Enviro-Friendly home shop Part II

Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2008-03-07

If the brake pads have metal parts for mounting on the brake... put them in
the metal recycling bin (any of the pad material will be removed from the
metal in recycling process)... if not (just the replaceable pad) I am
guessing the landfill.
ron
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> One thing to consider: washing greasy rags vs. throwing them away or
> using paper towels.
>
> If you wash petrochemical contaminated rags where does the rinsate go?
> Is that better than throwing a greasy paper towel away? Which method has
> the lowest net impact on our environment?
>
> I faced a similar situation a few years ago with cloth (reusable) vs
> disposable diapers. Waste and contaminate potable water and introduce
> noxious chemical residue to the metro sewer system or simply throw
> something away.
>
> I decided that the net result favors disposal of diapers. I decided the
> same thing with greasy rags-- sometimes I don't think reuse is
> necessarily a good thing.
>
> I note that ProLink Gold chain lube claims to be non-toxic and
> "environmentally friendly". I use this (and another product- ATB). I
> wash my drivetrains with liquid dish soap and hot water (hot water ain't
> PRO, but... y'know) and there is very little in the way of toxic sludge
> to come off the drivetrain. I don't clean my chains with solvents
> anymore-- haven't for years. There's all sorts of citrus degreasers out
> there that work pretty well and are easier on my hands and the
> environment.
>
> As for used and broken bike parts? I'm intrinsically a pack rat and
> anything that could have any possible use in the future is saved. That
> said, anything metal goes in the recycling tubs. Our carriers will take
> metal parts up to 30 lbs. So unusable cogs, chainrings, old old
> handlebars, trashed rims, broken spokes, useless washers and nuts, and
> misc metal components find their way into the recycling tubs. This is
> why I don't like composite stuff-- the damaged composite seatpost will
> either go in the trash or be re-made into some sort of home furnishing
> (non weight-bearing). To throw it away would leave it to molder in the
> Earth for who know how long.
>
> Old tubes are useful for all sorts of things, plus I patch and patch and
> patch. So I have yet to throw away an old tube.
>
> As for brake pads? I don't know. I have a bunch that are sitting in my
> trash box. I hesitate to throw them out, but don't know what to do with
> them otherwise. They will eventually get tossed unless some use for them
> comes up.
>
> Every time I throw away a broken/used bike part, I'm very aware of the
> choice I'm making. Most times I just see no other alternative other than
> to create my own trash dump.
>
> It's this eventual end-of-life scenario that I think of whenever I'm
> faced with something so stupidly unserviceable like a Shimano STI lever.
> I have one right now, that for want of a small, stamped-steel
> hinge-plate, is garbage! How is that okay, Shimano? I wonder how many
> components have been thrown away because of some small, easily
> replaceable part that the manufacturer won't supply.
>
> Bottom line, I think that it's good to at least be aware and considerate
> of the choices one makes -- reuse, wash, recycle, or throw away.
>
> --
>
>
> "There's no time for sanity, chum!"
> -- The Tick
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2008-03-07

It is amazing what Dawn dishwashing liquid will clean (a little help from simple green as well). Chains and other parts are very clean when done.
Also you are so right about farming causing pollution. I grew up in what is called Treasure Valley in eastern Oregon. The Snake River runs right through the middle of said valley. It is one gob of muck after all of the farm chemicals that enter the river as it flows through southern Idaho. High yield potatoes need lots of help from chemicals. By the time the river passes the Treasure Valley and makes it to the reservoirs before Hells Canyon.... the water is actually a milky green because of the results of the pollution. I wonder if that water would clean up a chain (the miracle of chemistry again?).
ron
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:56 AM
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Oil is for the most part able to be eaten by bacteria. Way way way worse is to use any pesticide or weed killing crap on your lawn. Those are scary chemicals. The number one polluter of our water is from Lawn Chemicals (big business !) and from farmers (grew up on a farm, my parents went organic when organic was still largely unknown, so yes we know, hell farmers use to spread mercury on wheat (fungicide), my grandpa was one of them, anything for high yield.. )

Anyway, heavy metals and such are what create superfund sites, not "oil". Arsenic, Lead , mercury and Cadmium, etc..
That said should probably consider specific biodegradeable oil such as Rohloff oil.

