Don Leet
The thing about Dave Grey is never drank any liquids, water or anything.
When I was trying to become a step better in mountain biking my first goal
was to always be ahead of Dave. That took two years of serious training.
Good memories.
The other good memory is realizing the Brody of today was Brody the junior.
How did it happen that the old juniors are now in the 40+ masters group?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brody Anderson"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Digest, Vol 25, Issue 35
> Re: Old races and older racers
> Wow, hearing about the old races makes my knees hurt. The Boss was a
> sadistic day in the saddle. Dave Grey, The Mailman, could put any SS
> racer
> of today to shame. He passed me at mile 65 in The Boss wearing corduroy
> pants and rubber boots (it was a muddy day) on platform pedals. He patted
> me on the back and rode off. At the time I believe he was late 50's or
> early 60's(?). Thanks everyone for the memory lane races. FYI, Tom
> Pickett
> was also in attendance and angry as ever.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of obra-request@list.obra.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:00 PM
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> 4. (no subject)
> 5. Re: MTB in Summer (Anthony Cree)
> 6. Oldest mtb race (Mike Ripley)
> 7. Re: Oldest mtb race (Don Leet)
> 8. Jamis 2.0 XLT (Roger Wimberly)
> 9. Re: Oldest mtb race (Evan Plews)
> 10. Re: Oldest mtb race (Brian Engelen)
> 11. Re: Oldest mtb race (Buck, Jeffrey A)
> 12. sokol blosser (Don Leet)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:55:53 -0800
> From: "Brody Anderson"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Digest, Vol 25, Issue 34
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> Oldest race? Skinners Butte, in Eugene? Or Coast Hills Classic in Toledo;
> 100 miles of pain?
>
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> 1. Re: Summer XC race numbers (Randy Dreiling)
> 2. Re: Sat/Sun. Racing (Erik Long)
> 3. MTB in Summer (Chris Brandt)
> 4. Re: Summer XC race numbers (Randy Dreiling)
> 5. Crank arms for sale (Dave Campbell)
> 6. Re: MTB in Summer (Randy Dreiling)
> 7. Re: MTB in Summer (Todd.Dye@CH2M.com)
> 8. Re: MTB in Summer (Randy Dreiling)
> 9. Re: MTB in SUMMER! (Erik Long)
> 10. Re: MTB in SUMMER! (Brian Baumann)
> 11. Re: MTB in SUMMER! (Randy Dreiling)
> 12. Re: MTB in SUMMER! (Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team)
> 13. Old XC races (Randy Dreiling)
> 14. Re: Sat/Sun. Racing (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
> 15. Re: Old XC races (Eric Kytola)
> 16. Re: Old XC races (Randy Dreiling)
> 17. Re: Old XC races (Dan H)
> 18. Re: Sat/Sun. Racing (Brian Engelen)
> 19. Re: Old XC races (Randy Dreiling)
> 20. Re: Old XC races (Erik Long)
> 21. Re: Old XC races (Robert Burney)
> 22. Re: Old XC races (David Auker)
> 23. FOR SALE: Ksyrium Elite (Tre Hendricks)
> 24. Re: Old XC races (darellp@easystreet.net)
> 25. Bike For Sale (Michael Nyberg)
> 26. Doug at TOC (David Saltzberg)
> 27. Re: Doug at TOC (David Saltzberg)
> 28. Fwd: Fw: Old XC races (Darell C. Provencher)
> 29. Re: Old XC races (Joe Cipale)
> 30. Re: Old XC races (Randy Dreiling)
> 31. Officials (T. Kenji Sugahara)
> 32. Update 2: Fun and Exciting (T. Kenji Sugahara)
> 33. Lynskey Frame maker visits Sunset Cycles - 2/7 (Jim Anderson)
> 34. Bike Frame for sale (rob mccarthy)
> 35. WTB - Child's Tandem Stoker Kit (Eric Hopper)
> 36. Lynskey Event (Karleta Reierson)
> 37. Re: xc racing (Andy Vaughn)
> 38. ISO: wee rider (Jason A. Skelton)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:14:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Dreiling
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
> To: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team ,
> obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <456029.82543.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> Pretty sure that event went away because of permit issue's.
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:46:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
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> Can we do it on Saturday :)
>
> Cliff
>
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:50:26 +0000
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> From: shane.young@oregonvelo.com
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
>>
>> Bring back the Sagebrush Sundae!!!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Erik Long elongride@hotmail.com
>> To: Randy Dreiling raggy23@yahoo.com, obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: 1/29/08 4:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
>>
>> >
>> > Don? Mike? Are you guys getting this?
>> >
>> > It sounds like a decent reason to start a Summer XC series in Central
> Oregon. 2 races a month, maybe? I can't speak for everyone else, but If
> there were races in the Bend area on a few Sundays, I'd be there. I
> actually
> do miss the Dustslinger.
