Matthew Karre

Smaller prizes= smaller entry fee= more racers= bigger races.

Matt

On Jan 10, 2008 10:17 AM, Peter and Laural wrote:

> Cash, three deep.
>
> Peter Drake
> Fred Meyer Cycling Team
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Finch"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:55 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question
>
>
> > Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this
> year
> and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a
> question
> for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.
> >
> > How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we
> provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all
> participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put
> some
> of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?
> >
> > Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really
> race for the money?
> >
> > This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing
> specific
> in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute
> stuff.
> >
> > Post away.
> >
> > Ken Finch
> > Prestovelo
> >
> >
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Fergus

Swag is fine. $10 Gift certificate from the sponsoring bike shop; good.

Cash seems a bit silly. Are we pros?

Why do we race? For the money?

This sport is loosing game financially. I can't see how winning $25
or $50 is going to offset any real cost. Racing for cash might make
the race less friendly.

Do we need motivation to race, to win? If there was a $5 penalty for
winning, there would still be a sprint at the finish. If one is
racing for the money, one is in the wrong race.

This is my math:

Ride for fun (and exercise)
Train for fun
Race for fun
Win for fun
Lose, and still have a great time.

Prizes are immaterial. (I won't be getting any soon.) The results on
the OBRA website are bragging rights enough.

Have fun,

Fergus

Peter and Laural

Cash, three deep.

Peter Drake
Fred Meyer Cycling Team

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Finch"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question

> Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this year
and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a question
for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.
>
> How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we
provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all
participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some
of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?
>
> Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really
race for the money?
>
> This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing specific
in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute
stuff.
>
> Post away.
>
> Ken Finch
> Prestovelo
>
>

Vicki Schroeder

I have never raced for prizes/money but that doesn't mean they were not appreciated when won. I do agree that swag often ends up not being used (though hopefully recycled in some way) so since we have so many great photographers out at most races how about certificates for photos?

Most of us have very few (if any) decent shots of ourselves racing and with so many people with their own blogs, etc I think it would be a nice treat to be able to add a nice photo of yourself to your "what I did this weekend" blog or to your team's website gallery. I personally think this is better than medals which end up in a box somewhere - I have only ever kept a very few, very special medals and even those are in some box somewhere (location unknown :).

Vicki

Ben Thompson

In my humble opinion, cash is a good motivator for that tank of gas back over the mountains, lunch or whatever. It certainly helps!!

> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:30:37 -0800> From: Suz@dishchoice.com> To: obra@list.obra.org> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question> > They have those already- they're called "RECREATIONAL RIDES"!> > Cash is good, even if it's not much- I always feel like "hey, I can > buy lunch now- bonus!" Also, schwag is hard to split amongst > teammates that may have helped you snag that prestigous win at the POC > road race. ;-)> > Quoting David Auker :> > > How about a category system where some race for prizes, some solely for> > the challenge? Maybe even in the same race group, but the entry fee> > would be lower when you check the box, "I'm just out for fun today?"> >> > David> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >> > > > _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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They have those already- they're called "RECREATIONAL RIDES"!

Cash is good, even if it's not much- I always feel like "hey, I can
buy lunch now- bonus!" Also, schwag is hard to split amongst
teammates that may have helped you snag that prestigous win at the POC
road race. ;-)

Quoting David Auker :

> How about a category system where some race for prizes, some solely for
> the challenge? Maybe even in the same race group, but the entry fee
> would be lower when you check the box, "I'm just out for fun today?"
>
> David
>
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Bonnie Hildebrand

I'm gonna give my two cents, even though I'm totally new to the racing
thing.

No food/booze/coffee, except really good cake to go with the race theme.
(More and more people have dietary differences. It would really suck to get
something that you can't/won't eat/drink.) No t-shirts/bandannas. They
just end up unused.
Go deep with the prizes, massages and entry fee gift certs. would rock!
Cash is always good.

