Long, Steve
Unless of course you don't mind putting, at least some of, OBRA racing
at risk.
I sure wouldn't want that responsibility.
As a promoter, I know first hand that if you pea one of the stake
holders off in your race area, you may not get a permit the following
year. It can be very difficult!
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of gschreckchat@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:31 AM
To: mike.murray@obra.org; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting Story - A Cycling Phenomenon
In some states, liability waivers are enforceable and in other states
they are not. In Oregon they often (but not always) are enforceable,
but in some stes like Massachusetts, a person cannot waive negligence in
advance. In addition, if you run unsanctioned races in a community, if
you irritate the community, it may make it impossible for a promoter to
get a permit for a real race as all bicyclists get lumped together in
the collective minds of the community. There is no valid reason for not
getting a permit if you want to have an event.
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George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Mike Murray"
I am not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV) but I would not
count on the strength of any waiver to provide protection against
lawsuits. They may help you win suits but they will certainly not keep
you from getting sued. Liability insurance is an absolute necessity.
Most landowners and road use authorities will not give you permission to
use their property or roads without it. Use without permission carries
its own risks.
An event with a small number of competitors that doesn't cause
much impact is one thing. Events with large numbers of participants are
something completely different.
Mike Murray
-----Original Message-----
From: eric aldinger [mailto:ewascent@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 23:03 PM
To: Luciano bailey
Cc: mike.murray@obra.org; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting Story - A Cycling
Phenomenon
Funny. I was just contemplating the desirability of an
unsanctioned local marathon MTB race. I see the success of the
Continental Divide race as a bellweather that free racing can work.
Seems like all you need are a map, a group of hardy fools, and a solid
liability waiver.
On Dec 10, 2007 9:54 PM, Luciano bailey
wrote:
Well said Mike having participated in
unsanctioned races I can tell you first hand the drama becomes
exponential and I feel having an orginization in place to cover all of
those unforseen is the only way to go. Heck even the messenger races
this year were sanctioned cheers.
> From: mike.murray@obra.org
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:03:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting Story - A
Cycling Phenomenon
>
> My concern with the unsanctioned and
unofficial races that Jeb describes is
> that they can often generate ill will in the
non-cycling public, cause
> conflict with police agencies and occasionally
lead to serious injuries and
> lawsuits. I have been on some of these rides
in various parts of the
> country and they can be fun but they can also
be pretty scary. Per sonall y I
> have always thought that one of the strongest
aspects of the bike racing
> scene in Portland is that we do NOT have
unsanctioned regular races.
> Personally I think we are all better off when
racing to have rules,
> officials, liability insurance, road use
permits, first aid support, etc.
> Obviously bad things happen at official races
too but at least there is an
> organized effort to minimize these. I guess
the cost of this is entry fees
> and less "freedom". I think it is a reasonable
price to pay.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeb Stewart
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:46 PM
> To: obra@list.obr a.org< /A>
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Interesting Story - A
Cycling Phenomenon
>
>
> I know this might come across as shameless
self-promotion because I am
> directing you guys to my site, however, I'll
run the risk of getting labeled
> as such to share what I believe to be story
that is not only enjoyable, but
> that could be a catalyst for the creation of
another amazing facet to this
> incredible cycling scene/culture we have here
in Portland.
>
> Check it out and LMK what you think. I hope
that it leads to the creation of
> something similar here which would be a lot of
fun and a very positive thing
> for the cycling community as a whole. If
nothing else, it will provide a
> good talking point for at least a few digests.
I am sure of that! ;-)
>
>
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>
> Enjoy,
>
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