>> >
>> > -Erik
>> >
>> > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:54:55 -0800
>> > > From: raggy23@yahoo.com
>> > > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
>> > >
>> > > Hi All
>> > >
>> > > I did a rough count of the results for Summer races(July-Sept) and I
> think you will agree they are low.
>> > >
>> > > July -State Games 70 racers
>> > > Sept- Hood Finals 95 racers
>> > > Sept- Diamond Lake 42 racers
>> > > August -12/24 Hour was down close to 70% of what it was the first two
> years and back then it was only a 12 Hour.
>> > > Only one person from Oregon Celia from Bend raced the 24 Hour, the
> rest were from Cali, Seattle, Boise and Reno.
>> > > If it wasn't for Bend racers there would have been more out of state
> racers in the 12 hour too, I would say 1/2 the racers or more were from
> Bend
> and mostly from Sunnyside Sports.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Take Care
>> > >
>> > > Randy Dreiling
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:21:53 -0800
> From: Erik Long
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sat/Sun. Racing
> To: Jay Rideout , Michael Mann
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> Having been raised in a "Churched" family, I can tell you that Church has
> never kept me from racing my bike. I've always been able to find a
> service
> on another day of the week if I really wanted to go to Church.
>
> Work, on the other hand, is much more demanding. Working in bike shops
> for
> most of my life, I've always found it very difficult to get Saturdays off.
> However, I've always been able to get my employers to agree to give me
> every
> Sunday off, and some shops I've worked for are just closed on Sunday,
> altogether.
>
> Sunday may be inconvenient for some people, but Saturday can impossible
> for
> those of us who provide and repair the equipment you rely on to race in
> the
> first place.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Mann
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:42:11 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sat/Sun. Racing
>
>
>
> Maybe it's a chicken/egg argument.
>
> Oregon is the most "un-churched" state in the U.S.
> Oregon has the highest per-capita bike race participation.
>
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:40:41 -0800
> From: "Chris Brandt"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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> I made a list of some of my favorite former Oregon MTB events that no
> longer exist. Note, these were all held between June 1 and
> mid-September. Interestingly, these were my favorite because the
> weather was nice! Was it because of the weather, or my easily garnered
> successes due to lack of competitors. Did they all burn out? Or was I
> just faster.
>
> Euphoria Ridge Rumble (Myrtle Point)
> Mt. Ashland Rendezvous (Ashland)
> Black Forest Rally (Hoodoo)
> Shredtopia (Corvallis/Starker)
> Flying M Ranch (Yamhill)
> Klamath Heat (Klamath Falls)
> Dustslinger (Bend)
> Gorge Games (Post Canyon Hood River)
> Santiam Pedalfest
> Oakridge Fat Tire Festival
>
> I've always wondered, in all my years racing MTB in Oregon, why there
> are so many early season races and why so few later ones. I know I am
> not alone here, and I share many of the same opinions as Evan Plews.
> (Link: http://tinyurl.com/33ejzq ) I could never understand why
> people chose to train and race when the weather is the worst, and the
> daylight is of short supply. Yes, in order to be successful at
> something, you have to put a lot of time and energy into it, and that
> isn't always pleasant. Starting to train in those cold/wet months is
> the correct time to do it, in order to be on peak form for those early
> races. But, if the races were later, you could apply that same exact
> training plan to a slightly later time frame and, more than likely,
> find more pleasure in doing it! It really IS miserable to try to put
> your long easy base miles in when it's dark and raining after work or
> on the trainer. Not if you live in Southern California, but in Oregon,
> yes.
>
> You don't have to stop racing mid summer to prepare for cyclocross.
> Maybe a couple light weeks as a break is nice. It doesn't require that
> much more specific training than necessary for other types of racing.
> Only some running, and shorter but harder workouts to mimic the nature
> of those sub-1 hour events. But, even still, if you start too early
> for CX, you'll end up w/ TOO MUCH intensity in your legs and become
> frazzled and burnt before CX season is over.
>
> Now that CX has become so popular, more and more racers are needing a
> break from the intensity of racing for 10-14 weekends straight,
> sometimes twice a wknd. It seems to me now that it makes even MORE
> sense to delay the start of spring/summer events. Especially as they
> start to consider extending CX into January. !?!? If not, will those
> early season promoters start to see diminished participation?
>
> Maybe a delay isn't the sole solution either. Maybe it is simply a
> matter of having no more than 2-3 weeks in a row, before a week or two
> off. Seems to me that would keep folks fresher and eager to race, yet
> also encourage continued recreational riding on the "free weekends"?
> ideally group rides that include newer/younger racers to learn the
> ropes, build friendships, and gain experience before jumping into an
> "epic muddy death march" out in the middle of nowhere. As an elite
> racer with a full time job, it is difficult to make the time to
> include new folks when I'm racing EVERY weekend!