Bonnie

2008/1/9 :

> I always enjoyed the "beer number" at the CrossCrusade events (especially
> since I wasn't in contention of the "prizes").
>
> Since it's a road race, how about a "coffee number" and hand out a bag of
> coffee beans. Might be tough to pull off logistically if it's not a series.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Gary Malcolm"
>
> I like ribbons and food and alcohol as prizes. Keeps down the clutter and
> pleases the palate!
>
>
>
> Last year I was second in the CAT 3 cherry pie and got one of the biggest
> disappointments of my racing career when my Cherry Pie came in a Hostess
> wrapper. I was bitter for the rest of the season. J Any promoter who has
> the foresight and good grace to offer me a coconut cake after a race is
> definitely going to get a Christmas card and perhaps even some inappropriate
> touching.
>
>
>
> If you don't want your beer or sugar fix… offer it as schwag to the finish
> line crowd and I guarantee you will have to wade home through the good
> Karma.
>
>
>
> Forget the bandanas and T-shirts and bring on the donuts.
>
>
>
> Gary Malcolm
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Harry Phinney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:44 PM
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question
>
>
>
> > Perhaps they should actually give out cake... I think it would super
> cool to win a cake after a race.
>
> Wait, I have an idea! Maybe we could get Sarah Auker to bake some cakes as
> prizes. That would be new…
>
>
>
> Harry Phinney
>
>
>
> Note to people who weren't racing in Oregon is the '70s: David originally
> promoted the race, and Sarah's cake prizes were originally the source of the
> race's name.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> To:
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:00:55 +0000
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paul.formiller@comcast.net

I always enjoyed the "beer number" at the CrossCrusade events (especially since I wasn't in contention of the "prizes").

Since it's a road race, how about a "coffee number" and hand out a bag of coffee beans. Might be tough to pull off logistically if it's not a series.

Cheers,
Paul

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Malcolm"

I like ribbons and food and alcohol as prizes. Keeps down the clutter and pleases the palate!

Last year I was second in the CAT 3 cherry pie and got one of the biggest disappointments of my racing career when my Cherry Pie came in a Hostess wrapper. I was bitter for the rest of the season. J Any promoter who has the foresight and good grace to offer me a coconut cake after a race is definitely going to get a Christmas card and perhaps even some inappropriate touching.

If you don?t want your beer or sugar fix? offer it as schwag to the finish line crowd and I guarantee you will have to wade home through the good Karma.

Forget the bandanas and T-shirts and bring on the donuts.

Gary Malcolm

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Harry Phinney
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:44 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question

> Perhaps they should actually give out cake... I think it would super cool to win a cake after a race.
Wait, I have an idea! Maybe we could get Sarah Auker to bake some cakes as prizes. That would be new?

Harry Phinney

Note to people who weren?t racing in Oregon is the ?70s: David originally promoted the race, and Sarah?s cake prizes were originally the source of the race?s name.

David Auker

How about a category system where some race for prizes, some solely for
the challenge? Maybe even in the same race group, but the entry fee
would be lower when you check the box, "I'm just out for fun today?"

David

Erik Voldengen wrote:
> No prizes is just fine.
>
> A t-shirt is a neat idea. As Splinter says during the kiddie kilo,
> "Everyone's a winner."
>
> -Erik
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

Erik Voldengen

No prizes is just fine.

A t-shirt is a neat idea. As Splinter says during the kiddie kilo,
"Everyone's a winner."

-Erik

Joel Morrissette

What about massage certificates, in 10-minute increments? 1st place gets a
full hour, then on down to 10th place or whatever. Even better if they're
redeemable right after the race. = ) I figure the massage school might go
for an arrangement like that. I know I'd sure bust it if I knew the legs
were getting a good rubdown post-race.

