25

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Fixed cogs, like freewheels, are Rt hand thread. There are actually

three different diameters and thread pitches in use, (English,

French, and Italian. English and Italian are generally

interchangeable, but not perfect... French is a metric thread and a

tiny bit smaller in diameter. DON'T thread anything but french

threaded freewheel or cog on a french hub.)



Lockrings are always Left thread so that when the cog gets unseated

on hard deceleration (backpedaling) it runs into the lockring rather

than backing off the threads. NEVER tighten the lockring down. It

should be finger tight and should be snug, not tight. If you use a

fixed cog on the freewheel side of a two sided hub (most two sided

hubs are set up for a freewheel on one side and a fixed cog on the

other). If the idea of a cog loosening bothers you, you can use a BSC

bottom bracket lockring on it. In that case, because the two pieces

are both rt hand threads, the only locking will be the interference

between the cog and the lockring. It's probably overkill anyway,

because generally the only application for two cogs on one wheel

would be if you're using the wheel on the road and want to have a

gear selection, and you'll generally have at least one brake in that

event. Is this making sense?



Answering the question you didn't ask... No, I've never ever heard of

a left threaded freewheel, hub, or Track (Fixed) cog. Are you sure

it's not cross threaded or something? Think it through... if a cog

were left threaded, it would try to unwind every standing start, and

every sprint.



Jerry Powell







At 5:38 AM -0400 8/25/01, OUTLA-@aol.com wrote:

 

I have a KHS Flite 100. I went to buy a new Cog for the rear wheel and now

am in a state of confusion. I went to the bike shop and bought a new cog,

when I went to install it I found that the Original Cog has left hand

threads. The new one has Right Hand threads. The opposite side of the of

the Original Hub has Right Hand threads so I can fit the new Cog on that side

of the hub but I can not find a Right Hand thread lock ring anywhere. I know

that while pedaling this will pose no problem but what about when I put

resistance onto the pedals to slow down? IS the new Cog an Abberation or is

this the way it should be? Should I return it and find the corrrect Left

hand threaded cog or is the Right Hand OK?



Thanks



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<div>Fixed cogs, like freewheels, are Rt hand thread.  There are

actually three different diameters and thread pitches in use,

(English, French, and Italian.  English and Italian are generally

interchangeable, but not perfect... French is a metric thread and a

tiny bit smaller in diameter.  DON'T thread anything but french

threaded freewheel or cog on a french hub.)</div>

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<div>Lockrings are always Left thread so that when the cog gets

unseated on hard deceleration (backpedaling) it runs into the lockring

rather than backing off the threads.  NEVER tighten the lockring

down.  It should be finger tight and should be snug, not tight.

If you use a fixed cog on the freewheel side of a two sided hub (most

two sided hubs are set up for a freewheel on one side and a fixed cog

on the other). If the idea of a cog loosening bothers you, you can use

a BSC bottom bracket lockring on it. In that case, because the two

pieces are both rt hand threads, the only locking will be the

interference between the cog and the lockring.  It's probably

overkill anyway, because generally the only application for two cogs

on one wheel would be if you're using the wheel on the road and want

to have a gear selection, and you'll generally have at least one brake

in that event.  Is this making sense?</div>

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<div>Answering the question you didn't ask... No, I've never ever

heard of a left threaded freewheel, hub, or Track (Fixed) cog. 

Are you sure it's not cross threaded or something?  Think it

through... if a cog were left threaded, it would try to unwind every

standing start, and every sprint.</div>

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<div>Jerry Powell </div>

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<div>At 5:38 AM -0400 8/25/01, OUTLA-@aol.com wrote:</div>

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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">I have a KHS

Flite 100.  I went to buy a new Cog for the rear wheel and

now<br>

am in a state of confusion.  I went to the bike shop and bought a

new cog,<br>

when I went to install it I found that the Original Cog has left

hand<br>

threads.  The new one has Right Hand threads.  The opposite

side of the of<br>

the Original Hub has Right Hand threads so I can fit the new Cog on

that side<br>

of the hub but I can not find a Right Hand thread lock ring anywhere.

 I know<br>

that while pedaling this will pose no problem but what about when I

put<br>

resistance onto the pedals to slow down?  IS the new Cog an

Abberation or is<br>

this the way it should be?  Should I return it and find the

corrrect Left<br>

hand threaded cog or is the Right Hand OK?</font><br>

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Becky and Nikos

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Is this a flip-flop hub?

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I know, I am perplexed by the situation myself. I was planning on using the

bike on the road was just concerned about the cog backing off when slowing

down. I just dont understand why the hub is threaded in both ways and why

the original is left hand thread. As a side issue, the only lock rings I can

find are left hand threaded. Why are these produced if the correct mounting

is to have theRight Hand thread Cogs?



Thanks





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face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>I know, I am perplexed by the situation

myself.  I was planning on using the <BR>bike on the road was just

concerned about the cog backing off when slowing <BR>down.  I just dont

understand why the hub is threaded in both ways and why <BR>the original is

left hand thread.  As a side issue, the only lock rings I can <BR>find

are left hand threaded.  Why are these produced if the correct mounting

<BR>is to have theRight Hand thread Cogs? <BR><BR>Thanks</FONT>

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I know, I am perplexed by the situation myself. I was planning on using the

bike on the road was just concerned about the cog backing off when slowing

down. I just dont understand why the hub is threaded in both ways and why

the original is left hand thread. As a side issue, the only lock rings I can

find are left hand threaded. Why are these produced if the correct mounting

is to have theRight Hand thread Cogs?



Thanks





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<FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>I know, I am perplexed by the situation myself.  I was planning on using the

<BR>bike on the road was just concerned about the cog backing off when slowing

<BR>down.  I just dont understand why the hub is threaded in both ways and why

<BR>the original is left hand thread.  As a side issue, the only lock rings I can

<BR>find are left hand threaded.  Why are these produced if the correct mounting

<BR>is to have theRight Hand thread Cogs?

<BR>

<BR>Thanks</FONT>







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I have a KHS Flite 100. I went to buy a new Cog for the rear wheel and now

am in a state of confusion. I went to the bike shop and bought a new cog,

when I went to install it I found that the Original Cog has left hand

threads. The new one has Right Hand threads. The opposite side of the of

the Original Hub has Right Hand threads so I can fit the new Cog on that side

of the hub but I can not find a Right Hand thread lock ring anywhere. I know

that while pedaling this will pose no problem but what about when I put

resistance onto the pedals to slow down? IS the new Cog an Abberation or is

this the way it should be? Should I return it and find the corrrect Left

hand threaded cog or is the Right Hand OK?



Thanks





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<FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>I have a KHS Flite 100.  I went to buy a new Cog for the rear wheel and now

<BR>am in a state of confusion.  I went to the bike shop and bought a new cog,

<BR>when I went to install it I found that the Original Cog has left hand

<BR>threads.  The new one has Right Hand threads.  The opposite side of the of

<BR>the Original Hub has Right Hand threads so I can fit the new Cog on that side

<BR>of the hub but I can not find a Right Hand thread lock ring anywhere.  I know

<BR>that while pedaling this will pose no problem but what about when I put

<BR>resistance onto the pedals to slow down?  IS the new Cog an Abberation or is

<BR>this the way it should be?  Should I return it and find the corrrect Left

<BR>hand threaded cog or is the Right Hand OK?

<BR>

<BR>Thanks</FONT>







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