>
> Looking forward to racing the MTB this year. Thanks again to all the
> promoters that make this happen, regardless of when you hold your
> race. Without you, we'd still be a bunch of complainers, only w/ fewer
> races to attend.
>
> Chris Brandt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:48:05 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Dreiling
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
> To: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team ,
> obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <548831.3845.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> Gone!
> All logged and more moto's and 4x4 then ever.
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
> To: Randy Dreiling
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:20:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
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> Has anyone gone up to the shotgun area? I will be over there in 2 weeks
> and
> will be looking for a ride.
>
> Cliff McCann
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:14:16 -0800
> From: raggy23@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
> To: mountainbikepros@msn.com; obra@list.obra.org
>
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> Pretty sure that event went away because of permit issue's.
>
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:46:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
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>
> Cliff
>
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:50:26 +0000
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> From: shane.young@oregonvelo.com
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
>>
>> Bring back the Sagebrush Sundae!!!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Erik Long elongride@hotmail.com
>> To: Randy Dreiling raggy23@yahoo.com, obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: 1/29/08 4:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
>>
>> >
>> > Don? Mike? Are you guys getting this?
>> >
>> > It sounds like a decent reason to start a Summer XC series in Central
> Oregon. 2 races a month, maybe? I can't speak for everyone else, but If
> there were races in the Bend area on a few Sundays, I'd be there. I
> actually
> do miss the Dustslinger.
>> >
>> > -Erik
>> >
>> > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:54:55 -0800
>> > > From: raggy23@yahoo.com
>> > > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Summer XC race numbers
>> > >
>> > > Hi All
>> > >
>> > > I did a rough count of the results for Summer races(July-Sept) and I
> think you will agree they are low.
>> > >
>> > > July -State Games 70 racers
>> > > Sept- Hood Finals 95 racers
>> > > Sept- Diamond Lake 42 racers
>> > > August -12/24 Hour was down close to 70% of what it was the first two
> years and back then it was only a 12 Hour.
>> > > Only one person from Oregon Celia from Bend raced the 24 Hour, the
> rest were from Cali, Seattle, Boise and Reno.
>> > > If it wasn't for Bend racers there would have been more out of state
> racers in the 12 hour too, I would say 1/2 the racers or more were from
> Bend
> and mostly from Sunnyside Sports.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Take Care
>> > >
>> > > Randy Dreiling
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:51:44 -0800
> From: "Dave Campbell"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank arms for sale
> To: "obra"
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> 2004 vintage FSA Carbon Team Issue, 175s in OCTALINK BB pattern, pre
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> Make an offer, doing me no good!
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:55:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Dreiling
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
> To: Chris Brandt , obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <556913.24448.qm@web53001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> WOW
> I forgot 1/2 of those races, so between me and Chris's list that is over
> 15
> races that are no longer around.
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Chris Brandt
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:40:41 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
>
>
> I made a list of some of my favorite former Oregon MTB events that no
> longer exist. Note, these were all held between June 1 and
> mid-September. Interestingly, these were my favorite because the
> weather was nice! Was it because of the weather, or my easily garnered
> successes due to lack of competitors. Did they all burn out? Or was I
> just faster.
>
> Euphoria Ridge Rumble (Myrtle Point)
> Mt. Ashland Rendezvous (Ashland)
> Black Forest Rally (Hoodoo)
> Shredtopia (Corvallis/Starker)
> Flying M Ranch (Yamhill)
> Klamath Heat (Klamath Falls)
> Dustslinger (Bend)
> Gorge Games (Post Canyon Hood River)
> Santiam Pedalfest
> Oakridge Fat Tire Festival
>
> I've always wondered, in all my years racing MTB in Oregon, why there
> are so many early season races and why so few later ones. I know I am
> not alone here, and I share many of the same opinions as Evan Plews.
> (Link: http://tinyurl.com/33ejzq ) I could never understand why
> people chose to train and race when the weather is the worst, and the
> daylight is of short supply. Yes, in order to be successful at
> something, you have to put a lot of time and energy into it, and that
> isn't always pleasant. Starting to train in those cold/wet months is
> the correct time to do it, in order to be on peak form for those early
> races. But, if the races were later, you could apply that same exact
> training plan to a slightly later time frame and, more than likely,
> find more pleasure in doing it! It really IS miserable to try to put
> your long easy base miles in when it's dark and raining after work or
> on the trainer. Not if you live in Southern California, but in Oregon,
> yes.
>
> You don't have to stop racing mid summer to prepare for cyclocross.
> Maybe a couple light weeks as a break is nice. It doesn't require that
> much more specific training than necessary for other types of racing.