-Joel

On Jan 9, 2008 9:02 AM, Long, Steve wrote:

> I love my POC t-shirt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of David Auker
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:50 AM
> To: Matthew Klahn
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question
>
> Matthew Klahn wrote:
> > I also think that cash is better than swag), food (Is it vegan?
> > gluten- free? nut-free? soy-free?), alcohol (what if you're a
> > teetotaler or underage? venue restrictions?), etc. I don't race for
> > the money (I've never placed in the money), but I would rather see
> > smaller prizes spread through the top 10% of the results (top 10 in a
>
> > 100-person field) than concentrated on the top 3-5 placers.
> > Personally, if I got a top 10 result in anything, I'd be super
> > stoked, but getting back either some of my entry fee (in the form of
> > cash) or free/discounted entry to another event of my choice from
> > that sponsor, that would be icing on the cake...
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
>
> Cash is great, _not necessary_ (sometimes the hardest racing happens
> when there is NOTHING to be gained (and nothing lost by making hard
> efforts which may or may not produce podium result but will produce a
> great workout!)). When there is cash, I agree: placings should go as
> deeply as possible...if three guys are up the road, and the money goes
> to three, the race may be "over" for the peloton, whereas a bit of cash
> can make sprinting for 20th meaningful.
> David
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I love my POC t-shirt

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of David Auker
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:50 AM
To: Matthew Klahn
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question

Matthew Klahn wrote:
> I also think that cash is better than swag), food (Is it vegan?
> gluten- free? nut-free? soy-free?), alcohol (what if you're a
> teetotaler or underage? venue restrictions?), etc. I don't race for
> the money (I've never placed in the money), but I would rather see
> smaller prizes spread through the top 10% of the results (top 10 in a

> 100-person field) than concentrated on the top 3-5 placers.
> Personally, if I got a top 10 result in anything, I'd be super
> stoked, but getting back either some of my entry fee (in the form of
> cash) or free/discounted entry to another event of my choice from
> that sponsor, that would be icing on the cake...
>
> Matthew
>
>

Cash is great, _not necessary_ (sometimes the hardest racing happens
when there is NOTHING to be gained (and nothing lost by making hard
efforts which may or may not produce podium result but will produce a
great workout!)). When there is cash, I agree: placings should go as
deeply as possible...if three guys are up the road, and the money goes
to three, the race may be "over" for the peloton, whereas a bit of cash
can make sprinting for 20th meaningful.
David
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I think an OBRA entry fee certificate would be good...

----- Original Message ----
From: David Auker
To: Matthew Klahn
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 7:49:47 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question

Matthew Klahn wrote:
> I also think that cash is better than swag), food (Is it vegan?
> gluten- free? nut-free? soy-free?), alcohol (what if you're a
> teetotaler or underage? venue restrictions?), etc. I don't race for
> the money (I've never placed in the money), but I would rather see
> smaller prizes spread through the top 10% of the results (top 10 in a
> 100-person field) than concentrated on the top 3-5 placers.
> Personally, if I got a top 10 result in anything, I'd be super
> stoked, but getting back either some of my entry fee (in the form of
> cash) or free/discounted entry to another event of my choice from
> that sponsor, that would be icing on the cake...
>
> Matthew
>
>

Cash is great, _not necessary_ (sometimes the hardest racing happens
when there is NOTHING to be gained (and nothing lost by making hard
efforts which may or may not produce podium result but will produce a
great workout!)). When there is cash, I agree: placings should go as
deeply as possible...if three guys are up the road, and the money goes
to three, the race may be "over" for the peloton, whereas a bit of cash
can make sprinting for 20th meaningful.
David
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Matthew Klahn wrote:
> I also think that cash is better than swag), food (Is it vegan?
> gluten- free? nut-free? soy-free?), alcohol (what if you're a
> teetotaler or underage? venue restrictions?), etc. I don't race for
> the money (I've never placed in the money), but I would rather see
> smaller prizes spread through the top 10% of the results (top 10 in a
> 100-person field) than concentrated on the top 3-5 placers.
> Personally, if I got a top 10 result in anything, I'd be super
> stoked, but getting back either some of my entry fee (in the form of
> cash) or free/discounted entry to another event of my choice from
> that sponsor, that would be icing on the cake...
>
> Matthew
>
>

Cash is great, _not necessary_ (sometimes the hardest racing happens
when there is NOTHING to be gained (and nothing lost by making hard
efforts which may or may not produce podium result but will produce a
great workout!)). When there is cash, I agree: placings should go as
deeply as possible...if three guys are up the road, and the money goes
to three, the race may be "over" for the peloton, whereas a bit of cash
can make sprinting for 20th meaningful.
David

Gary Malcolm

I like ribbons and food and alcohol as prizes. Keeps down the clutter
and pleases the palate!

