Racing observations

Candi Murray

2000-04-18

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:08:31 -0700



Bill,



I'm sorry to hear about what happened. Were you the one with the sling on

his

 shoulder? As the official, I meant to come over and find out what

happened, but

 assumed it was simply operator error (no offense intended). I crashed

hard at

 Mudslinger last week due to operator error and landed in the ER needing some

stitches. (I was the one with the limp selling licenses at the Chainbreaker.

<GRIN>)



You are correct in your assessment of the situation. The rider was not

passing

 safely and they should have stopped to see how you were. As a racer, when

I see

 people crash, I can usually tell if they are alright before they really

even get

 up. I have also stopped to help downed riders. It's a judgement call. If I

caused another person to go down, then I would most certainly stop. In fact,

the incident you describe would most certainly qualify for a disqualification

from the race and possibly a suspension. This sort of behavior is totally

unacceptable. If we had more course officials to police this, we could

put some

 teeth into the rules. It's unfortunate that racers don't act responsibly

without the threat of punishment.



Please let me know if someone comes forward so that I may address them

personally. I wish there was more that I could do.



Regards, Jim Fischer, OBRA ATB Representative



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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:00:21 -0700



I recently had the pleasure and the pain of competing in my first

Mountain Bike race. "The Chainbreaker". I say pleasure because for most

of the race I really did enjoy it. I say pain because approximately 2

miles from the end someone wiped me out from behind and left me laying

face down in the dirt.



I would like to thank the Medic there and the staff for the quality care

I received when I reached the finish line. Without them it would have

been a lot worse than it was. I realize that wipe outs are a part of

racing, both non assisted and assisted. And I know it truely was an

accident. I just want to make a couple of general observations that may

help make the sport more enjoyable for all.



First, the injury I sustained is serious enough to keep me off the job

for at least two weeks so I do not feel that it was trivial. I would not

be wasting your time if it were.



Second, as nearly as I can figure out the other person involved was one

of the Pro riders. I say this because the person who came along a few

minutes later said that the person who must have been involved almost

caused them to wipe out as well and no one else came along in between. I

was unable to even move enough to where I could attempt to see the

license number.



Third, this individual left me laying in the dirt without any apparent

regard as to whether or not I was even alive. I say this because I did

hear a "are you okey" called out to which I was unable to answer. For

all this person knew I could have been seriously hurt as I was not doing

much moving. I had to lay there for several minutes before I could do

much of that.



Now, my points to all this in case anyone is still reading. The accident

and injury are to be expected in a sport such as this. I have no problem

with that. It is one of the risks. But any person with an ounce of

morality would feel obligated to stop and see if I were indeed allright,

especially if they were partly to blame for the accident. What happened

may be condoned in other sports, but should not be tolerated in this

sport. When you have a sport in which everyone from Pro to Beginner are

mixing on the same course then it is partly up to the "experts" to make

sure what someone in front is going to do before trying to pass. I am

sure the other individual involved has managed to rationalize the

accident to have been entirely my fault as he has not apparently come

forward. But the fact remains that it was probably both our faults. I

heard him call out "Track" but could not determinw where he was. As I

was already almost all the way to the right I thought that he was

attempting to pass on the left so I was moving entirely off the right so

he could pass. Unfortunately he was attempting to pass on the right

where there was not enough room to begin with.



Which brings up my next point. There was plenty of room to pass safely

just a few feet up the track. Apparently this individual just could not

wait a few seconds to make sure he could get safely by. Since this sport

mixes us all into the same race, it also becomes the responsibilty of

the rider passing from behind to make sure that it can be done with

safety. Quite frankly, I was attempting as best I could to yield the

course at the time of the accident.



And lastly, I was talking to someone after the race before I made it to

the aid station an upon hearing what had happened to me I got the

response that the sport was pretty "cut throat" among the money riders.

And this attitude should not be tolerated by any of us. As beginners, we

pay our money to race just as everyone else does. And this gives us just

as much right to be there as anyone. As in any sport, if it were not for

us there would be no prize money for these people to win. Who would be

willing to sponser a race to which only a handful of people showed up

for?



I have no problems with the people who put on this race. I do, however,

have a problem with the "jerk" who helped contribute to the accident and

then left me laying there without stoping to see if I was badly injured.

We don't need this kind of person in this sport. If you see someone go

down you stop and render any assistence if it is needed. "Especially" if

there is no one else around at the time to help out and you were also

involved.



I am sorry if I have bored any of you with this long letter. It is just

that I will be racing again and I would like to seethis kind of thing

removed from the sport. And if anyone thinks I am whining and

complaining my e-mail address is listed below and you can 'flame" me all

you want.