> Only some running, and shorter but harder workouts to mimic the nature
> of those sub-1 hour events. But, even still, if you start too early
> for CX, you'll end up w/ TOO MUCH intensity in your legs and become
> frazzled and burnt before CX season is over.
>
> Now that CX has become so popular, more and more racers are needing a
> break from the intensity of racing for 10-14 weekends straight,
> sometimes twice a wknd. It seems to me now that it makes even MORE
> sense to delay the start of spring/summer events. Especially as they
> start to consider extending CX into January. !?!? If not, will those
> early season promoters start to see diminished participation?
>
> Maybe a delay isn't the sole solution either. Maybe it is simply a
> matter of having no more than 2-3 weeks in a row, before a week or two
> off. Seems to me that would keep folks fresher and eager to race, yet
> also encourage continued recreational riding on the "free weekends"?
> ideally group rides that include newer/younger racers to learn the
> ropes, build friendships, and gain experience before jumping into an
> "epic muddy death march" out in the middle of nowhere. As an elite
> racer with a full time job, it is difficult to make the time to
> include new folks when I'm racing EVERY weekend!
>
> Looking forward to racing the MTB this year. Thanks again to all the
> promoters that make this happen, regardless of when you hold your
> race. Without you, we'd still be a bunch of complainers, only w/ fewer
> races to attend.
>
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:29:16 -0700
> From:
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
> To:
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> There was Big K (Elkton)
>
> Though that was a spring race. I remember one of the last years was an
> absolute downpour slopfest through sheep pasture. Had to ride with your
> mouth shut on that course.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Dreiling
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:56 PM
> To: Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
>
> WOW
> I forgot 1/2 of those races, so between me and Chris's list that is over
> 15 races that are no longer around.
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Chris Brandt
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:40:41 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
>
>
> I made a list of some of my favorite former Oregon MTB events that no
> longer exist. Note, these were all held between June 1 and
> mid-September. Interestingly, these were my favorite because the weather
> was nice! Was it because of the weather, or my easily garnered successes
> due to lack of competitors. Did they all burn out? Or was I just faster.
>
> Euphoria Ridge Rumble (Myrtle Point)
> Mt. Ashland Rendezvous (Ashland)
> Black Forest Rally (Hoodoo)
> Shredtopia (Corvallis/Starker)
> Flying M Ranch (Yamhill)
> Klamath Heat (Klamath Falls)
> Dustslinger (Bend)
> Gorge Games (Post Canyon Hood River)
> Santiam Pedalfest
> Oakridge Fat Tire Festival
>
> I've always wondered, in all my years racing MTB in Oregon, why there
> are so many early season races and why so few later ones. I know I am
> not alone here, and I share many of the same opinions as Evan Plews.
> (Link: http://tinyurl.com/33ejzq ) I could never understand why people
> chose to train and race when the weather is the worst, and the daylight
> is of short supply. Yes, in order to be successful at something, you
> have to put a lot of time and energy into it, and that isn't always
> pleasant. Starting to train in those cold/wet months is the correct time
> to do it, in order to be on peak form for those early races. But, if the
> races were later, you could apply that same exact training plan to a
> slightly later time frame and, more than likely, find more pleasure in
> doing it! It really IS miserable to try to put your long easy base miles
> in when it's dark and raining after work or on the trainer. Not if you
> live in Southern California, but in Oregon, yes.
>
> You don't have to stop racing mid summer to prepare for cyclocross.
> Maybe a couple light weeks as a break is nice. It doesn't require that
> much more specific training than necessary for other types of racing.
> Only some running, and shorter but harder workouts to mimic the nature
> of those sub-1 hour events. But, even still, if you start too early for
> CX, you'll end up w/ TOO MUCH intensity in your legs and become frazzled
> and burnt before CX season is over.
>
> Now that CX has become so popular, more and more racers are needing a
> break from the intensity of racing for 10-14 weekends straight,
> sometimes twice a wknd. It seems to me now that it makes even MORE sense
> to delay the start of spring/summer events. Especially as they start to
> consider extending CX into January. !?!? If not, will those early season
> promoters start to see diminished participation?
>
> Maybe a delay isn't the sole solution either. Maybe it is simply a
> matter of having no more than 2-3 weeks in a row, before a week or two
> off. Seems to me that would keep folks fresher and eager to race, yet
> also encourage continued recreational riding on the "free weekends"...
> ideally group rides that include newer/younger racers to learn the
> ropes, build friendships, and gain experience before jumping into an
> "epic muddy death march" out in the middle of nowhere. As an elite racer
> with a full time job, it is difficult to make the time to include new
> folks when I'm racing EVERY weekend!
>
> Looking forward to racing the MTB this year. Thanks again to all the
> promoters that make this happen, regardless of when you hold your race.
