08 Oakridge FTF canceled

david baker

2008-01-27

That race was during the 90's when xc racing was the new fad, ten years from now people will be trying to figure out how to bring cross back to it's glory.
You cannot stop or start fads intentionally, unfortunately.
----- Original Message -----
From: John and Robin McCaffrey
To: 'Obra List serve'
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

I just found results for the '98 Dustslinger. It occurred on 09-06-98. It was a holiday weekend, at the end of the summer and

yet there were 54 finishers in the expert classes and 50 in the sport. It was 32 miles and it was ONE lap. No, it was not a spectator friendly course but it was fun.

Only the top 6 Experts finished in under 3 hours. The Sports (men and women) also raced the long course and only the top 26 finished under 4 hours.

I wonder if the races would be better attended if they were longer and more difficult; especially during the mid to late summer.

Maybe racers are more likely to drive 3 hours if they know the race will be great experience and last at least half as long as the total hours of driving required.

I don't remember what the draw was for so many to show up at the Dustslinger. I do remember (even though I didn't have anything to drink from a long ways out) it was long,

hot, dusty and fun at the same time.

I hope some of the people who raced a bike for the first time at a 'cross race will

want to try racing in the dirt in the spring and summer too I but don't remember seeing any advertising for mtb races at a 'cross race.

Do the first time racers at the 'cross races know we have great mtbing too?

John McCaffrey

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Steve Lacey
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:25 AM
To: Obra List serve
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Sorry to hear the unfortunate news.
I wonder why the series takes some of the nastiest part of Oregon's season to stage its races when some of the best weather on the planet occurs in Oregon during July and August.

I would prefer some XC races in August to keep my fitness up for cross season rather than having three months off to maintain fitness.

The Oakridge race venues are some of the best courses I have raced on in my 20 years of racing mountain bikes.

To bad, Mike Ripley take note.

Steve

----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Dreiling
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:46:22 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Hi All

I am sad to say the 2008 Oakridge FTF has been canceled.

The series asked if the FTF could move to the end of May because the series now run March-mid June( the FTF use to be held in July), but the forest service has not OKed the date change, because they are worried about owls mating and wet trails.

Since I know people will ask why not still have the race in July, my answer is....
I am NOT putting down Cycle Cross I am simply noting as a promoter of 10+ years that , With the increased popularity of Cycle Cross, Mt Bike racers tend to not race as much in the Summer now, this has been proven by the decrease in race numbers over the last couple years for Summer races(Spring races are still doing OK), while it is great Cycle Cross is growing and clearly Cycle Cross is more spectator and family friendly, the downside is the Cross Country Mt Bike race season has changed and basically if you have a race after mid June or are not part of the series, the number of racers drops WAY down at your event.

I hope to work with the Forest Service to host the FTF in 2009.

It has been a real honor hosting the racers over the last 10 years and I miss not hosting a race in 2008.

Take care

Randy Dreiling

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John and Robin McCaffrey

2008-01-26

I just found results for the '98 Dustslinger. It occurred on 09-06-98. It
was a holiday weekend, at the end of the summer and

yet there were 54 finishers in the expert classes and 50 in the sport. It
was 32 miles and it was ONE lap. No, it was not a spectator friendly course
but it was fun.

Only the top 6 Experts finished in under 3 hours. The Sports (men and
women) also raced the long course and only the top 26 finished under 4
hours.

I wonder if the races would be better attended if they were longer and more
difficult; especially during the mid to late summer.

Maybe racers are more likely to drive 3 hours if they know the race will be
great experience and last at least half as long as the total hours of
driving required.

I don't remember what the draw was for so many to show up at the
Dustslinger. I do remember (even though I didn't have anything to drink
from a long ways out) it was long,

hot, dusty and fun at the same time.

I hope some of the people who raced a bike for the first time at a 'cross
race will

want to try racing in the dirt in the spring and summer too I but don't
remember seeing any advertising for mtb races at a 'cross race.

Do the first time racers at the 'cross races know we have great mtbing too?

John McCaffrey

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Lacey
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:25 AM
To: Obra List serve
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Sorry to hear the unfortunate news.
I wonder why the series takes some of the nastiest part of Oregon's season
to stage its races when some of the best weather on the planet occurs in
Oregon during July and August.

