Luciano bailey
Many great suggestions from all walks of life these will benifit all in the end. One small overlooked situation is the rate of bike lane growth to driver education and learning curve time. No sooner is a bike lane finished and cyclists seem to find it right away. The problem lyes with respect to the auto who will now need significant time to adjust his driving to accomidate the changes in road dynamic caused by a bike lane. More required driver education needs to be implimented along with proactive bike commuter education for riders who will use these lanes.
From: mellierat@comcast.netTo: pbosheff@comcast.net; davauk@hevanet.comDate: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:17:55 +0000CC: obra@list.obra.org; shift@lists.riseup.netSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] [shift] Re: Re: Remembering Brett Jarolimek: The Oregonian's tribute
Are you just trying to prove how stupid you are? You've done a nice job.
-------------- Original message -------------- From: Pete Bosheff > When we were really wired up we'd ride at night with no shirts on - > bare skin, but always a helmet, Pearly shorts. If you gotta ride > stealth no shirts (bare skin) are much harder to see than black or > dark shirts at night. > > I'm done. > > > On Oct 24, 2007, at 11:40 PM, David Auker wrote: > > > Good and entertaining story, Pete! > > > > Except, I debate this: > >> Drivers DO NOT see you man!!!!!!! > > If you ride dressed in black, that is likely. However, there are > > ways to increase your visibility. If you are creative (and don't > > mind looking like a brightly colored clown), you can be quite > > visible. (It's not HOW you l ook, i t's that you LOOK!) I'm not > > slighting any of the recent accident victims...sometimes the > > situation is just going to fall against the rider, but if there is > > any protection one can take against the motor vehicle occupying > > your space, it's "safety clothing," brightest stuff you can get > > your hands on. > > I think it is /so strange that more riders aren't preaching this,/ > > when, on the other side of the boxing ring, drivers' common saying > > is, "I just didn't see him." I, for one, don't think it has to be > > that way. > > David > > > > Pete Bosheff wrote: > >> When I lived in PDX me and my boys used to ride like freaking > >> banzai maniacs, darting in and out of traffic, blasting anything > >> and everything - on the edge giggling all the way and worse. Until > >> one day in NE somewhe re aro und Burnside near airport, coming from > >> Marine Drive, me and my boy Rich did some creative cuts through > >> moving traffic - some lady decided to chase us down in her car, > >> like blocks and blocks swerving in and out of traffic - using turn > >> lane and running at least one stop light. After we realized she > >> was on us we said "hell YA!" and stepped up the game for another > >> several blocks. We were unsure of what she was about but then when > >> she caught us she was sooooo completely pissed off, and still > >> rolling, it was all she could do to get her window down and yell > >> at us "You're a fucking hazard!!!" Man, she was hysterical! > >> > >> So me and Rich "engaged" her briefly and she got more pissed and > >> was getting crazy w/ her car so we 180'd and got gone real quick. > >> > >& gt; I said "Rich, she was furious, what did we do?" He said - "I don't > >> know but she almost hit that kid, didn't you see that?" I said > >> "No" - but we realized we pushed that lady's Road Rage Button > >> just trying to have some fun screwing with traffic, bombing and > >> hucking street elements and intersections. > >> > >> So we sort of retired - realizing we were way out there and > >> endangering things, others and ourselves. > >> > >> Hey, I'm older, greasier (need to ride everyday), been there done > >> that but I have to admit whenever I get on my urban unit I still > >> get the urge to shred and cut in front of vehicles and slip > >> through gaps in traffic not yet there. I have to admit I still do > >> it sometimes - it is pure adrenaline and fun for some of us wired > >> that way. &g t; >> > >> I say sometimes cats like us just do risky things. We push it, > >> need to - don't ask, it ain't right. > >> > >> I am bummed for our brother for sure and have massive sympathy for > >> sisters and brothers who are just riding or commuting responsibly > >> following most of the rules and get wacked. Drivers DO NOT see you > >> man!!!!!!! You got to know that stuff. I used to drive a truck in > >> college, big trucks - you gotta be careful around any commercial > >> vehicle let alone a car. > >> > >> Go a bit easier I guess or look a bit father out as you vector > >> your moves. > >> > >> > >> On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:01 PM, David Auker wrote: > >> > >>> Thomas Hoffman wrote: > >>>> PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, Ride like you exp ect to be hit. The life > >>>> you will > >>>> save is your own. > >>> However, you should strive to BE as SIGNIFICANT on the road as > >>> possible, and the only tool you have is VISIBILITY. (Respect > >>> what motor traffic can do to you, but can't ride everywhere with > >>> your tail twixt your legs.) Sure, there are times when bright > >>> clothing isn't going to matter (driver inattention, maliciousness > >>> (shudder), etc), but we must do everything at our disposal to be > >>> seen...and not just seen, but actually significantly noticed! > >>> > >>> David > >>> > >>> _________________________________________ > >>> > >>> The homepage for this list can be found at http:// > >>> lists.riseup.net/www/info/shift > & gt;> ;> People may unsubscribe by sending mail to: > >>> shift-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________ > >> > >> The homepage for this list can be found at http://lists.riseup.net/ > >> www/info/shift > >> People may unsubscribe by sending mail to: > >> shift-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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