> Without you, we'd still be a bunch of complainers, only w/ fewer races
> to attend.
>
> Chris Brandt
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:43:01 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Dreiling
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
> To: Todd.Dye@CH2M.com, obra@list.obra.org
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> Yeah
> My friend got jaridia(sp???) from that race.
> That was a mud fest.
> It was a really place.
>
> There was talk about an endurance race there in the Summer at one point,
> by
> a fellow nameless for now OBRA member that just posted earlier...I'll let
> him address that if he wants.
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Todd.Dye@CH2M.com"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:29:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
>
> There was Big K (Elkton)
>
> Though that was a spring race. I remember one of the last years was an
> absolute downpour slopfest through sheep pasture. Had to ride with your
> mouth shut on that course.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Dreiling
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:56 PM
> To: Chris Brandt; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
>
> WOW
> I forgot 1/2 of those races, so between me and Chris's list that is over
> 15 races that are no longer around.
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Chris Brandt
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:40:41 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
>
>
> I made a list of some of my favorite former Oregon MTB events that no
> longer exist. Note, these were all held between June 1 and
> mid-September. Interestingly, these were my favorite because the weather
> was nice! Was it because of the weather, or my easily garnered successes
> due to lack of competitors. Did they all burn out? Or was I just faster.
>
> Euphoria Ridge Rumble (Myrtle Point)
> Mt. Ashland Rendezvous (Ashland)
> Black Forest Rally (Hoodoo)
> Shredtopia (Corvallis/Starker)
> Flying M Ranch (Yamhill)
> Klamath Heat (Klamath Falls)
> Dustslinger (Bend)
> Gorge Games (Post Canyon Hood River)
> Santiam Pedalfest
> Oakridge Fat Tire Festival
>
> I've always wondered, in all my years racing MTB in Oregon, why there
> are so many early season races and why so few later ones. I know I am
> not alone here, and I share many of the same opinions as Evan Plews.
> (Link: http://tinyurl.com/33ejzq ) I could never understand why people
> chose to train and race when the weather is the worst, and the daylight
> is of short supply. Yes, in order to be successful at something, you
> have to put a lot of time and energy into it, and that isn't always
> pleasant. Starting to train in those cold/wet months is the correct time
> to do it, in order to be on peak form for those early races. But, if the
> races were later, you could apply that same exact training plan to a
> slightly later time frame and, more than likely, find more pleasure in
> doing it! It really IS miserable to try to put your long easy base miles
> in when it's dark and raining after work or on the trainer. Not if you
> live in Southern California, but in Oregon, yes.
>
> You don't have to stop racing mid summer to prepare for cyclocross.
> Maybe a couple light weeks as a break is nice. It doesn't require that
> much more specific training than necessary for other types of racing.
> Only some running, and shorter but harder workouts to mimic the nature
> of those sub-1 hour events. But, even still, if you start too early for
> CX, you'll end up w/ TOO MUCH intensity in your legs and become frazzled
> and burnt before CX season is over.
>
> Now that CX has become so popular, more and more racers are needing a
> break from the intensity of racing for 10-14 weekends straight,
> sometimes twice a wknd. It seems to me now that it makes even MORE sense
> to delay the start of spring/summer events. Especially as they start to
> consider extending CX into January. !?!? If not, will those early season
> promoters start to see diminished participation?
>
> Maybe a delay isn't the sole solution either. Maybe it is simply a
> matter of having no more than 2-3 weeks in a row, before a week or two
> off. Seems to me that would keep folks fresher and eager to race, yet
> also encourage continued recreational riding on the "free weekends"...
> ideally group rides that include newer/younger racers to learn the
> ropes, build friendships, and gain experience before jumping into an
> "epic muddy death march" out in the middle of nowhere. As an elite racer
> with a full time job, it is difficult to make the time to include new
> folks when I'm racing EVERY weekend!
>
> Looking forward to racing the MTB this year. Thanks again to all the
> promoters that make this happen, regardless of when you hold your race.
> Without you, we'd still be a bunch of complainers, only w/ fewer races
> to attend.
>
> Chris Brandt
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:44:28 -0800
> From: Erik Long
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in SUMMER!
> To: Randy Dreiling , Chris Brandt
> ,
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>
> That's RIGHT! I remember most of those!
>
> The Flying M used to be the series final. I think I still have a T-shirt
> from Shredtopia, I loved that course. I think I remember a teammate
> getting
> the "best crash" trophy at Santiam Pedalfest one year. Klamath Heat was
> my
> first win when I was a Junior kidlet. And the Dustslinger, well, that was
> the day I tried to hang on Steve Larsen's wheel up the first hill. Did
> not
> go well, I really paid for that.
>
> These were all great events!
>
> There ARE still some XC races this summer. Pickett's Charge, Return on
> the
> Jedi, and The State Games XC all happen after June 1st.
