Just to fill in a little more, I've talked with Candi about setting a
capital improvement fund. That shouldn't be difficult. At the moment,
we do have a savings account- but I really think it is a matter of
accounting.
As far as the purpose of the donations- there is more than the road
signs. We have to replace radios (that are also used for CCX and
other events), buy some new computers for registration (we are
currently figuring out a way to network a bunch of computers to link
registration and the finish camera). We also adding barcodes to your
new membership cards to eventually be used to speed your registration
process.
We're doing this to make sure we all have the best experience
possible! (by making the entire process more accurate and efficient!).
If you ever have any questions, Candi and I are here to answer em for
you!
Thanks!
k-
ps. Fitting all the OBRA equipment in my Subaru would be an
interesting task. :D
On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Gordon Cumming wrote:
> Cliff,
> Interesting idea, MTB folks only pay for mtb stuff, roadies only pay
> for road stuff, track people pay for track stuff. Maybe as a
> community we pay for the equipment necessary to keep cycling in
> Oregon thriving and safe. I would pay because I'm part of OBRA.
> Gordie
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
>>
>> Are these signs used by mountain bike too. If not, I don't see why
>> the mountain
>> bike only people should pay extra. I would pay because I do
>> both.Cliff McCann
>> Team Pistis
>> 541-659-4104
>>
>>
>> From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo: tioflaco@comcast.net;
>> sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:01:57 +0000CC:
>> obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>> If there is a membership surcharge, it would have to be an add on
>> to the dues
>> and would have to be part of that process. It would not work as a
>> separate
>> process, as it would become voluntary.
>>
>> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- From: tioflaco@comcast.net
>> (Gordon Cumming) > George, > Your idea of a committe or surcharge
>> are great, you
>> should follow through on > your great idea and volunteer your
>> services to raise
>> the needed funds. Don't > know how busy Kenji is, but he can not do
>> it all. >
>> Gordie > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >
>> From:
>> gschreckchat@comcast.net > > Agreed. We need a fund. I would
>> appoint you, since
>> you have superior > > orgnaizational skills, and I have none
>> whatsoever.
>> However, this probably is > a > > project for Kenji. > > > > -- > >
>> > > George
>> Schreck > > gschreckchat@comcast.net > > (503) 502-0425 > > > >
>> --------------
>> Original message -------------- &g t; > From: Steve Brown > > Do
>> not really
>> disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing a capital >
>> > funds
>> project to cover items like this. Just need someone to take charge.
>> > > > > > >
>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote: >
>>>>>> > > > > >
>> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a
>> problem, but in >
>>> this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary
>>> $30,000. Since >
>> we > > must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise
>> funds for
>> somehting > that > > is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items
>> is a good
>> idea as well, but > only > > if we have the option to not pursue
>> the project or
>> reduce its scope if the > > donations are not sufficient. In this
>> case, we do
>> not have that option. My > > object ion is not based on philosopy,
>> it is based
>> on functionality. > > > > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had
>> some of
>> Tim's ability though. > > > > -- > > > > George Schreck > >
>> gschreckchat@comcast.net > > (503) 502-0425 > > > > --------------
>> Original
>> message -------------- > > From: Steve Brown > > I know it can be
>> dangerous to
>> getting involved with a contradiction to George, > > kind of like
>> trying to hold
>> Tim Luther on your hip high into turn one at > > Alpenrose on the
>> bell lap of a
>> matched sprint, but I think the one time > request > > for capital
>> funding is
>> not a bad idea. > > Every couple a years we need a few new things.
>> That is the
>> time to ask. If > there > > is a serious need for capital funding,
>> suggest
>> someone establish a committee, > > deve lop a plan and see how it
>> works. Beyond
>> that, a simple request for money > to > > buy some new stuff is
>> simple enough. >
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Brown > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM,
>> gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > Not that I have a
>> problem with a
>> donation, as I was happy to do so, but it > seems > > to be a poor
>> way to
>> address these issues. If this is something that OBRA must > > have,
>> we need a
>> funding source that more or less guaranties that the funds > will >
>> > be raised.
>> Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised,
>> > > and given
>> the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not >
>> acceptable. > > > >
>> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to
>> be added to >
>>> the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is,
>>> and an > >
>> additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some
>> people may > >
>> think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary
>> cost of > >
>> racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge
>> would more >
>>> or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are
>>> fine for >
>> items > > that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate
>> mechanism for items
>> that are > > necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be
>> exempted from
>> the > surcharge. > > > > -- > > > > George Schreck > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
>>>> (503) 502-0425 > > > > -------------- Original message
>>>> -------------- > >
>> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" > > > > Not knowing all those
>> details, but
>> assuming pretty much what you and Candi > just > ; > stated was why
>> I posted
>> what I did. I am not sure what I would have purchased > > with the
>> donation I
>> made, but I do know I can live without it for now. I am > sure > >
>> any amount
>> people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to continue >
>> > providing
>> quality support for races. > > ron > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From:
>> john > > To: obra@list.obra.org > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007
>> 5:04 PM > >
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs > > > > > > > > It has
>> sounded to
>> me like it has finally come to the point where new road > signs > >
>> are a must.
>> The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous, But mainly
>> > > simply no
>> longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or so of >
>> being > >
>> accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say
>> no. Als o if
>> < BR>> a > > vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the
>> ensuing liability
>> of having > > used a non-qualified sign. > > It is not going to be
>> easy to pick
>> out the new sign/stand that best fit obra's > > requirements...
>> i.e. easy to
>> handle, fast setup and takedown, all fit in the > > truck, hard to
>> steal, really
>> durable (or easy to fix), stay put in strong > wind, > > yet
>> light,?, etc, etc..
>> this is simply not going to be cheap. > > (this all my personal
>> opinion.. i did
>> do a litle bit of research into > qualified > > signs, etc, result
>> was my
>> donation increased.) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > >
>> From: David
>> Diviney > > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list > > Sent:
>> Monday, December
>> 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update < BR>> ; >
>> > > Not sure
>> if this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is >
>> > begging
>> (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money
>> is > >
>> better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to
>> finances? I > >
>> don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on the
>> verge of > >
>> collapse (also joking). > > > > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote: > >
>> Just my
>> 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more
>> > > season
>> instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do it
>> for > > the
>> children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give
>> please! > > ronnie
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yann Blindert" > > To:
>>>> "T. Kenji
>> Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list" > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17,
>> 2007 11:55 AM >
>> ; > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update > > > > > > > How many members
>> are you
>> expecting to renew or in > > > other words are we tracking to make
>> the $30,000
>> goal? > > > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.
>> > > > > > > >
>>>> Yann > > > > > > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote: > > > > > >> Hey
>>>> Folks, > >
>>>>>>>> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our > > >> OBRA
>> members who > > >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr
>> o ud > > >>
>> of you. > > >> > > >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with
>> > > >>
>> donations of about > > >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to
>> our goal of > >
>>>> $30K. Thank you > > >> ALL for donati ng. Pl ease renew today!
>>>> (Makes it > >
>>>> easier for Candi and > > >> I to get things ready for you on
>>>> time) > > >> > >
>>>> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards > > >> at
>>>> our annual > >
>>>> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly. > > >> > > >>
>>>> Fourth, I am
>> looking for women volunteers in > > >> Portland, Salem, Eugene, > >
>> >> Southern
>> Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer > > >> women's coordinators.
>> > > >> These
>> individuals would serve as information > > >> resources for women >
>> > >>
>> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve > > >> answering
>> simple > > >>
>> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area > > >> etc.) We
>> are< BR>> ;>
>> looking for Cat 3's and above with at l east 3 years > > >> of
>> racing > > >>
>> experience. > > >> > > >> Finally, would anyone be interested in
>> creating a > >
>>>> video for the annual > > >> meeting? Contact me off list. > > >>
>>>> > > >>
>> Thanks so much! > > >> > > >> T. Kenji Sugahara > > >> Assistant
>> Director > > >>
>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association > > >> 503-302-4935 > > >> > > >>
>> > > >> > >
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >> OBRA
>>>>>>>> mailing
>> list > > >> obra@list.obra.org > > >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > >> > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > Ya
>> nn Bli ndert > > > 646-662-7508 > > > nevens42@yahoo.com > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
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>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > > > > > From:
>> "Ron and
>> Dorothy Strasser" > > Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST > >
>> To: "john" , >
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs > > > > > > > > > >
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>> --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: tioflaco@comcast.netTo:
>> gschreckchat@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comCC:
>> obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signsDate:
>> Tue, 18 Dec
>> 2007 19:00:33 +0000
>> --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo:
>> sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comCC: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re:
>> [OBRA Chat]
>> Update / road signsDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:36:23 +0000
>> Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have
>> superior
>> orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this
>> probably is a
>> project for Kenji.