I would prefer some XC races in August to keep my fitness up for cross
season rather than having three months off to maintain fitness.

The Oakridge race venues are some of the best courses I have raced on in my
20 years of racing mountain bikes.

To bad, Mike Ripley take note.

Steve

----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Dreiling
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:46:22 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Hi All

I am sad to say the 2008 Oakridge FTF has been canceled.

The series asked if the FTF could move to the end of May because the series
now run March-mid June( the FTF use to be held in July), but the forest
service has not OKed the date change, because they are worried about owls
mating and wet trails.

Since I know people will ask why not still have the race in July, my answer
is....
I am NOT putting down Cycle Cross I am simply noting as a promoter of 10+
years that , With the increased popularity of Cycle Cross, Mt Bike racers
tend to not race as much in the Summer now, this has been proven by the
decrease in race numbers over the last couple years for Summer races(Spring
races are still doing OK), while it is great Cycle Cross is growing and
clearly Cycle Cross is more spectator and family friendly, the downside is
the Cross Country Mt Bike race season has changed and basically if you have
a race after mid June or are not part of the series, the number of racers
drops WAY down at your event.

I hope to work with the Forest Service to host the FTF in 2009.

It has been a real honor hosting the racers over the last 10 years and I
miss not hosting a race in 2008.

Take care

Randy Dreiling


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Evan Plews

2008-01-26

Just my 2 cents worth... Oregon racing numbers suffer in all disaplines in the summer. I have heard lots of theories on why but I have my own:

Everyone is excited to race after our ridiculous winter weather, so they go on some crash training plan to get ready for the first races in February, March or April with no real base fitness. This of course is compounded by racing cross until December and not having any time to rest/recover.

Generally people ride too hard in trying to prepare for the schedule and the racing is stressful, cold and wet. Physiologically most NW racers are a wreck by June. They are suffering from overtraining plain a simple. Who wants to race when they know they are going to suck? Mentally they are not much better off because most of the races have been muddy and not much fun. They have already had to re-fit their bikes at least 3-4 times because the conditions have wrecked them, too.

To me it is totally counter-intuitive to have any series or incentive to race until the end of May. We all know that the best weather is June-September.

Typically I ride base and build training through April so that I can avoid being cooked during the summer. Even so, it is still a long season and my results usually suffer during 'cross because of it. My priorty is summer MTB so that is a compromise I have to make, though.

The bottom line is that our bodies can only be top-notch for a couple months at a time before needing significant rest and re-conditioning. Recently in Oregon this means April/May and October/November for most of us. Of course this is exagerated by lack of aerobic fitness and crash training.

Guess the old saying holds true... "Fast in February--Fried in July"

C ya at the races!

EP

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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:25:02 -0800
From: lacey_sr@yahoo.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Sorry to hear the unfortunate news.
I wonder why the series takes some of the nastiest part of Oregon's season to stage its races when some of the best weather on the planet occurs in Oregon during July and August.

I would prefer some XC races in August to keep my fitness up for cross season rather than having three months off to maintain fitness.

The Oakridge race venues are some of the best courses I have raced on in my 20 years of racing mountain bikes.

To bad, Mike Ripley take note.

Steve

----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Dreiling
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:46:22 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Hi All

I am sad to say the 2008 Oakridge FTF has been canceled.

The series asked if the FTF could move to the end of May because the series now run March-mid June( the FTF use to be held in July), but the forest service has not OKed the date change, because they are worried about owls mating and wet trails.

Since I know people will ask why not still have the race in July, my answer is....
I am NOT putting down Cycle Cross I am simply noting as a promoter of 10+ years that , With the increased popularity of Cycle Cross, Mt Bike racers tend to not race as much in the Summer now, this has been proven by the decrease in race numbers over the last couple years for Summer races(Spring races are still doing OK), while it is great Cycle Cross is growing and clearly Cycle Cross is more spectator and family friendly, the downside is the Cross Country Mt Bike race season has changed and basically if you have a race after mid June or are not part of the series, the number of racers drops WAY down at your event.