>
> To everyone on the Obranet, I beg of you, all of us, to go out this
> summer and hit as many of the existing summer races as possible. We can
> all
> be pretty fit by then. Let's
> support the events that happen in the weather that we actually enjoy!
>
> C'mon . . . it'll be fun!
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:55:42 -0800
>> From: raggy23@yahoo.com
>> To: cdbrandt@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
>>
>> WOW
>> I forgot 1/2 of those races, so between me and Chris's list that is over
> 15 races that are no longer around.
>>
>> Randy Dreiling
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Chris Brandt
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:40:41 PM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB in Summer
>>
>>
>> I made a list of some of my favorite former Oregon MTB events that no
>> longer exist. Note, these were all held between June 1 and
>> mid-September. Interestingly, these were my favorite because the
>> weather was nice! Was it because of the weather, or my easily garnered
>> successes due to lack of competitors. Did they all burn out? Or was I
>> just faster.
>>
>> Euphoria Ridge Rumble (Myrtle Point)
>> Mt. Ashland Rendezvous (Ashland)
>> Black Forest Rally (Hoodoo)
>> Shredtopia (Corvallis/Starker)
>> Flying M Ranch (Yamhill)
>> Klamath Heat (Klamath Falls)
>> Dustslinger (Bend)
>> Gorge Games (Post Canyon Hood River)
>> Santiam Pedalfest
>> Oakridge Fat Tire Festival
>>
>> I've always wondered, in all my years racing MTB in Oregon, why there
>> are so many early season races and why so few later ones. I know I am
>> not alone here, and I share many of the same opinions as Evan Plews.
>> (Link: http://tinyurl.com/33ejzq ) I could never understand why
>> people chose to train and race when the weather is the worst, and the
>> daylight is of short supply. Yes, in order to be successful at
>> something, you have to put a lot of time and energy into it, and that
>> isn't always pleasant. Starting to train in those cold/wet months is
>> the correct time to do it, in order to be on peak form for those early
>> races. But, if the races were later, you could apply that same exact
>> training plan to a slightly later time frame and, more than likely,
>> find more pleasure in doing it! It really IS miserable to try to put
>> your long easy base miles in when it's dark and raining after work or
>> on the trainer. Not if you live in Southern California, but in Oregon,
>> yes.
>>
>> You don't have to stop racing mid summer to prepare for cyclocross.
>> Maybe a couple light weeks as a break is nice. It doesn't require that
>> much more specific training than necessary for other types of racing.
>> Only some running, and shorter but harder workouts to mimic the nature
>> of those sub-1 hour events. But, even still, if you start too early
>> for CX, you'll end up w/ TOO MUCH intensity in your legs and become
>> frazzled and burnt before CX season is over.
>>
>> Now that CX has become so popular, more and more racers are needing a
>> break from the intensity of racing for 10-14 weekends straight,
>> sometimes twice a wknd. It seems to me now that it makes even MORE
>> sense to delay the start of spring/summer events. Especially as they
>> start to consider extending CX into January. !?!? If not, will those
>> early season promoters start to see diminished participation?
>>
>> Maybe a delay isn't the sole solution either. Maybe it is simply a
>> matter of having no more than 2-3 weeks in a row, before a week or two
>> off. Seems to me that would keep folks fresher and eager to race, yet
>> also encourage continued recreational riding on the "free weekends"?
>> ideally group rides that include newer/younger racers to learn the
>> ropes, build friendships, and gain experience before jumping into an
>> "epic muddy death march" out in the middle of nowhere. As an elite
>> racer with a full time job, it is difficult to make the time to
>> include new folks when I'm racing EVERY weekend!
>>
>> Looking forward to racing the MTB this year. Thanks again to all the
>> promoters that make this happen, regardless of when you hold your
>> race. Without you, we'd still be a bunch of complainers, only w/ fewer
>> races to attend.
>>
>> Chris Brandt
>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:26:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Brian Baumann
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in SUMMER!
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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>
> While this discussion is definitely productive, and
> fun for those of us that race XC, we need to take it a
> step further and do something with the information.
> How do we go about getting a committee formed to
> address our concerns? As I mentioned in a previous
> post, I am unsure of how the OBRA structure works. Do
> I just begin it as a concerned racer? Does it need to
> be blessed by OBRA or Mike? Any info. would be
> appreciated.
> Brian
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:35:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Dreiling
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in SUMMER!
> To: Brian Baumann , obra@list.obra.org
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> Mike Ripley would take the lead and then racers and promoters could maybe
> have a summit or something. Maybe before or after the Mudslinger at the
> school?
> The bottom line is you guys/gals that are posting are excited to race in
> the
> Summer...how do you get the rest of the racers too???
