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I have never had any problem using Liquid Gold and other similar lubes after the factory lube wears off.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: AP

Here are serveral reasons why I don't use factory lube.
Shimano lube does not hold up very long. A few rides.
Its harder to strip down the chain to the metal once it is installed and most chains no longer allow you to remove them. Campy pins and Shimano
You are unable to replace the factory lube with like and kind once it wears off since they do not sell it.
AP

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Dan H"

The factory lube is the best lube your chain will ever see. Why go to the bother and expense to remove it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bourcier
To: Andrew Reed ; obra
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have had the best luck with Pedro?s SYN lube in the winter and Road Rage in the summer. The key to the product is stated on the bottle. Before applying the lube you need to strip the chain to the bare metal. So the chain comes out of box and into Citrus Degreaser and then most important is rinsed in the sink with water before Pedro?s is applied to the bar chain so it can chemically bond. After that you cheep applying new lube to clean it and wipe off all the excess lube and grim. There is no cleaning with any solvents. Once the chain reaches the maximum stretch length it is replaced.

AP

Andrew Reed wrote:
Long live Dan Diez! Demon Semen is alive and well in Flagstaff, AZ.
At least I think it is. I'm scared to google it to find out.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Don Whitehead wrote:

Certainly the most entertaining branding and packaging for chain lube was Demon Semin. Unfortunately it has been gone for around 20 years. Ross Schaefer may still have some.

2008/3/4 Erik Long :

EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.

It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The low-viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by dripping it onto the full length of the chain.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE EXCESS LUBE UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.

Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to remove the chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's recommended method may be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try that on my next chain-cleaning here in the shop.

Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his email:

Use full strength Simple green with a large plastic bottle. Put the chain in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it around). Take the chain out and let the cleanser sit until the dirt settles to the bottom. Put a big magnet into the bottle and this will help pull the dirt/metal powder out of the solution. Then pour off the clean stuff and repeat the process several times.

Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a clean chain will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has stretched/has worn bushings.

From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with lube by shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going to create the very gunk you trying to avoid.
Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and side plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped off.

Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

----- Original Message -----
From: michael kath
To: 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

From: bengelen@comcast.net
To: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For me,

Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.

For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.

For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...
I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
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To: "Paul Bourcier" , "Andrew Reed" , "obra"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:55:06 +0000

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Here are serveral reasons why I don't use factory lube.

Shimano lube does not hold up very long. A few rides.
Its harder to strip down the chain to the metal once it is installed and most chains no longer allow you to remove them. Campy pins and Shimano
You are unable to replace the factory lube with like and kind once it wears off since they do not sell it.
AP

gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
Interestingly (or not), Leonard Zinn just made the same comment on VeloNews online in his weekly technical article (not that Iam saying that his opinion means more than Dan's).

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Dan H"
The factory lube is the best lube your chain will ever see. Why go to the bother and expense to remove it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bourcier
To: Andrew Reed ; obra
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have had the best luck with Pedro?s SYN lube in the winter and Road Rage in the summer. The key to the product is stated on the bottle. Before applying the lube you need to strip the chain to the bare metal. So the chain comes out of box and into Citrus Degreaser and then most important is rinsed in the sink with water before Pedro?s is applied to the bar chain so it can chemically bond. After that you cheep applying new lube to clean it and wipe off all the excess lube and grim. There is no cleaning with any solvents. Once the chain reaches the maximum stretch length it is replaced.

AP

Andrew Reed wrote:
Long live Dan Diez! Demon Semen is alive and well in Flagstaff, AZ. At least I think it is. I'm scared to google it to find out.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Don Whitehead wrote:

Certainly the most entertaining branding and packaging for chain lube was Demon Semin. Unfortunately it has been gone for around 20 years. Ross Schaefer may still have some.

2008/3/4 Erik Long :
EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.

It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The low-viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by dripping it onto the full length of the chain.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE EXCESS LUBE UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.

Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to remove the chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's recommended method may be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try that on my next chain-cleaning here in the shop.

Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his email:

Use full strength Simple green with a large plastic bottle. Put the chain in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it around). Take the chain out and let the cleanser sit until the dirt settles to the bottom. Put a big magnet into the bottle and this will help pull the dirt/metal powder out of the solution. Then pour off the clean stuff and repeat the process several times.

Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a clean chain will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has stretched/has worn bushings.

---------------------------------
From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800


Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with lube by shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going to create the very gunk you trying to avoid.
Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and side plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped off.

Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html


----- Original Message -----
From: michael kath
To: 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

---------------------------------
From: bengelen@comcast.net
To: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For me,


Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.


For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.


For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.



---------------------------------

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...

I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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To: "Paul Bourcier" , "Andrew Reed" , "obra"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:55:06 +0000

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Thats how I get the old decals off...thanks Dan

----- Original Message ----
From: Dan H
To: brian.p.johnson@gmail.com; davecampbell828@charter.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 12:59:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Defense of WD40:
If used on a dry day for a race (or ride) of no more than 90 minutes, it
will make clean up afterward easier.
It's also great for removing decal adhesive from painted surfaces.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Johnson"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

> Hey Dave,
>
> Over the years I've used many lubes-- like just about everybody else
> here. Pedro's SynLube, Tri-Flow, some weird Specialized stuff, WD-40
> (Yes!! And it doesn't work at all!), cooking my chain in melted wax,
> White Lightening's white and blue (Race Day) stuff, and finally A.T.B
> (red dot/medium) and ProLink Gold.
>
> Just for fun I ran A.T.B (Absolutely The Best) on the MTB and CX bikes
> and ProLink on the road bike. Both seemed to hold up very well in our
> wet weather. The ProLink performed incredibly well on the chain in wet,
> rainy rides. I even let the road bike go several rides without re-lubing
> and the chain still ran very quietly. The A.T.B. also did well, but it
> was subjected to more dirt and thus required more frequent
> re-application. I could go only a couple of wet muddy rides before the
> chain began to audibly complain.
>
> When I ran out of ProLink I cleaned the road chain and applied A.T.B. It
> worked almost as well as ProLink in wet rides, but the chain began to
> make noise sooner than the ProLink treated chain.
>
> I've not yet tried ProLink for off-road/CX use.
>
> Nice thing about A.T.B. was the inclusion of a long, thin application
> tube. Very easy to apply just what was needed exactly where it was
> needed without a lot of waste. The ProLink bottle, unfortunately, uses a
> shorter and larger-bore application nozzle. That, combined with the much
> "thinner" body of the ProLink made for a lot of drippy wastage.
>
> --
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>
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Dan H"

The factory lube is the best lube your chain will ever see. Why go to the bother and expense to remove it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bourcier
To: Andrew Reed ; obra
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have had the best luck with Pedro?s SYN lube in the winter and Road Rage in the summer. The key to the product is stated on the bottle. Before applying the lube you need to strip the chain to the bare metal. So the chain comes out of box and into Citrus Degreaser and then most important is rinsed in the sink with water before Pedro?s is applied to the bar chain so it can chemically bond. After that you cheep applying new lube to clean it and wipe off all the excess lube and grim. There is no cleaning with any solvents. Once the chain reaches the maximum stretch length it is replaced.

AP

Andrew Reed wrote:
Long live Dan Diez! Demon Semen is alive and well in Flagstaff, AZ.
At least I think it is. I'm scared to google it to find out.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Don Whitehead wrote:

Certainly the most entertaining branding and packaging for chain lube was Demon Semin. Unfortunately it has been gone for around 20 years. Ross Schaefer may still have some.

2008/3/4 Erik Long :

EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.

It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The low-viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by dripping it onto the full length of the chain.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE EXCESS LUBE UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.

Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to remove the chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's recommended method may be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try that on my next chain-cleaning here in the shop.

Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his email:

Use full strength Simple green with a large plastic bottle. Put the chain in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it around). Take the chain out and let the cleanser sit until the dirt settles to the bottom. Put a big magnet into the bottle and this will help pull the dirt/metal powder out of the solution. Then pour off the clean stuff and repeat the process several times.

Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a clean chain will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has stretched/has worn bushings.