>>
>> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown
>> Do not really disagree that much.
>> Was really
>> suggesting establishing a capital funds project to cover items like
>> this. Just
>> need someone to take charge.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a
>> problem, but in
>> this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary
>> $30,000. Since we
>> must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds for
>> somehting that
>> is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as
>> well, but only
>> if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope
>> if the
>> donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that
>> option. My
>> objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on functionality.
>>
>> I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability
>> though.
>>
>> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown
>> I know it can be dangerous to
>> getting involved
>> with a contradiction to George, kind of like trying to hold Tim
>> Luther on your
>> hip high into turn one at Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched
>> sprint, but I
>> think the one time request for capital funding is not a bad idea.
>> Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to
>> ask. If there
>> is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish a
>> committee,
>> develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple request
>> for money to
>> buy some new stuff is simple enough.
>>
>>
>> Steve Brown
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so,
>> but it seems
>> to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something that
>> OBRA must
>> have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that
>> the funds will
>> be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will
>> be raised,
>> and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is
>> not acceptable.
>>
>> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to
>> be added to
>> the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is,
>> and an
>> additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some
>> people may
>> think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary
>> cost of
>> racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge
>> would more
>> or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are
>> fine for items
>> that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for
>> items that are
>> necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from
>> the surcharge.
>>
>> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ron and
>> Dorothy Strasser"
>>
>> Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you
>> and Candi just
>> stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would have
>> purchased
>> with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it for
>> now. I am sure
>> any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to
>> continue
>> providing quality support for races.
>> ron
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: john
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>
>>
>>
>> It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where
>> new road signs
>> are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous,
>> But mainly
>> simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or
>> so of being
>> accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say
>> no. Also if a
>> vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability
>> of having
>> used a non-qualified sign.
>> It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best
>> fit obra's
>> requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown, all
>> fit in the
>> truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put in
>> strong wind,
>> yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap.
>> (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research
>> into qualified
>> signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----From: David Diviney > >To: T.
>> Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list
>> Sent:
>> Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PMSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
>> UpdateNot sure if
>> this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is
>> begging (albeit
>> jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money is
>> better than less
>> money, but is there any risk of failure due to finances? I don't
>> want to give up
>> my expensive components unless OBRA is on the verge of collapse (also
>> joking).Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
>> Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just
>> one more
>> season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra?
>> Do it for the
>> children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give
>> please!ronnie-----
>> Original Message ----- From: "Yann Blindert" To: "T. Kenji
>> Sugahara" ; "OBRA
>> list list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AMSubject: Re:
>> [OBRA Chat]
>> Update> How many members are you expecting to renew or in> other
>> words are we
>> tracking to make the $30,000 goal?> It seems the average
>> contribution is just
>> over $14.50.>>> Yann>> --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:>>> Hey
>> Folks,>>>> Quick
>> update for y'all. First off - congrats to our>> OBRA members who>>
>> performed
>> quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud>> of you.>>>> Second,
>> 372 of you have
>> renewed thus far with>> donations of about>> $5,400. We're slowly
>> making our way
>> to our goal of>> $30K. Thank you>> ALL for donating. Please renew
>> today! (Makes
>> it>> easier for Candi and>> I to get things ready for you on
>> time)>>>> Third,
>> the list of folks who will receive BAR awards>> at our annual>>
>> meeting on
>> January 12th will be announced shortly.>>>> Fourth, I am looking
>> for women
>> volunteers in>> Portland, Salem, Eugene,>> Southern Oregon and Bend
>> to serve as
>> volunteer>> women's coordinators.>> These individuals would serve as
>> information>> resources for women>> interested in bike racing.
>> (Would likely
>> involve>> answering simple>> questions- e.g. are there any clinics
>> in the area>>
>> etc.) We a re< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at least
>> 3 years>> of
>> racing>> experience.>>>> Finally, would anyone be interested in
>> creating a>>
>> video for the annual>> meeting? Contact me off list.>>>> Thanks so
>> much!>>>> T.
>> Kenji Sugahara>> Assistant Director>> Oregon Bicycle Racing
>> Association>>
>> 503-302-4935>>>>>>>>>>
>> _______________________________________________>> OBRA
>> mailing list>> obra@list.obra.org>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> >>
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org>>>>> Yann Blindert>
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>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
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> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
> Date: December 18, 2007 12:09:02 PM PST
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>
>
> Are these signs used by mountain bike too. If not, I don't see why
> the mountain bike only people should pay extra. I would pay because
> I do both.