> As I posted no races after June even had 100 racers and a couple had 40ish
> racers YIKES!
> Good Luck
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Brian Baumann
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:26:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in SUMMER!
>
>
> While this discussion is definitely productive, and
> fun for those of us that race XC, we need to take it a
> step further and do something with the information.
> How do we go about getting a committee formed to
> address our concerns? As I mentioned in a previous
> post, I am unsure of how the OBRA structure works. Do
> I just begin it as a concerned racer? Does it need to
> be blessed by OBRA or Mike? Any info. would be
> appreciated.
> Brian
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:04:47 -0800
> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in SUMMER!
> To: Randy Dreiling , Brian Baumann
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>
> I agree with Randy, I would much rather race in the summer and put on
> races
> in the summer. But the numbers really drop after June. Maybe some of you
> shoud put on a Summer race. Maybe even a Saturday Summer race. I'll be
> there. There's a lot of work that goes into a race, then you loose money
> on
> the race. Plus you don't even get to race the race your self.
> All the funds raised at the Jedi XC race this year will go to the Boys &
> Girls Club bike club. So the more riders we get the bigger the check we
> get
> to give them. That's why we moved from August or July to June. That and
> the
> Fire Danger. The Jedi has been shut down because of fire dangers. The
> bikes
> must be hot :)Cliff > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:35:47 -0800> From:
> raggy23@yahoo.com> To: brianfsrxc1@yahoo.com; obra@list.obra.org> Subject:
> Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in SUMMER!> > Mike Ripley would take the lead and then
> racers and promoters could maybe have a summit or something. Maybe before
> or
> after the Mudslinger at the school?> The bottom line is you guys/gals that
> are posting are excited to race in the Summer...how do you get the rest of
> the racers too???> As I posted no races after June even had 100 racers and
> a
> couple had 40ish racers YIKES!> Good Luck> > Randy Dreiling> > > -----
> Original Message ----> From: Brian Baumann > To:
> obra@list.obra.org> Se
> nt: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:26:34 PM> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB in
> SUMMER!> > > While this discussion is definitely productive, and> fun for
> those of us that race XC, we need to take it a> step further and do
> something with the information. > How do we go about getting a committee
> formed to> address our concerns? As I mentioned in a previous> post, I am
> unsure of how the OBRA structure works. Do> I just begin it as a concerned
> racer? Does it need to> be blessed by OBRA or Mike? Any info. would be>
> appreciated. > Brian> > >
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:29:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Dreiling
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
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> OK since we keep talking about the past, lets have a little fun
> How many of you raced the first race I promoter and what was it called?
>
> Randy Dreiling
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:29:25 -0800
> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sat/Sun. Racing
> To: , "Michael Mann"
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> Ah! But "un-churched" is relative... as I am sure "The Un-United Church
> of
> Cycling" was not factored into those numbers!
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Mann
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:42 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sat/Sun. Racing
>
>
> Maybe it's a chicken/egg argument.
>
> Oregon is the most "un-churched" state in the U.S.
> Oregon has the highest per-capita bike race participation.
>
> Relationship???
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:40:21 -0800
> From: "Eric Kytola"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
> To: "Randy Dreiling" ,
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> Cougar mountain down in Cottage Grove???
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> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Dreiling
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:30 PM
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
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> OK since we keep talking about the past, lets have a little fun
> How many of you raced the first race I promoter and what was it called?
>
> Randy Dreiling
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> From: Randy Dreiling
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
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> Yes sir you are correct sir!
> Eric Long would have loved that course... 2.5-4 mile spectator/ family
> friendly laps
> Reg in the old house on stilts
> Original paper from the day Kennedy was killed, along with other
> interesting
> things hanging inside.
> Home of the worlds 4th largest Yew Tree
> Then the commune people voted that Mt Biking was bad for Mother Earth and
> asked me to leave after I built them a sweet trail network and it was out
> to
> the nightmare of Shotgun Creek.
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> Randy Dreiling
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> Cougar mountain down in Cottage Grove???
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> OK since we keep talking about the past, lets have a little fun
> How many of you raced the first race I promoter and what was it called?
>
> Randy Dreiling
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:07:59 -0800
> From: "Dan H"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
> To: "Randy Dreiling" ,
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> Don't know but I raced the first three Mud Slingers. '88 -'90 I believe.
> It
> was my first mountain bike race ever and being a cat II on the road, I was
> told I would have to be a pro and line up with Tinker despite my
> objections.
>
> I was with a lead group of five nearing the top of the first long climb
> when I somehow managed to rip the rear derailleur off the frame. I coasted
> back down the hill to the start and hung out to see the results. During
> the
> awards ceremony, I was given the "hard luck" prize of a new derailleur.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:29 PM
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>> OK since we keep talking about the past, lets have a little fun
>> How many of you raced the first race I promoter and what was it called?