Last year I was second in the CAT 3 cherry pie and got one of the
biggest disappointments of my racing career when my Cherry Pie came in a
Hostess wrapper. I was bitter for the rest of the season. :-) Any
promoter who has the foresight and good grace to offer me a coconut cake
after a race is definitely going to get a Christmas card and perhaps
even some inappropriate touching.

If you don't want your beer or sugar fix... offer it as schwag to the
finish line crowd and I guarantee you will have to wade home through the
good Karma.

Forget the bandanas and T-shirts and bring on the donuts.

Gary Malcolm

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Harry Phinney
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:44 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question

> Perhaps they should actually give out cake... I think it would super
cool to win a cake after a race.

Wait, I have an idea! Maybe we could get Sarah Auker to bake some cakes
as prizes. That would be new...

Harry Phinney

Note to people who weren't racing in Oregon is the '70s: David
originally promoted the race, and Sarah's cake prizes were originally
the source of the race's name.

Matthew Klahn

I also think that cash is better than swag), food (Is it vegan? gluten-
free? nut-free? soy-free?), alcohol (what if you're a teetotaler or
underage? venue restrictions?), etc. I don't race for the money (I've
never placed in the money), but I would rather see smaller prizes
spread through the top 10% of the results (top 10 in a 100-person
field) than concentrated on the top 3-5 placers. Personally, if I got
a top 10 result in anything, I'd be super stoked, but getting back
either some of my entry fee (in the form of cash) or free/discounted
entry to another event of my choice from that sponsor, that would be
icing on the cake...

Matthew

On Jan 8, 2008, at 9:01 PM, David Auker wrote:

> As founder of the race, I always strived to provide a prizelist of
> cash,
> merchandise...and cake: Sarah-made, outrageous cake, rich with the
> best
> ingredients and care. I personally think cash is wonderful (besides
> the
> cake)..."universal gift certificates."
>
> Ride,
> David
>
>
> Richard Hogan wrote:
>> Give away Cake
>> It is "The Piece of Cake Road Race"
>> You know like the Cherry Pie RR
>>
>>
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I'm surprised the race continued without Sarah's cake! She's a fabulous
cook.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Harry Phinney
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:44 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question

> Perhaps they should actually give out cake... I think it would super cool
to win a cake after a race.

Wait, I have an idea! Maybe we could get Sarah Auker to bake some cakes as
prizes. That would be new.

Harry Phinney

Note to people who weren't racing in Oregon is the '70s: David originally
promoted the race, and Sarah's cake prizes were originally the source of the
race's name.

Saul Lopez

My vote's for keeping the swag to a minimum. That kind of stuff will just fill our landfills without much use. Cash at least lets you buy stuff you want/need... replacement parts, food, etc.

Ken Finch wrote:
Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this year and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a question for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.

How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?

Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really race for the money?

This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing specific in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute stuff.

Post away.

Ken Finch
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As founder of the race, I always strived to provide a prizelist of cash,
merchandise...and cake: Sarah-made, outrageous cake, rich with the best
ingredients and care. I personally think cash is wonderful (besides the
cake)..."universal gift certificates."

Ride,
David

Richard Hogan wrote:
> Give away Cake
> It is "The Piece of Cake Road Race"
> You know like the Cherry Pie RR
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>

Richard Hogan

Give away Cake
It is "The Piece of Cake Road Race"
You know like the Cherry Pie RR

Harry Phinney

> Perhaps they should actually give out cake... I think it would super cool
to win a cake after a race.

Wait, I have an idea! Maybe we could get Sarah Auker to bake some cakes as
prizes. That would be new.

Harry Phinney

Note to people who weren't racing in Oregon is the '70s: David originally
promoted the race, and Sarah's cake prizes were originally the source of the
race's name.

cyclista

Not everyone who races is of age to consume alcoholic beverages, and
further, some of us who *are* of age choose not to drink alcohol for
whatever reason.

Let the prize(s) be something everyone can enjoy - cake, a free meal at a
restaurant, free entry to another race, gift certificate to a bike shop,
etc.