From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with lube by shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going to create the very gunk you trying to avoid.
Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and side plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped off.

Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

----- Original Message -----
From: michael kath
To: 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

From: bengelen@comcast.net
To: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For me,

Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.

For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.

For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...
I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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with “Bike Lust”.  Even the cat will fall down.  Brian

 

Good for
the playground slide too.

 

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From:
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[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf
Of Rick Johnson

Sent: Tuesday, March
04, 2008 2:57
PM

To: J D

Cc: OBRA List

Subject: Re: [OBRA
Chat] Lube
question

 

I love White Lightning - it
keeps the cable pivots of
my tele bindings from squeaking and prevents ice from sticking. It's
also great
for keeping the climbing lift wires snapping into place easily.



Rick



J D wrote:

Actually
I have found a
use for my old bottle of White Lightning, I use it to quiet the door
hinges in my 90 yr old house, works great at keeping the squeaks down,
now if I
could just get it to work on the floor boards :)

-----
Original Message
----

From: Dan H <dan@bicyclerepairman.us>

To: Dave Campbell <davecampbell828@charter.net>;
obra <obra@list.obra.org>

Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 11:10:10 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

People are still trying
wax? I thought Sheldon Brown
put that myth to rest years ago...

Don't even start with the
White Lightning!

----- Original Message
-----

From: Dave Campbell

To: obra

Sent: Monday,
March 03, 2008 10:28 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat]
Lube question

 

I have used Pedro's Ice
wax for yrs.  Love it
because of cleanliness.  However...

I have become convinced
with recent long rides that
it really isn't much of a lubricant!  Seems to flake off (the clean
thing)
and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride.  When I go to dry
areas
like Arizona
it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

 

What are people using
that lasts, protects, is good
in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make
a big
greasy mess!

 

???

Thanks,

DC

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Good for the playground slide too.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:57 PM
To: J D
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I love White Lightning - it keeps the cable pivots of my tele bindings from
squeaking and prevents ice from sticking. It's also great for keeping the
climbing lift wires snapping into place easily.

Rick

J D wrote:

Actually I have found a use for my old bottle of White Lightning, I use it
to quiet the door hinges in my 90 yr old house, works great at keeping the
squeaks down, now if I could just get it to work on the floor boards :)

----- Original Message ----
From: Dan H
To: Dave Campbell
; obra

Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 11:10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

People are still trying wax? I thought Sheldon Brown put that myth to rest
years ago...

Don't even start with the White Lightning!

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From: Dave Campbell

To: obra

Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness.
However...

I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of
a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry
by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty
un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get
all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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I love White Lightning - it keeps the cable pivots of my tele bindings
from squeaking and prevents ice from sticking. It's also great for
keeping the climbing lift wires snapping into place easily.



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J D wrote:

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Actually
I have found a use for my old bottle of White Lightning, I use it to
quiet the door hinges in my 90 yr old house, works great at keeping the
squeaks down, now if I could just get it to work on the floor boards :)

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From: Dan H <dan@bicyclerepairman.us>

To: Dave Campbell <davecampbell828@charter.net>; obra
<obra@list.obra.org>

Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 11:10:10 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

People are still trying wax? I
thought Sheldon Brown put that myth to rest years ago...

Don't even start with the White
Lightning!

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From:
Dave
Campbell

To:
obra

Sent:
Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM

Subject:
[OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for
yrs.  Love it because of cleanliness.  However...

I have become convinced with
recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant!  Seems to
flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr
ride.  When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from
the get go!

 

What are people using that lasts,
protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow
used to) and make a big greasy mess!

 

???

Thanks,

DC

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The factory lube is the best lube your chain will ever see. Why go to the bother and expense to remove it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bourcier
To: Andrew Reed ; obra
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have had the best luck with Pedro's SYN lube in the winter and Road Rage in the summer. The key to the product is stated on the bottle. Before applying the lube you need to strip the chain to the bare metal. So the chain comes out of box and into Citrus Degreaser and then most important is rinsed in the sink with water before Pedro's is applied to the bar chain so it can chemically bond. After that you cheep applying new lube to clean it and wipe off all the excess lube and grim. There is no cleaning with any solvents. Once the chain reaches the maximum stretch length it is replaced.

