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I never said he did. I was speaking generally as it should have been obvious to you.
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From: Patrick wilder
"As much as motorists have an obligation to us regarding safety, we have an obligation to ourselves to be sensible and not assume the right of way makes us invincible. These recent events prove just how vunerable we are when our assumptions do not work out. "
I'm not sure it's fair to assume that Brett "assumed the right of way".
In all fairness could we just put all the armchair quarterbacking on hold?
gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
In fairness, I have found that large trucks usually are fairly good at being curteous. The fact is that they are usually professional drivers and are well aware of the large space they occupy so they give me more room that many automobile drivers. They avoid passing me on blind corners or trying to squeeze by me when another vehicle is approaching; something I often cannot say about automobile drivers.
The fact is that if a truck driver cannot see you, he cannot take steps to avoid you. If the driver is in his cab many feet above you, and you are underneath his window on the passenger side, he cannot see you. Also, you will not show up in his mirror because you are below that. In those situations, you need to be aware that he cannot see you, and take precautions. So what if you have the right of way. The truck driver cannot see you, and having the right of way works only when you are visible.
As much as motorists have an obligation to us regarding safety, we have an obligation to ourselves to be sensible and not assume the right of way makes us invincible. These recent events prove just how vunerable we are when our assumptions do not work out.
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From: Steve Brown
Rick,
This is exactly what I am talking about. Not anti business, pro responsibility. It only took one death for the old Bell Telephone to make driving safety a priority, remember the orange cones around the phone truck. We need more businesses to assume a like leadership role in driver safety and sharing the road. When you do business with a company that has fleet vehicles, ask if they support cycling awareness and the BTA. I worked with a company in Ohio who at one time started all meetings with a safety suggestion. The message got through to everybody. I would be surprised if one could find 10 companies with fleet operations in the Portland area that has mentioned one thing about "sharing the road" in the last 12 months let alone this month in a formal safety meeting.
Steve Brown
On Oct 24, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
When I was driving commercial in Europe a few years ago the Germans had an interesting way to deal with this. It was quite simple - the owner of the company that employed the drivers received identical citations to those which their drivers received.
It didn't take very many company owners loosing their driving privileges for there to be a dramatic shift in priorities.
Rick
Steve Brown wrote:
What I find especially appalling is the apparent lack of comment from the garbage truck company. What do they have in place with regard to driver safety education, training and record review? Did they knowingly put a driver on the road who does not have a safe driving record. A few tickets is one thing. Placing a driver with a history of driving while suspended plus a long history of disregard for traffic laws is not something I would do if it was my company. The company could be just as responsible for this incident. It has been my long held belief that managers and owners of companies with bad drivers are as much at fault as the bad drivers. They do not properly screen, train or discipline drivers. Let's see what the company says and does. Maybe some of the outrage should be placed where it belongs. We might not
be able to change the law or what happened. But we can choose not to do business with businesses that do not support safe operation of company vehicles. Steve Brown On Oct 24, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Curt Dewees wrote:
Yes, I find it incredibly disturbing. I will be shocked and very unhappy if the truck driver who killed Brett Jarolimek is not fired from his job, considering the driver's long history of multiple speeding tickets and many other serious traffic convictions. He should never have been allowed to be a "professional" truck driver, considering his record. CD On 10/24/07, Long, Steve wrote:
Does the corresponding story disturb anyone but me? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/ 1193198147 198540.xml&coll=7 -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra- bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Curt Dewees Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:24 AM To: shift@lists.riseup.net; OBRA list Subject: [OBRA Chat] Remembering Brett Jarolimek: The Oregonian's tribute "Cyclist cruised through life with smiles and skill, pals say. "Friends recall Brett Jarolimek's gifts as an experienced rider and as a friend " Wednesday, October 24, 2007 HELEN JUNG The Oregonian Staff "Brett Jarolimek was
such a skilled cyclist, friends say, that he made steering down steep mountain bike trails or handling messy cyclocross courses look easy. "But it was a short paved downhill stretch on Portland's North Interstate Avenue where the 31-year-old lost his life. The longtime cyclist was killed Monday by a garbage truck that crossed the bike lane as it made a right turn in front of him." ... [link to the full story] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/ 1193194508 100060.xml&coll=7 _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:12:16 +0000
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