Regardless of what the prizes end up being, some people will be happy, while
others might not.

I'd say the best prize is one that can be consumed/used up in one way or
another - none of us need more junk laying around!

On Jan 8, 2008 8:34 PM, Isaac Harris wrote:

> I haven't heard any complaints from anyone who won beer or wine at cross
> crusade races.
> Also, free entry coupons to other events always seem cool to me. If you
> can't go you can pass it on to another rider.
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 8:23 PM, Debra Windus wrote:
>
> > You're right, Duncan. I actually use the bandannas to blow my nose on.
> > And a real cake (coconut please) would be awesome. I loved the cherry pie a
> > couple years ago.
> >
> >
> > * Duncan Hay * wrote:
> >
> > I think the best question is whether anyone actually wears or uses swag.
> > I can't think of any situation where I would wear a cotton bandana, let
> > alone some sort of ridiculous keychain or medal. Perhaps they should
> > actually give out cake... I think it would super cool to win a cake after a
> > race.
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2008 8:16 PM, Debra Windus wrote:
> >
> > > I think it's a great idea to put most of the money back to OBRA. That
> > > way it keeps our dues low & at the same time supports our chosen activity.
> > > T-shirts are gross. They look crappy on women and unless the design is super
> > > cool I wouldn't even give it away. I have seen a few nice designs on cotton
> > > bandanas that I thought made a nice souvenir. Or for Piece of Cake, maybe a
> > > small metal zipper pull in the shape of a cake ....
> > >
> > > *Ken Finch * wrote:
> > >
> > > Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this
> > > year and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a
> > > question for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.
> > >
> > > How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we
> > > provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all
> > > participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some
> > > of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?
> > >
> > > Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really
> > > race for the money?
> > >
> > > This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing
> > > specific in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we
> > > distribute stuff.
> > >
> > > Post away.
> > >
> > > Ken Finch
> > > Prestovelo
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Isaac Harris

I haven't heard any complaints from anyone who won beer or wine at cross
crusade races.
Also, free entry coupons to other events always seem cool to me. If you
can't go you can pass it on to another rider.

On Jan 8, 2008 8:23 PM, Debra Windus wrote:

> You're right, Duncan. I actually use the bandannas to blow my nose on.
> And a real cake (coconut please) would be awesome. I loved the cherry pie a
> couple years ago.
>
>
> *Duncan Hay * wrote:
>
> I think the best question is whether anyone actually wears or uses swag. I
> can't think of any situation where I would wear a cotton bandana, let alone
> some sort of ridiculous keychain or medal. Perhaps they should actually give
> out cake... I think it would super cool to win a cake after a race.
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 8:16 PM, Debra Windus wrote:
>
> > I think it's a great idea to put most of the money back to OBRA. That
> > way it keeps our dues low & at the same time supports our chosen activity.
> > T-shirts are gross. They look crappy on women and unless the design is super
> > cool I wouldn't even give it away. I have seen a few nice designs on cotton
> > bandanas that I thought made a nice souvenir. Or for Piece of Cake, maybe a
> > small metal zipper pull in the shape of a cake ....
> >
> > *Ken Finch * wrote:
> >
> > Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this
> > year and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a
> > question for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.
> >
> > How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we
> > provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all
> > participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some
> > of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?
> >
> > Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really
> > race for the money?
> >
> > This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing
> > specific in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we
> > distribute stuff.
> >
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Debra Windus

You're right, Duncan. I actually use the bandannas to blow my nose on. And a real cake (coconut please) would be awesome. I loved the cherry pie a couple years ago.

Duncan Hay wrote: I think the best question is whether anyone actually wears or uses swag. I can't think of any situation where I would wear a cotton bandana, let alone some sort of ridiculous keychain or medal. Perhaps they should actually give out cake... I think it would super cool to win a cake after a race.

On Jan 8, 2008 8:16 PM, Debra Windus wrote:
I think it's a great idea to put most of the money back to OBRA. That way it keeps our dues low & at the same time supports our chosen activity. T-shirts are gross. They look crappy on women and unless the design is super cool I wouldn't even give it away. I have seen a few nice designs on cotton bandanas that I thought made a nice souvenir. Or for Piece of Cake, maybe a small metal zipper pull in the shape of a cake ....