AP

Andrew Reed wrote:
Long live Dan Diez! Demon Semen is alive and well in Flagstaff, AZ.
At least I think it is. I'm scared to google it to find out.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Don Whitehead wrote:

Certainly the most entertaining branding and packaging for chain lube was Demon Semin. Unfortunately it has been gone for around 20 years. Ross Schaefer may still have some.

2008/3/4 Erik Long :

EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.

It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The low-viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by dripping it onto the full length of the chain.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE EXCESS LUBE UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.

Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to remove the chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's recommended method may be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try that on my next chain-cleaning here in the shop.

Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his email:

Use full strength Simple green with a large plastic bottle. Put the chain in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it around). Take the chain out and let the cleanser sit until the dirt settles to the bottom. Put a big magnet into the bottle and this will help pull the dirt/metal powder out of the solution. Then pour off the clean stuff and repeat the process several times.

Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a clean chain will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has stretched/has worn bushings.

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From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with lube by shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going to create the very gunk you trying to avoid.
Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and side plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped off.

Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

----- Original Message -----
From: michael kath
To: 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

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From: bengelen@comcast.net
To: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For me,

Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.

For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.

For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...
I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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I have had the best luck with Pedro?s SYN lube in the winter and Road Rage in the summer. The key to the product is stated on the bottle. Before applying the lube you need to strip the chain to the bare metal. So the chain comes out of box and into Citrus Degreaser and then most important is rinsed in the sink with water before Pedro?s is applied to the bar chain so it can chemically bond. After that you cheep applying new lube to clean it and wipe off all the excess lube and grim. There is no cleaning with any solvents. Once the chain reaches the maximum stretch length it is replaced.

AP

Andrew Reed wrote:
Long live Dan Diez! Demon Semen is alive and well in Flagstaff, AZ. At least I think it is. I'm scared to google it to find out.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Don Whitehead wrote:

Certainly the most entertaining branding and packaging for chain lube was Demon Semin. Unfortunately it has been gone for around 20 years. Ross Schaefer may still have some.

2008/3/4 Erik Long :
EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.

It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The low-viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by dripping it onto the full length of the chain.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE EXCESS LUBE UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.

Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to remove the chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's recommended method may be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try that on my next chain-cleaning here in the shop.

Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his email:

Use full strength Simple green with a large plastic bottle. Put the chain in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it around). Take the chain out and let the cleanser sit until the dirt settles to the bottom. Put a big magnet into the bottle and this will help pull the dirt/metal powder out of the solution. Then pour off the clean stuff and repeat the process several times.

Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a clean chain will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has stretched/has worn bushings.

---------------------------------
From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800


Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with lube by shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going to create the very gunk you trying to avoid.
Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and side plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped off.

Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html


----- Original Message -----
From: michael kath
To: 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

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From: bengelen@comcast.net
To: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For me,


Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.


For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.


For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.



---------------------------------

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...

I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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I have tried a large number of chain lube over many years and am at present (2yrs) using Boeshield T9 on all my bikes. I am sure some hate it, but it works great for me. It does not seem to collect foreign material very much and cleans up nice.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan H
To: Dave Campbell ; obra
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

People are still trying wax? I thought Sheldon Brown put that myth to rest years ago...
Don't even start with the White Lightning!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Campbell
To: obra
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...
I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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Long live Dan Diez! Demon Semen is alive and well in Flagstaff, AZ.
At least I think it is. I'm scared to google it to find out.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Don Whitehead wrote:

> Certainly the most entertaining branding and packaging for chain
> lube was Demon Semin. Unfortunately it has been gone for around 20
> years. Ross Schaefer may still have some.
>
> 2008/3/4 Erik Long :
> EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.
>
> It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The low-
> viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles
> will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by
> dripping it onto the full length of the chain.
>
> ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE EXCESS
> LUBE UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.
>
> Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to remove
> the chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's recommended
> method may be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try that on my
> next chain-cleaning here in the shop.
>
> Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his
> email:
>
> Use full strength Simple green with a large plastic bottle. Put the
> chain in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it around). Take the
> chain out and let the cleanser sit until the dirt settles to the
> bottom. Put a big magnet into the bottle and this will help pull
> the dirt/metal powder out of the solution. Then pour off the clean
> stuff and repeat the process several times.
>
> Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a clean
> chain will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has stretched/has
> worn bushings.
>
>
> From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
> To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question
>
> After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with lube by
> shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
> Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going to create
> the very gunk you trying to avoid.
> Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and side
> plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped off.
>
> Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
> Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael kath
> To: 'obra'
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question
>
> Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the
> can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any
> dirt bike shop.
>
>
> From: bengelen@comcast.net
> To: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question
>
> For me,
>
>
> Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some
> lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.
>
>
> For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.
>
>
> For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride
> maintenance.
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
> To: obra
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question
>
>
> I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of
> cleanliness. However...
>
> I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't
> much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain
> is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like
> Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!
>
>
> What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but
> doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big
> greasy mess!
>
>
> ???
> Thanks,
> DC
>
>
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Brian Baumann

I use old Planters peanut glass jars for cleaning the
chain inside of. With the wider mouth they make
getting the chain out easier.
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you guys clean your chains? the ride in 4 hours of pouring rain doesn't
do it FOR you?

my chain rusts way faster if there isn't a bunch of guck stuck to it.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Dan H
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:03 PM
To: Erik Long; michael kath; 'obra'
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Deep cleaning: I like the "Simple Green/bottle/magnet" idea. If you have
room in your budget, I like the ultra sonic jewelry cleaner available
for about $90. It also works great for small parts like derailleur
pulleys.

----- Original Message -----
From: Erik Long
To: Dan H ; michael kath
; 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.

It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The
low-viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles
will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by
dripping it onto the full length of the chain.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE
EXCESS LUBE UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.

Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to
remove the chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's
recommended method may be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try
that on my next chain-cleaning here in the shop.

Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his
email:

Use full strength Simple green with a large plastic bottle. Put
the chain in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it around). Take the
chain out and let the cleanser sit until the dirt settles to the bottom.
Put a big magnet into the bottle and this will help pull the dirt/metal
powder out of the solution. Then pour off the clean stuff and repeat
the process several times.

Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a
clean chain will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has
stretched/has worn bushings.

________________________________

From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question


After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain
with lube by shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going
to create the very gunk you trying to avoid.
Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing
and side plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped
off.

Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

----- Original Message -----
From: michael kath

To: 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like
PJ1) comes out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large
cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

________________________________

From: bengelen@comcast.net
To: davecampbell828@charter.net;
obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For me,

Same thing but White Lightning. Put
chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry
with rag, install.

For super wet conditions, same process
with Pro Link.

For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil
with you for mid-ride maintenance.

________________________________

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[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs.
Love it because of cleanliness. However...

I have become convinced with recent long
rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the
clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I
go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts,
protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow
used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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Deep cleaning: I like the "Simple Green/bottle/magnet" idea. If you have room in your budget, I like the ultra sonic jewelry cleaner available for about $90. It also works great for small parts like derailleur pulleys.
----- Original Message -----
From: Erik Long
To: Dan H ; michael kath ; 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.

It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The low-viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by dripping it onto the full length of the chain.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE EXCESS LUBE UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.

Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to remove the chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's recommended method may be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try that on my next chain-cleaning here in the shop.

Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his email:

Use full strength Simple green with a large plastic bottle. Put the chain in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it around). Take the chain out and let the cleanser sit until the dirt settles to the bottom. Put a big magnet into the bottle and this will help pull the dirt/metal powder out of the solution. Then pour off the clean stuff and repeat the process several times.

Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a clean chain will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has stretched/has worn bushings.

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From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with lube by shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going to create the very gunk you trying to avoid.
Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and side plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped off.

Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

----- Original Message -----
From: michael kath
To: 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

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From: bengelen@comcast.net
To: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For me,

Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.