I hope to work with the Forest Service to host the FTF in 2009.

It has been a real honor hosting the racers over the last 10 years and I miss not hosting a race in 2008.

Take care

Randy Dreiling

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2008-01-26

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Couldn't agree more, Steve.
Seems like the MTB promoters are taking their cues from the political
primaries, and trying to get it all over with before the trails dry out
too much. The current OBRA schedule has 7 mountain bike races before
June 1. After June 1, there are three actual XC races and two endurance
races (creampuff and test of endurance), which are slightly different
animals. While I enjoy a muddy race, I also like to ride on dry trails
once in awhile and there are virtually no races during the dry season
anymore. The land managers also prefer to run races when there's less
chance of severe trail damage, although I know we do run into fire
danger if we wait too late in the year.


 


I for one am very sorry to see
any mountain bike races go away, especially one as fun as Oakridge. I
also wonder who "the series" is who asked Randy to move his race
earlier; I'm not sure whose interests such a move would benefit. If you
truly want to marginalize mountain biking, this seems like a good way
to do it; new riders won't be back if their first experience is a
5-hour mudslinger in April, nor will they recruit their friends to do
it next time.



 

I can also respect the argument
of the promoters who say they just don't get the turnout when they run
races later in the summer; however, I wonder how much of that is
because they've started their season so early; I guess the only way to
find out would be to start later and see what happens, and that's not
easy unless the other promoters all agree to wait too.


 


I
sure will miss mountain bike racing.



 

Craig Austin






From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of
Steve Lacey

Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:25 AM

To: Obra List serve

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled





Sorry
to hear the unfortunate news.

I wonder why the series takes some of the nastiest part of Oregon's
season to stage its races when some of the best weather on the planet
occurs in Oregon during July and August. 



I would prefer some XC races in August to keep my fitness up for cross
season rather than having three months off to maintain fitness.



The Oakridge race venues are some of the best courses I have raced on
in my 20 years of racing mountain bikes. 



To bad, Mike Ripley take note.



Steve



-----
Original Message ----

From: Randy Dreiling <raggy23@yahoo.com>

To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:46:22 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled



Hi All



I am sad to say the 2008 Oakridge FTF has been canceled.



The series asked if the FTF could move to the end of May because the
series now run March-mid June( the FTF use to be held in July), but the
forest service has not OKed the date change, because they are worried
about owls mating and wet trails.



Since I know people will ask why not still have the race in July, my
answer is....

I am NOT putting down Cycle Cross I am simply noting as a promoter of
10+ years that , With the increased popularity of Cycle Cross, Mt Bike
racers tend to not race as much in the Summer now, this has been proven
by the decrease in race numbers over the last couple years for Summer
races(Spring races are still doing OK), while it is great Cycle Cross
is growing and clearly Cycle Cross is more spectator and family
friendly, the downside is the Cross Country Mt Bike race season has
changed and basically if you have a race after mid June or are not part
of the series, the number of racers drops WAY down at your event.



I hope to work with the Forest Service to host the FTF in 2009.



It has been a real honor hosting the racers over the last 10 years and
I miss not hosting a race in 2008.



Take care





Randy Dreiling





     
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I noticed that the July Mt. Hood National
Marathon MTB Race was canceled as well. I was looking forward to an
endurance race in my sector of the woods.


Paul Greenwalt

2008-01-26

I agree with everything that has been said...and I to will miss one of Oregon's best MTB races...I guess it's all the more reason to go to MTB Oregon!

I'm not sure why "the series" cannot be used to benefit all MTB races that want to participate. I imagine one of the goals of "the series" is to promote all MTB races in Oregon...any chance of a spring and summer series?

-Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Austin
To: Steve Lacey ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Couldn't agree more, Steve. Seems like the MTB promoters are taking their cues from the political primaries, and trying to get it all over with before the trails dry out too much. The current OBRA schedule has 7 mountain bike races before June 1. After June 1, there are three actual XC races and two endurance races (creampuff and test of endurance), which are slightly different animals. While I enjoy a muddy race, I also like to ride on dry trails once in awhile and there are virtually no races during the dry season anymore. The land managers also prefer to run races when there's less chance of severe trail damage, although I know we do run into fire danger if we wait too late in the year.