BTW, I did manage to finish my first Mountain Bike race. And I will be

back, hopefully by the end of next month. Even with my injury I enjoyed

the race and for the most part it was a positive experience. Thank you

for your time.



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Candi Murray

2000-04-18

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I was wondering if the poor fellow who was "crashed" at the Chainbreaker

race would speak up. I did not see the crash but almost everyone at the race

knows who it was. I will not mention names as I was not a wittness. However

the same individual almost took out a team mate of mine (John Gorman). I

deplore this type of riding and if it happens at my race (Pickett's Charge)

I will not hesitate to disqualify the rider. I will also be observing this

individual at any race I am at to see if it is a pattern.

Don Leet



Candi Murray

2000-04-18

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Subject: Racing observations

From: "Bill Leeper" <wlee-@newportnet.com>

Reply-To: wlee-@newportnet.com

Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:00:21 -0700



I recently had the pleasure and the pain of competing in my first

Mountain Bike race. "The Chainbreaker". I say pleasure because for most

of the race I really did enjoy it. I say pain because approximately 2

miles from the end someone wiped me out from behind and left me laying

face down in the dirt.



I would like to thank the Medic there and the staff for the quality care

I received when I reached the finish line. Without them it would have

been a lot worse than it was. I realize that wipe outs are a part of

racing, both non assisted and assisted. And I know it truely was an

accident. I just want to make a couple of general observations that may

help make the sport more enjoyable for all.



First, the injury I sustained is serious enough to keep me off the job

for at least two weeks so I do not feel that it was trivial. I would not

be wasting your time if it were.



Second, as nearly as I can figure out the other person involved was one

of the Pro riders. I say this because the person who came along a few

minutes later said that the person who must have been involved almost

caused them to wipe out as well and no one else came along in between. I

was unable to even move enough to where I could attempt to see the

license number.



Third, this individual left me laying in the dirt without any apparent

regard as to whether or not I was even alive. I say this because I did

hear a "are you okey" called out to which I was unable to answer. For

all this person knew I could have been seriously hurt as I was not doing

much moving. I had to lay there for several minutes before I could do

much of that.



Now, my points to all this in case anyone is still reading. The accident

and injury are to be expected in a sport such as this. I have no problem

with that. It is one of the risks. But any person with an ounce of

morality would feel obligated to stop and see if I were indeed allright,

especially if they were partly to blame for the accident. What happened

may be condoned in other sports, but should not be tolerated in this

sport. When you have a sport in which everyone from Pro to Beginner are

mixing on the same course then it is partly up to the "experts" to make

sure what someone in front is going to do before trying to pass. I am

sure the other individual involved has managed to rationalize the

accident to have been entirely my fault as he has not apparently come

forward. But the fact remains that it was probably both our faults. I

heard him call out "Track" but could not determinw where he was. As I

was already almost all the way to the right I thought that he was

attempting to pass on the left so I was moving entirely off the right so

he could pass. Unfortunately he was attempting to pass on the right

where there was not enough room to begin with.



Which brings up my next point. There was plenty of room to pass safely

just a few feet up the track. Apparently this individual just could not

wait a few seconds to make sure he could get safely by. Since this sport

mixes us all into the same race, it also becomes the responsibilty of

the rider passing from behind to make sure that it can be done with

safety. Quite frankly, I was attempting as best I could to yield the

course at the time of the accident.



And lastly, I was talking to someone after the race before I made it to

the aid station an upon hearing what had happened to me I got the

response that the sport was pretty "cut throat" among the money riders.

And this attitude should not be tolerated by any of us. As beginners, we

pay our money to race just as everyone else does. And this gives us just

as much right to be there as anyone. As in any sport, if it were not for

us there would be no prize money for these people to win. Who would be

willing to sponser a race to which only a handful of people showed up

for?



I have no problems with the people who put on this race. I do, however,

have a problem with the "jerk" who helped contribute to the accident and

then left me laying there without stoping to see if I was badly injured.

We don't need this kind of person in this sport. If you see someone go

down you stop and render any assistence if it is needed. "Especially" if

there is no one else around at the time to help out and you were also

involved.



I am sorry if I have bored any of you with this long letter. It is just

that I will be racing again and I would like to seethis kind of thing

removed from the sport. And if anyone thinks I am whining and

complaining my e-mail address is listed below and you can 'flame" me all

you want.



BTW, I did manage to finish my first Mountain Bike race. And I will be

back, hopefully by the end of next month. Even with my injury I enjoyed

the race and for the most part it was a positive experience. Thank you

for your time.



Bill Leeper P-II powered by non MS OS

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