For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.

For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...

I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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A lot of people use WD-40 as a lubricant for whatever reasons. The WD
stands for "water displacement." And that's what it does best. I use it
after I clean my chain and drivetrain with citrus cleaner mix and scrub the
rings, cassette, chain, pulleys, et al with a long bristle brush. The WD-40
gets rid of any moisture.

> Over the years I've used many lubes-- WD-40
> (Yes!! And it doesn't work at all!),

Dan H

Defense of WD40:
If used on a dry day for a race (or ride) of no more than 90 minutes, it
will make clean up afterward easier.
It's also great for removing decal adhesive from painted surfaces.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Johnson"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

> Hey Dave,
>
> Over the years I've used many lubes-- like just about everybody else
> here. Pedro's SynLube, Tri-Flow, some weird Specialized stuff, WD-40
> (Yes!! And it doesn't work at all!), cooking my chain in melted wax,
> White Lightening's white and blue (Race Day) stuff, and finally A.T.B
> (red dot/medium) and ProLink Gold.
>
> Just for fun I ran A.T.B (Absolutely The Best) on the MTB and CX bikes
> and ProLink on the road bike. Both seemed to hold up very well in our
> wet weather. The ProLink performed incredibly well on the chain in wet,
> rainy rides. I even let the road bike go several rides without re-lubing
> and the chain still ran very quietly. The A.T.B. also did well, but it
> was subjected to more dirt and thus required more frequent
> re-application. I could go only a couple of wet muddy rides before the
> chain began to audibly complain.
>
> When I ran out of ProLink I cleaned the road chain and applied A.T.B. It
> worked almost as well as ProLink in wet rides, but the chain began to
> make noise sooner than the ProLink treated chain.
>
> I've not yet tried ProLink for off-road/CX use.
>
> Nice thing about A.T.B. was the inclusion of a long, thin application
> tube. Very easy to apply just what was needed exactly where it was
> needed without a lot of waste. The ProLink bottle, unfortunately, uses a
> shorter and larger-bore application nozzle. That, combined with the much
> "thinner" body of the ProLink made for a lot of drippy wastage.
>
> --
>
>
> "There's no time for sanity, chum!"
> -- The Tick
>
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Don Whitehead

Certainly the most entertaining branding and packaging for chain lube was
Demon Semin. Unfortunately it has been gone for around 20 years. Ross
Schaefer may still have some.

2008/3/4 Erik Long :

> EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.
>
> It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The
> low-viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles
> will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by dripping
> it onto the full length of the chain.
>
> ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE EXCESS LUBE
> UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.
>
> Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to remove the
> chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's recommended method may
> be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try that on my next chain-cleaning
> here in the shop.
>
> Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his email:
>
> Use full strength Simple green with a large plastic bottle. Put the chain
> in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it around). Take the chain out and
> let the cleanser sit until the dirt settles to the bottom. Put a big magnet
> into the bottle and this will help pull the dirt/metal powder out of the
> solution. Then pour off the clean stuff and repeat the process several
> times.
>
> Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a clean chain
> will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has stretched/has worn
> bushings.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
> To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question
>
> After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with lube by shaking
> or soaking, I have to speak up.
> Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going to create the
> very gunk you trying to avoid.
> Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and side plate
> meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped off.
>
> Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
> Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* michael kath
> *To:* 'obra'
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question
>
> Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the
> can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any dirt
> bike shop.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: bengelen@comcast.net
> To: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question
>
> For me,
>
>
>
> Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube,
> shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.
>
>
>
> For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.
>
>
>
> For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Dave Campbell
> *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
> *To:* obra
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Lube question
>
>
>
> I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness.
> However...
>
> I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much
> of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is
> squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it
> is pretty un-lubing from the get go!
>
>
>
> What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't
> get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!
>
>
>
> ???
> Thanks,
> DC
>
>
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Erik Long

EXACTLY! Thank you, Dan.