>
> Cliff McCann
> Team Pistis
> 541-659-4104
>
>
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: tioflaco@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:01:57 +0000
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>
> If there is a membership surcharge, it would have to be an add on to
> the dues and would have to be part of that process. It would not
> work as a separate process, as it would become voluntary.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: tioflaco@comcast.net (Gordon Cumming)
>
> > George,
> > Your idea of a committe or surcharge are great, you should follow
> through on
> > your great idea and volunteer your services to raise the needed
> funds. Don't
> > know how busy Kenji is, but he can not do it all.
> > Gordie
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have
> superior
> > > orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this
> probably is
> > a
> > > project for Kenji.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > George Schreck
> > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > (503) 502-0425
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> &g t; > From: Steve Brown
> > > Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting
> establishing a capital
> > > funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone to
> take charge.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a
> problem, but in
> > > this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary
> $30,000. Since
> > we
> > > must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds
> for somehting
> > that
> > > is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as
> well, but
> > only
> > > if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its
> scope if the
> > > donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that
> option. My
> > > object ion is not based on philosopy, it is based on
> functionality.
> > >
> > > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability
> though.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > George Schreck
> > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > (503) 502-0425
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Steve Brown
> > > I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a
> contradiction to George,
> > > kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high into
> turn one at
> > > Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but I think the
> one time
> > request
> > > for capital funding is not a bad idea.
> > > Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time
> to ask. If
> > there
> > > is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish
> a committee,
> > > deve lop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple
> request for money
> > to
> > > buy some new stuff is simple enough.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Brown
> > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do
> so, but it
> > seems
> > > to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something
> that OBRA must
> > > have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that
> the funds
> > will
> > > be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds
> will be raised,
> > > and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is
> not
> > acceptable.
> > >
> > > I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge
> to be added to
> > > the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it
> is, and an
> > > additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some
> people may
> > > think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a
> necessary cost of
> > > racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A
> surcharge would more
> > > or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are
> fine for
> > items
> > > that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for
> items that are
> > > necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from
> the
> > surcharge.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > George Schreck
> > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > (503) 502-0425
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> > >
> > > Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you
> and Candi
> > just
> > ; > stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would
> have purchased
> > > with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it
> for now. I am
> > sure
> > > any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able
> to continue
> > > providing quality support for races.
> > > ron
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: john
> > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where
> new road
> > signs
> > > are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly
> dangerous, But mainly
> > > simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade
> or so of
> > being
> > > accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to
> say no. Als o if < BR>> a
> > > vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing
> liability of having
> > > used a non-qualified sign.
> > > It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that
> best fit obra's
> > > requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown,
> all fit in the
> > > truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put
> in strong
> > wind,
> > > yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap.
> > > (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research
> into
> > qualified
> > > signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: David Diviney
> > > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list
> > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update < BR>> ; >
> > > Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question but,
> since Ron is
> > > begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize
> more money is
> > > better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to
> finances? I
> > > don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on
> the verge of
> > > collapse (also joking).
> > >
> > > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
> > > Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component
> just one more
> > > season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to
> obra? Do it for
> > > the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just
> give please!
> > > ronnie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Yann Blindert"
> > > To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list"
> > >
> > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM
> > ; > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > How many members are you expecting to renew or in
> > > > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?
> > > > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yann
> > > >
> > > > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hey Folks,
> > > >>
> > > >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our
> > > >> OBRA members who
> > > >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud
> > > >> of you.
> > > >>
> > > >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with
> > > >> donations of about
> > > >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of
> > > >> $30K. Thank you
> > > >> ALL for donati ng. Pl ease renew today! (Makes it
> > > >> easier for Candi and
> > > >> I to get things ready for you on time)
> > > >>
> > > >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards
> > > >> at our annual
> > > >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.
> > > >>
> > > >> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in
> > > >> Portland, Salem, Eugene,
> > > >> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer
> > > >> women's coordinators.
> > > >> These individuals would serve as information
> > > >> resources for women
> > > >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve
> > > >> answering simple
> > > >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area
> > > >> etc.) We are< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at l
> east 3 years
> > > >> of racing
> > > >> experience.
> > > >>
> > > >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a
> > > >> video for the annual
> > > >> meeting? Contact me off list.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks so much!