I for one am very sorry to see any mountain bike races go away, especially one as fun as Oakridge. I also wonder who "the series" is who asked Randy to move his race earlier; I'm not sure whose interests such a move would benefit. If you truly want to marginalize mountain biking, this seems like a good way to do it; new riders won't be back if their first experience is a 5-hour mudslinger in April, nor will they recruit their friends to do it next time.

I can also respect the argument of the promoters who say they just don't get the turnout when they run races later in the summer; however, I wonder how much of that is because they've started their season so early; I guess the only way to find out would be to start later and see what happens, and that's not easy unless the other promoters all agree to wait too.

I sure will miss mountain bike racing.

Craig Austin

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Steve Lacey
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:25 AM
To: Obra List serve
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Sorry to hear the unfortunate news.
I wonder why the series takes some of the nastiest part of Oregon's season to stage its races when some of the best weather on the planet occurs in Oregon during July and August.

I would prefer some XC races in August to keep my fitness up for cross season rather than having three months off to maintain fitness.

The Oakridge race venues are some of the best courses I have raced on in my 20 years of racing mountain bikes.

To bad, Mike Ripley take note.

Steve

----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Dreiling
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:46:22 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Hi All

I am sad to say the 2008 Oakridge FTF has been canceled.

The series asked if the FTF could move to the end of May because the series now run March-mid June( the FTF use to be held in July), but the forest service has not OKed the date change, because they are worried about owls mating and wet trails.

Since I know people will ask why not still have the race in July, my answer is....
I am NOT putting down Cycle Cross I am simply noting as a promoter of 10+ years that , With the increased popularity of Cycle Cross, Mt Bike racers tend to not race as much in the Summer now, this has been proven by the decrease in race numbers over the last couple years for Summer races(Spring races are still doing OK), while it is great Cycle Cross is growing and clearly Cycle Cross is more spectator and family friendly, the downside is the Cross Country Mt Bike race season has changed and basically if you have a race after mid June or are not part of the series, the number of racers drops WAY down at your event.

I hope to work with the Forest Service to host the FTF in 2009.

It has been a real honor hosting the racers over the last 10 years and I miss not hosting a race in 2008.

Take care

Randy Dreiling

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Craig Austin

2008-01-26

Couldn't agree more, Steve. Seems like the MTB promoters are taking
their cues from the political primaries, and trying to get it all over
with before the trails dry out too much. The current OBRA schedule has 7
mountain bike races before June 1. After June 1, there are three actual
XC races and two endurance races (creampuff and test of endurance),
which are slightly different animals. While I enjoy a muddy race, I also
like to ride on dry trails once in awhile and there are virtually no
races during the dry season anymore. The land managers also prefer to
run races when there's less chance of severe trail damage, although I
know we do run into fire danger if we wait too late in the year.

I for one am very sorry to see any mountain bike races go away,
especially one as fun as Oakridge. I also wonder who "the series" is who
asked Randy to move his race earlier; I'm not sure whose interests such
a move would benefit. If you truly want to marginalize mountain biking,
this seems like a good way to do it; new riders won't be back if their
first experience is a 5-hour mudslinger in April, nor will they recruit
their friends to do it next time.

I can also respect the argument of the promoters who say they just don't
get the turnout when they run races later in the summer; however, I
wonder how much of that is because they've started their season so
early; I guess the only way to find out would be to start later and see
what happens, and that's not easy unless the other promoters all agree
to wait too.

I sure will miss mountain bike racing.

Craig Austin

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Lacey
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:25 AM
To: Obra List serve
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Sorry to hear the unfortunate news.
I wonder why the series takes some of the nastiest part of Oregon's
season to stage its races when some of the best weather on the planet
occurs in Oregon during July and August.

I would prefer some XC races in August to keep my fitness up for cross
season rather than having three months off to maintain fitness.

The Oakridge race venues are some of the best courses I have raced on in
my 20 years of racing mountain bikes.

To bad, Mike Ripley take note.

Steve

----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Dreiling
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:46:22 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Hi All

I am sad to say the 2008 Oakridge FTF has been canceled.