It's entirely unnecessary to remove your chain to lube it. The low-viscosity (and I stress "LOW") lubricants that are made for bicycles will get into the chain pivots and bushings quite easily, simply by dripping it onto the full length of the chain.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO KEEP YOUR CHAIN CLEAN IS WIPE OFF THE EXCESS LUBE UNTIL YOUR CHAIN LOOKS DRY. It's that simple.

Cleaning is a different story, and it can be beneficial to remove the chain. In fact, from a mechanic's eye view, Brian's recommended method may be the best I've heard of. I'll actually try that on my next chain-cleaning here in the shop.

Here's Brian's cleaning method for those who may have missed his email:

Use full strength Simple green with a large
plastic bottle. Put the chain in the bottle and shake vigorously (bang it
around). Take the chain out and let the cleanser sit until the dirt
settles to the bottom. Put a big magnet into the bottle and this will
help pull the dirt/metal powder out of the solution. Then pour off
the clean stuff and repeat the process several times.

Just be sure to check the wear on your chain first. Even a clean chain will wear out your cogs and chainrings if it has stretched/has worn bushings.

From: dan@bicyclerepairman.us
To: mikekath240@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with
lube by shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going
to create the very gunk you trying to avoid.
Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and
side plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped
off.

Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

----- Original Message -----
From:
michael
kath
To: 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08
AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube
question

Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes
out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up
a large cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

From: bengelen@comcast.net
To:
davecampbell828@charter.net;
obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4
Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For
me,

Same thing but
White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube,
shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.

For super wet
conditions, same process with Pro Link.

For muddy
conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.






From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28
PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube
question


I have used Pedro's Ice wax for
yrs. Love it because of cleanliness.
However...

I have become convinced with
recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to
flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr
ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from
the get go!



What are people using that
lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like
triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!



???
Thanks,
DC

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Hey Dave,

Over the years I've used many lubes-- like just about everybody else
here. Pedro's SynLube, Tri-Flow, some weird Specialized stuff, WD-40
(Yes!! And it doesn't work at all!), cooking my chain in melted wax,
White Lightening's white and blue (Race Day) stuff, and finally A.T.B
(red dot/medium) and ProLink Gold.

Just for fun I ran A.T.B (Absolutely The Best) on the MTB and CX bikes
and ProLink on the road bike. Both seemed to hold up very well in our
wet weather. The ProLink performed incredibly well on the chain in wet,
rainy rides. I even let the road bike go several rides without re-lubing
and the chain still ran very quietly. The A.T.B. also did well, but it
was subjected to more dirt and thus required more frequent
re-application. I could go only a couple of wet muddy rides before the
chain began to audibly complain.

When I ran out of ProLink I cleaned the road chain and applied A.T.B. It
worked almost as well as ProLink in wet rides, but the chain began to
make noise sooner than the ProLink treated chain.

I've not yet tried ProLink for off-road/CX use.

Nice thing about A.T.B. was the inclusion of a long, thin application
tube. Very easy to apply just what was needed exactly where it was
needed without a lot of waste. The ProLink bottle, unfortunately, uses a
shorter and larger-bore application nozzle. That, combined with the much
"thinner" body of the ProLink made for a lot of drippy wastage.

--

"There's no time for sanity, chum!"
-- The Tick

Michael Mann

I've used ATB (Absolutely The Best) mid-weight lube (comes in 3 weights) for a few years now - I like it better than anything else I've found and I commute all year in whatever yuck gets thrown at me. Like others, I've got my routine. Clean the
chain with Simple Green when it's gunky. On bike usually, but for the thorough job I have a wide mouth half gallon plastic jug - if you home brew or know someone who does the malt syrup jugs are perfect - shake it up good and let it dry. Take your
time, drip the lube on the individual links and wipe off the excess. Do it often, preferably before it starts sounding like it needs it.

I'm also intrigued by this - anyone tried it?