> > > >>
> > > >> T. Kenji Sugahara
> > > >> Assistant Director
> > > >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> > > >> 503-302-4935
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> OBRA mailing list
> > > >> obra@list.obra.org
> > > >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ya nn Bli ndert
> > > > 646-662-7508
> > > > nevens42@yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> _______________________________________________________________________
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> > > _______
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> > > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > > >
> > >
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> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > Unsubscribe: obr a-unsu bscribe@list.obra.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> > > Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST
> > > To: "john" ,
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________ _____
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> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >--Forwarded Message Attachment--
> From: tioflaco@comcast.net
> To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:00:33 +0000
>
> --Forwarded Message Attachment--
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:36:23 +0000
>
> Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have
> superior orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever.
> However, this probably is a project for Kenji.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Steve Brown
> Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing
> a capital funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone
> to take charge.
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM,gschreckchat@comcast.netwrote:
>
> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a
> problem, but in this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the
> necessary $30,000. Since we must have the signs, it seems to be a
> poor way to raise funds for somehting that is necessary. I think
> donations for OBRA items is a good idea as well, but only if we have
> the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope if the
> donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that
> option. My objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on
> functionality.
>
> I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability
> though.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Steve Brown
> I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a contradiction
> to George, kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high
> into turn one at Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but
> I think the one time request for capital funding is not a bad idea.
> Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to
> ask. If there is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone
> establish a committee, develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond
> that, a simple request for money to buy some new stuff is simple
> enough.
>
>
> Steve Brown
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM,gschreckchat@comcast.netwrote:
>
> Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so,
> but it seems to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is
> something that OBRA must have, we need a funding source that more or
> less guaranties that the funds will be raised. Donations do not
> guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised, and given the
> mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not acceptable.
>
> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to be
> added to the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as
> it is, and an additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize
> that some people may think that any additional cost is too much, but
> this is a necessary cost of racing and should be borne by the
> membership generally. A surcharge would more or less ensure that the
> necessay funds are raised. Donations are fine for items that are
> discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for items that
> are necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from
> the surcharge.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you and
> Candi just stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I
> would have purchased with the donation I made, but I do know I can
> live without it for now. I am sure any amount people donate will
> just get OBRA closer to being able to continue providing quality
> support for races.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:john
> To:obra@list.obra.org
> Sent:Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
> Subject:Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>
>
> It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where new
> road signs are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly
> dangerous, But mainly simply no longer qualified, no longer
> approved... after a decade or so of being accomodating it sounds
> like counties and state are starting to say no. Also if a vehicle
> did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability of having
> used a non-qualified sign.
> It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best
> fit obra's requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and
> takedown, all fit in the truck, hard to steal, really durable (or
> easy to fix), stay put in strong wind, yet light,?, etc, etc.. this
> is simply not going to be cheap.
> (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research
> into qualified signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: David Diviney
> To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list >
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
>
> Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question but, since
> Ron is begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I
> realize more money is better than less money, but is there any risk
> of failure due to finances? I don't want to give up my expensive
> components unless OBRA is on the verge of collapse (also joking).
>
> Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:Just my
> 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more
> season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do
> it for
> the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give
> please!
> ronnie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yann Blindert"
> To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list"
>
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
>
>
> > How many members are you expecting to renew or in
> > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?
> > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.
> >
> >
> > Yann
> >
> > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Folks,
> >>
> >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our
> >> OBRA members who
> >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud
> >> of you.
> >>
> >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with
> >> donations of about
> >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of
> >> $30K. Thank you
> >> ALL for donating. Please renew today! (Makes it
> >> easier for Candi and
> >> I to get things ready for you on time)
> >>
> >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards
> >> at our annual
> >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.
> >>
> >> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in
> >> Portland, Salem, Eugene,
> >> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer
> >> women's coordinators.
> >> These individuals would serve as information
> >> resources for women
> >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve
> >> answering simple
> >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area
> >> etc.) We a re< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at
> least 3 years
> >> of racing
> >> experience.
> >>
> >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a
> >> video for the annual
> >> meeting? Contact me off list.
> >>
> >> Thanks so much!
> >>
> >> T. Kenji Sugahara
> >> Assistant Director
> >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> >> 503-302-4935
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >>obra@list.obra.org
> >>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> Unsubscribe:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>
> >
> >
> > Yann Blindert
> > 646-662-7508
> >nevens42@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> From:"Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> Date:December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST
> To:"john" ,
> Subject:Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>
>
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