>>
>> Randy Dreiling
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:13:22 -0800
> From: "Brian Engelen"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sat/Sun. Racing
> To: "'Ron and Dorothy Strasser'" ,
> , "'Michael Mann'"
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> Amen Brother!
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> Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:29 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org; Michael Mann
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sat/Sun. Racing
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>
>
> Ah! But "un-churched" is relative... as I am sure "The Un-United Church
> of
> Cycling" was not factored into those numbers!
>
> ron
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:42 AM
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sat/Sun. Racing
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> Maybe it's a chicken/egg argument.
>
> Oregon is the most "un-churched" state in the U.S.
> Oregon has the highest per-capita bike race participation.
>
> Relationship???
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:23:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Dreiling
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
> To: Dan H , obra@list.obra.org
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> Another good question?
> What is the oldest race in Oregon?
> I am not sure what the answer is?
> Oakridge was first held in 1986 as part of Judge Waldo Days as was pointed
> out by a post last week.
> My first race was Oakridge in 91 or 92 I can't remember now...I just
> remember there were like 150 in my class and I was thrilled finish 40th,
> there were 5 of us that raced our first race that day and we all got top
> 50,
> one of our friends won it and by his 3rd race he was racing Expert, just
> shows you never know until you try.
>
> Remember the guy from Indiana (I think) at Shotgun Creek, it was his first
> race and he won the beginner class and he turned around and raced Sport
> and
> got 3rd after getting a flat, he was able to race both because while I was
> up fixing the arrows the moto's moved I was ran off the road and my van
> ended up in the ditch, and it took a while to get back to start the
> advanced
> classes.
>
> OOOO the good old days.
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dan H
> To: Randy Dreiling ; obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:07:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
>
>
> Don't know but I raced the first three Mud Slingers. '88 -'90 I
> believe. It
> was my first mountain bike race ever and being a cat II on the road, I
> was
> told I would have to be a pro and line up with Tinker despite my
> objections.
> I was with a lead group of five nearing the top of the first long
> climb
> when I somehow managed to rip the rear derailleur off the frame. I
> coasted
> back down the hill to the start and hung out to see the results. During
> the
> awards ceremony, I was given the "hard luck" prize of a new derailleur.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dreiling"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:29 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
>
>
>> OK since we keep talking about the past, lets have a little fun
>> How many of you raced the first race I promoter and what was it
> called?
>>
>> Randy Dreiling
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:02:45 -0800
> From: Erik Long
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
> To: Randy Dreiling , Dan H
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> The oldest bike race in Oregon is the Cascade Classic. The Classic - now
> in
> its 29th year - is the oldest Stage Race in the US, and I really can't
> think
> of any one-day Oregon races older than that.
>
> If we're limiting our choices to MTB races, I'd have to guess maybe Spring
> Thaw? Could be the Mudslinger, if Oakridge never came back.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:23:38 -0800
>> From: raggy23@yahoo.com
>> To: dan@bicyclerepairman.us; obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
>>
>> Another good question?
>> What is the oldest race in Oregon?
>> I am not sure what the answer is?
>> Oakridge was first held in 1986 as part of Judge Waldo Days as was
>> pointed
> out by a post last week.
>> My first race was Oakridge in 91 or 92 I can't remember now...I just
> remember there were like 150 in my class and I was thrilled finish 40th,
> there were 5 of us that raced our first race that day and we all got top
> 50,
> one of our friends won it and by his 3rd race he was racing Expert, just
> shows you never know until you try.
>>
>> Remember the guy from Indiana (I think) at Shotgun Creek, it was his
>> first
> race and he won the beginner class and he turned around and raced Sport
> and
> got 3rd after getting a flat, he was able to race both because while I was
> up fixing the arrows the moto's moved I was ran off the road and my van
> ended up in the ditch, and it took a while to get back to start the
> advanced
> classes.
>>
>> OOOO the good old days.
>>
>> Randy Dreiling
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Dan H
>> To: Randy Dreiling ; obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:07:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
>>
>>
>> Don't know but I raced the first three Mud Slingers. '88 -'90 I
>> believe. It
>> was my first mountain bike race ever and being a cat II on the road, I
>> was
>> told I would have to be a pro and line up with Tinker despite my
>> objections.
>> I was with a lead group of five nearing the top of the first long
>> climb
>> when I somehow managed to rip the rear derailleur off the frame. I
>> coasted
>> back down the hill to the start and hung out to see the results. During
>> the
>> awards ceremony, I was given the "hard luck" prize of a new derailleur.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Randy Dreiling"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:29 PM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Old XC races
>>
>>
>> > OK since we keep talking about the past, lets have a little fun
>> > How many of you raced the first race I promoter and what was it
>> called?
>> >
>> > Randy Dreiling
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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