Ken Finch wrote: Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this year and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a question for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.

How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?

Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really race for the money?

This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing specific in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute stuff.

Post away.

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Duncan Hay

I think the best question is whether anyone actually wears or uses swag. I
can't think of any situation where I would wear a cotton bandana, let alone
some sort of ridiculous keychain or medal. Perhaps they should actually give
out cake... I think it would super cool to win a cake after a race.

On Jan 8, 2008 8:16 PM, Debra Windus wrote:

> I think it's a great idea to put most of the money back to OBRA. That way
> it keeps our dues low & at the same time supports our chosen activity.
> T-shirts are gross. They look crappy on women and unless the design is super
> cool I wouldn't even give it away. I have seen a few nice designs on cotton
> bandanas that I thought made a nice souvenir. Or for Piece of Cake, maybe a
> small metal zipper pull in the shape of a cake ....
>
> *Ken Finch * wrote:
>
> Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this year
> and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a question
> for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.
>
> How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we
> provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all
> participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some
> of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?
>
> Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really
> race for the money?
>
> This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing specific
> in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute
> stuff.
>
> Post away.
>
> Ken Finch
> Prestovelo
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Debra Windus

I think it's a great idea to put most of the money back to OBRA. That way it keeps our dues low & at the same time supports our chosen activity. T-shirts are gross. They look crappy on women and unless the design is super cool I wouldn't even give it away. I have seen a few nice designs on cotton bandanas that I thought made a nice souvenir. Or for Piece of Cake, maybe a small metal zipper pull in the shape of a cake ....

Ken Finch wrote: Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this year and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a question for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.

How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?

Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really race for the money?

This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing specific in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute stuff.

Post away.

Ken Finch
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Randy Dreiling

I have been on both sides of this issue has a racers (I know its been a couple years) and as a promoter for over 10 years on the Mt Bike side.

As Melissa said some people could care less about shirts, while others love shirts.
Personally I loved the shirts because I raced in a class that was not paid cash ever.

IF you do shirtsI would have them every year from here on out...I was lucky enough to get local room tax money or last year a sponsor to pay for shirts,I had shirts most years, the years I didn't have shirts people were upset because they became use to getting shirts. From a promoters side shirts are a nightmare...you never know how many, what sizes to get because so few people pre-reg...some years I would run out before everyone got one and other years I still have over 100 shirts from that year.

Good luck

Randy Dreiling

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From: Melissa Boyd
To: Rick Johnson
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Ken Finch
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 2:26:21 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Race Prizes question

Some categories, like Masters Women, really don't have money anyway. So, why do we race? Must be for the fun, the challenge, and the glory. It's certainly not for money or swag, though those are always nice.

If you can use your extra funds to add to the fun or the glory, that would be great. Cyclocross is a good example of "fun" racing: music, crowds, cheering, cowbells, Halloween costumes! (Can you figure out how to add fun to a road race? Just curious...) Seeing your name on a winner's list, trophies/medals/ribbons/certificates, podiums, OBRA points, race photos, media coverage, and race-specific mementos are good for glory and recognition.

If you give out swag, it should be a specific souvenir of the race that people will value. Otherwise, it seems that we just spent some of our entry fee on buying stuff that we probably don't need (more water bottles, energy bars, and blinky lights??) Lots of people really don't need or don't wear printed cotton T-shirts, so it's a nice gesture but rather wasteful. I personally don't want T-shirts.

I would favor keeping the prize list fairly deep (the recognition factor), but keeping the monetary value low. I personally would value a 10th-place medal or ribbon far more than a handful of swag or a T-shirt.

Melissa

On 1/8/08, Rick Johnson wrote:
As someone who never finishes in the money anyway I'm not sure more swag
is all that attractive as an alternative. I received my fair share over
the years but the unfortunate part is it's all too often something I
didn't really need or already had plenty of. Chain lube, tires, beer and
coffee mugs are but a few examples.
So with that in mind cash is good because it can be used on anything.
Some sort of gift certificate would also be a nice option. A free or
discounted entry to another race might be nice (if it was transferable
in case I couldn't make it). A T-shirt is cool too, I'll just add it to
the other hundreds I have from other events...

