government defined

T. Kenji Sugahara

2008-02-27

OMG. That's probably the funniest thing I've read- we have a really
high number of engineers in OBRA. (and lawyers too)

That said, I think it's a good idea to retire this subject. With 65
messages I think we've pretty much covered as many points of view as
there will be.

Now GO RIDE YOUR BIKE. AND DON'T LET ME CATCH YOU WITHOUT A HELMET AT
THE RACES.

:D

k-

On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Jason A. Skelton wrote:

> Jesus lord! Please stop this crap. If you live in the 'couv, write
> the mayor or city council. Otherwise, keep it to yourself.
>
> PS. And most CEO's (for better or worse) were liberal arts majors.
> And the ones with the engineering degrees ended up getting laid off
> and rant on the internet.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael O'Hair
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:43:01 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] government defined
>
>
>
> In Political Science, government is defined as the sole legitmate
> wielder of
> force. Or Louis XIV
> said on his cannon barrels, "Ultima Ratio Regum."
>
> And you are correct, it is not the government's duty to legislate
> safety.
> But it is the government's duty to protect its citizens from the
> predations
> of the powerful. What started out as a bunch of pretty good ideas,
> like
> "don't poison people's food," got subverted into the millions of
> "consumer
> safety" activities like labeling a box of shotgun shells with
> "Caution! May
> be dangerous." I personally blame the liberal arts majors who
> couldn't get
> jobs and went into government.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Murray"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets will be mandatory in Vancouver, WA
>
>
> > The responsibility of government is NOT to legislate safety. The
> > responsibility of government is to protect the individual from being
> > damaged
> > by the actions of others. In the absence of a government the
> bigger guy
> > gets to beat up the smaller guy. Governmental structures prevent
> this. It
> > is not the government's job to protect individuals from their own
> actions.
> >
> > Mike Murray
>
>
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Jason A. Skelton

2008-02-27

Jesus lord! Please stop this crap. If you live in the 'couv, write the mayor or city council. Otherwise, keep it to yourself.

PS. And most CEO's (for better or worse) were liberal arts majors. And the ones with the engineering degrees ended up getting laid off and rant on the internet.

----- Original Message ----
From: Michael O'Hair
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:43:01 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] government defined

In Political Science, government is defined as the sole legitmate wielder of
force. Or Louis XIV
said on his cannon barrels, "Ultima Ratio Regum."

And you are correct, it is not the government's duty to legislate safety.
But it is the government's duty to protect its citizens from the predations
of the powerful. What started out as a bunch of pretty good ideas, like
"don't poison people's food," got subverted into the millions of "consumer
safety" activities like labeling a box of shotgun shells with "Caution! May
be dangerous." I personally blame the liberal arts majors who couldn't get
jobs and went into government.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Murray"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets will be mandatory in Vancouver, WA

> The responsibility of government is NOT to legislate safety. The
> responsibility of government is to protect the individual from being
> damaged
> by the actions of others. In the absence of a government the bigger guy
> gets to beat up the smaller guy. Governmental structures prevent this. It
> is not the government's job to protect individuals from their own actions.
>
> Mike Murray

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Michael O'Hair

2008-02-27

In Political Science, government is defined as the sole legitmate wielder of
force. Or Louis XIV
said on his cannon barrels, "Ultima Ratio Regum."

And you are correct, it is not the government's duty to legislate safety.
But it is the government's duty to protect its citizens from the predations
of the powerful. What started out as a bunch of pretty good ideas, like
"don't poison people's food," got subverted into the millions of "consumer
safety" activities like labeling a box of shotgun shells with "Caution! May
be dangerous." I personally blame the liberal arts majors who couldn't get
jobs and went into government.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Murray"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets will be mandatory in Vancouver, WA

> The responsibility of government is NOT to legislate safety. The
> responsibility of government is to protect the individual from being
> damaged
> by the actions of others. In the absence of a government the bigger guy
> gets to beat up the smaller guy. Governmental structures prevent this. It
> is not the government's job to protect individuals from their own actions.
>
> Mike Murray