The series asked if the FTF could move to the end of May because the
series now run March-mid June( the FTF use to be held in July), but the
forest service has not OKed the date change, because they are worried
about owls mating and wet trails.

Since I know people will ask why not still have the race in July, my
answer is....
I am NOT putting down Cycle Cross I am simply noting as a promoter of
10+ years that , With the increased popularity of Cycle Cross, Mt Bike
racers tend to not race as much in the Summer now, this has been proven
by the decrease in race numbers over the last couple years for Summer
races(Spring races are still doing OK), while it is great Cycle Cross is
growing and clearly Cycle Cross is more spectator and family friendly,
the downside is the Cross Country Mt Bike race season has changed and
basically if you have a race after mid June or are not part of the
series, the number of racers drops WAY down at your event.

I hope to work with the Forest Service to host the FTF in 2009.

It has been a real honor hosting the racers over the last 10 years and I
miss not hosting a race in 2008.

Take care

Randy Dreiling


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Steve Lacey

2008-01-26

Sorry to hear the unfortunate news.
I wonder why the series takes some of the nastiest part of Oregon's season to stage its races when some of the best weather on the planet occurs in Oregon during July and August.

I would prefer some XC races in August to keep my fitness up for cross season rather than having three months off to maintain fitness.

The Oakridge race venues are some of the best courses I have raced on in my 20 years of racing mountain bikes.

To bad, Mike Ripley take note.

Steve

----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Dreiling
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:46:22 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 08 Oakridge FTF canceled

Hi
All

I
am
sad
to
say
the
2008
Oakridge
FTF
has
been
canceled.

The
series
asked
if
the
FTF
could
move
to
the
end
of
May
because
the
series
now
run
March-mid
June(
the
FTF
use
to
be
held
in
July),
but
the
forest
service
has
not
OKed
the
date
change,
because
they
are
worried
about
owls
mating
and
wet
trails.

Since
I
know
people
will
ask
why
not
still
have
the
race
in
July,
my
answer
is....
I
am
NOT
putting
down
Cycle
Cross
I
am
simply
noting
as
a
promoter
of
10+
years
that
,
With
the
increased
popularity
of
Cycle
Cross,
Mt
Bike
racers
tend
to
not
race
as
much
in
the
Summer
now,
this
has
been
proven
by
the
decrease
in
race
numbers
over
the
last
couple
years
for
Summer
races(Spring
races
are
still
doing
OK),
while
it
is
great
Cycle
Cross
is
growing
and
clearly
Cycle
Cross
is
more
spectator
and
family
friendly,
the
downside
is
the
Cross
Country
Mt
Bike
race
season
has
changed
and
basically
if
you
have
a
race
after
mid
June
or
are
not
part
of
the
series,
the
number
of
racers
drops
WAY
down
at
your
event.

I
hope
to
work
with
the
Forest
Service
to
host
the
FTF
in
2009.

It
has
been
a
real
honor
hosting
the
racers
over
the
last
10
years
and
I
miss
not
hosting
a
race
in
2008.

Take
care


Randy
Dreiling




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Randy Dreiling

2008-01-25

Hi All

I am sad to say the 2008 Oakridge FTF has been canceled.

The series asked if the FTF could move to the end of May because the series now run March-mid June( the FTF use to be held in July), but the forest service has not OKed the date change, because they are worried about owls mating and wet trails.

Since I know people will ask why not still have the race in July, my answer is....
I am NOT putting down Cycle Cross I am simply noting as a promoter of 10+ years that , With the increased popularity of Cycle Cross, Mt Bike racers tend to not race as much in the Summer now, this has been proven by the decrease in race numbers over the last couple years for Summer races(Spring races are still doing OK), while it is great Cycle Cross is growing and clearly Cycle Cross is more spectator and family friendly, the downside is the Cross Country Mt Bike race season has changed and basically if you have a race after mid June or are not part of the series, the number of racers drops WAY down at your event.

I hope to work with the Forest Service to host the FTF in 2009.

It has been a real honor hosting the racers over the last 10 years and I miss not hosting a race in 2008.

Take care


Randy Dreiling

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