And to answer the question directly - no, I don't race for the prizes.

Rick

Ken Finch wrote:

>Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this year and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a question for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.
>
>How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?
>
>Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really race for the money?
>
>This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing specific in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute stuff.
>
>Post away.
>
>Ken Finch
>Prestovelo
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Some categories, like Masters Women, really don't have money anyway. So, why
do we race? Must be for the fun, the challenge, and the glory. It's
certainly not for money or swag, though those are always nice.

If you can use your extra funds to add to the fun or the glory, that would
be great. Cyclocross is a good example of "fun" racing: music, crowds,
cheering, cowbells, Halloween costumes! (Can you figure out how to add fun
to a road race? Just curious...) Seeing your name on a winner's list,
trophies/medals/ribbons/certificates, podiums, OBRA points, race photos,
media coverage, and race-specific mementos are good for glory and
recognition.

If you give out swag, it should be a specific souvenir of the race that
people will value. Otherwise, it seems that we just spent some of our entry
fee on buying stuff that we probably don't need (more water bottles, energy
bars, and blinky lights??) Lots of people really don't need or don't wear
printed cotton T-shirts, so it's a nice gesture but rather wasteful. I
personally don't want T-shirts.

I would favor keeping the prize list fairly deep (the recognition factor),
but keeping the monetary value low. I personally would value a 10th-place
medal or ribbon far more than a handful of swag or a T-shirt.

Melissa

On 1/8/08, Rick Johnson wrote:
>
> As someone who never finishes in the money anyway I'm not sure more swag
> is all that attractive as an alternative. I received my fair share over
> the years but the unfortunate part is it's all too often something I
> didn't really need or already had plenty of. Chain lube, tires, beer and
> coffee mugs are but a few examples.
> So with that in mind cash is good because it can be used on anything.
> Some sort of gift certificate would also be a nice option. A free or
> discounted entry to another race might be nice (if it was transferable
> in case I couldn't make it). A T-shirt is cool too, I'll just add it to
> the other hundreds I have from other events...
>
> And to answer the question directly - no, I don't race for the prizes.
>
> Rick
>
> Ken Finch wrote:
>
> >Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this year
> and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a question
> for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.
> >
> >How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we
> provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all
> participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some
> of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?
> >
> >Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really
> race for the money?
> >
> >This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing specific
> in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute
> stuff.
> >
> >Post away.
> >
> >Ken Finch
> >Prestovelo
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Rick Johnson

As someone who never finishes in the money anyway I'm not sure more swag
is all that attractive as an alternative. I received my fair share over
the years but the unfortunate part is it's all too often something I
didn't really need or already had plenty of. Chain lube, tires, beer and
coffee mugs are but a few examples.
So with that in mind cash is good because it can be used on anything.
Some sort of gift certificate would also be a nice option. A free or
discounted entry to another race might be nice (if it was transferable
in case I couldn't make it). A T-shirt is cool too, I'll just add it to
the other hundreds I have from other events...

And to answer the question directly - no, I don't race for the prizes.

Rick

Ken Finch wrote:

>Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this year and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a question for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.
>
>How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?
>
>Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really race for the money?
>
>This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing specific in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute stuff.
>
>Post away.
>
>Ken Finch
>Prestovelo
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Ken Finch

Prestovelo will be putting on the Piece of Cake Road Race again this year and we are in the process of putting together the details. Here's a question for everyone regarding prizes and prize distribution.

How would everyone feel if the prize list was reduced and instead we provided a higher level of swag for everyone? Maybe free t-shirts for all participants plus some other, unspecified swag? Or how about if we put some of the prize money fund back into OBRA as a fundraiser?

Do people really come to races for the prizes? Do the Cat 1/2's really race for the money?

This is all quite hypothetical at this point and we have nothing specific in mind, but people's responses might very well effect how we distribute stuff.

Post away.

Ken Finch
Prestovelo