[ http://ernestolube.com/ ]http://ernestolube.com/

kind of fits in with this sentiment:
[ http://www.cafepress.com/bikethere.166072696 ]http://www.cafepress.com/bikethere.166072696

J D

Actually I have found a use for my old bottle of White Lightning, I use it to quiet the door hinges in my 90 yr old house, works great at keeping the squeaks down, now if I could just get it to work on the floor boards :)

----- Original Message ----
From: Dan H
To: Dave Campbell ; obra
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 11:10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

People are still trying wax? I thought Sheldon Brown put that myth to rest years ago...
Don't even start with the White Lightning!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Campbell
To: obra
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...
I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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After reading two suggestions of inundating the chain with lube by shaking or soaking, I have to speak up.
Any lube beyond the inside of the bushings is only going to create the very gunk you trying to avoid.
Drip oil onto a clean chain at the point where bushing and side plate meet. any oil that gets on the outside should be wiped off.

Serious: http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
Humorous: http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

----- Original Message -----
From: michael kath
To: 'obra'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

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From: bengelen@comcast.net
To: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For me,

Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.

For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.

For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...

I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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Shake that flock of seagulls with MX lube (like PJ1) comes out the can as foam and stays on the chain. Pick up a large cheap can at any dirt bike shop.

From: bengelen@comcast.netTo: davecampbell828@charter.net; obra@list.obra.orgDate: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:26:59 -0800Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

For me,

Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube, shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.

For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.

For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Dave CampbellSent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PMTo: obraSubject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...

I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???Thanks,DC
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For me,

Same thing but White Lightning. Put chain in Ziploc bag, add some lube,
shake-shake-shake, remove chain, dry with rag, install.

For super wet conditions, same process with Pro Link.

For muddy conditions, take Pro Link oil with you for mid-ride maintenance.

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Dave Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness.
However...

I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of
a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry
by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty
un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get
all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

Erik Long

Congratulations! You've taken the first step toward making your drivetrain parts last as long as they should.

I,
too, made the mistake of thinking that paraffin-based "lubes" actually
lubricated (On the recommendation of a former employer who shall remain
nameless - this would've been the summer of '98, I think). How wrong I
was! I had never before - or since - worn out so many parts in such a
short time. I eventually figured out that the reason my drivetrain
stayed so clean and wore so fast was that there was nothing on it!

Since
then, I have found that any petroleum-based lube is the way to go. You
will need to wipe your chain on occasion, but you'll have the pleasure
of wiping the same chain for 2,000 miles, rather than a new chain every
300 miles (results may vary depending on riding style, maintenance
habits, etc).

I personally prefer Dumonde Tech Lubricants.
They have standard(wet/off road) and a light (dry/on road) formulas
that I've used and had great success with.

But really, as long
as you use something oily (you know, something that's actually
SLIPPERY), you'll be alright. Hell, Tri-Flow is better for your bike
than that waxed crap, as long as you use it properly.

***The key here, folks, is that you make sure to wipe off all excess lubricant before you put your bike away***

Wipe
your chain with a rag, and when that part of the rag looks dirty, use
another part of the rag, etc - your chain should look dry when you're
done. Just takes an extra 2 minutes, gains you an extra 1,000 miles -
Promise.

From: davecampbell828@charter.net
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:28:20 -0800
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it
because of cleanliness. However...
I have become convinced with recent long rides that
it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing)
and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas
like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good
in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big
greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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I also searched for the ultimate chain lube. Eventually, I made my own!

http://www.erikv.com/blog/index.cfm/2008/3/3/Chain-Lube

-Erik

> I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness.
> However...
> I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of
> a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry
> by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty
> un-lubing from the get go!
>
> What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get
> all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!
>
> ???
> Thanks,
> DC
>

Dan H

People are still trying wax? I thought Sheldon Brown put that myth to rest years ago...
Don't even start with the White Lightning!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Campbell
To: obra
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lube question

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...
I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC

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Dave Campbell

I have used Pedro's Ice wax for yrs. Love it because of cleanliness. However...
I have become convinced with recent long rides that it really isn't much of a lubricant! Seems to flake off (the clean thing) and chain is squeaky/dry by end of a 4/5 hr ride. When I go to dry areas like Arizona it is pretty un-lubing from the get go!

What are people using that lasts, protects, is good in wet, but doesn't get all black/gunky (like triflow used to) and make a big greasy mess!

???
Thanks,
DC