Sewer systems are setup to clean and purify water, it best dump any sort of waste water down the drain.

Any oil, or refractory of, should be put into the waste engine oil recycling.

I usually clean my chain with soap and water.


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To: eric aldinger ; Patrick wilder
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 7:56:38 AM
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So you are saying you should dump hazardous waste on your lawn. I guess you can create your own superfund site.

Seriously, that is a incredibly poor suggestion. We spend billions to clean up issues like that and to prevent additional instances from ocurring and you advocate doing it on purpose.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "eric aldinger"
Shouldn't a lawn act to filter waste water, as long as you are not doing the work in the rain? Makes your top soil contaminated, but your children's children won't be farming there anyway.

2008/3/6 Patrick wilder :

To follow up on yesterday's post:
Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy wives out there with grease stains on their $100 jeans!!

I'm not a totally tree hugger here but lately I've been thinking about the impact of my own bike waste. Questions I've been thinking about:

What happens to the waste water when I wash the rags? Is this really acceptable? Where do I dump the grime after degreasing a chain. Not to mention the countless brake pads I go through a year. Are those even recyclable? Rotors and disc brake pads, old torn up seats, I've just been thinking lately that it seems wrong for that crap to just end up in a land fill. Guess I was looking for something a bit more in terms of a discussion.

Thanks

~Patrick

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Monty Hill

2008-03-07

I believe most of the environmental threat comes from providing electrical power. Electrical power used to produce and run computers. Our email chat expands our carbon footprint larger than a bit of old dinosaur bones. A political discussion of it's use is another subject.

Many of these rituals to absolve guilt of our environmental destruction are essential as effective as saying a few hail mary's

Actually I believe they are damaging as they create complacency when we have not really made any progress.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Erik Voldengen
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:56 AM
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Since I started using EVerLube two years ago, I know how much oil I've actually used, and thereby introduced into the environment via discarded rags, etc. It's MAYBE 1/2 quart. Maybe. That's over two years, servicing about four bikes. That makes my oil waste per bike to be about 1/16th of a quart per year, or four tablespoons. It's probably less than that. I think the Earth has much bigger problems.

-Erik


Brian Engelen

2008-03-07

I would like to sponsor EVerLube by planting a tree this weekend. No Lie.

Actually, does anyone use biodiesel for lube or solvent? I got some that's
made out of old cooking oil and have been told it's safe enough to drink and
it's biodegradable. I have my doubts.

Brian

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Erik Voldengen
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:56 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Enviro-Friendly home shop Part II

Since I started using EVerLube two years ago, I know how much oil I've
actually used, and thereby introduced into the environment via discarded
rags, etc. It's MAYBE 1/2 quart. Maybe. That's over two years, servicing
about four bikes. That makes my oil waste per bike to be about 1/16th of a
quart per year, or four tablespoons. It's probably less than that. I think
the Earth has much bigger problems.

-Erik


Mark J. Ginsberg

2008-03-07

Like Erik's 1964 VW bus sitting in his driveway that uses about 2 quarts of oil every time he drives to the shop to get more EVerlube.

Humor people Humor, now I gotta go run over some squirrels or masters racers.

ginsberg

Erik Voldengen wrote: Since I started using EVerLube two years ago, I know how much oil I've actually used, and thereby introduced into the environment via discarded rags, etc. It's MAYBE 1/2 quart. Maybe. That's over two years, servicing about four bikes. That makes my oil waste per bike to be about 1/16th of a quart per year, or four tablespoons. It's probably less than that. I think the Earth has much bigger problems.

-Erik

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Erik Voldengen

2008-03-07

Since I started using EVerLube two years ago, I know how much oil I've
actually used, and thereby introduced into the environment via discarded
rags, etc. It's MAYBE 1/2 quart. Maybe. That's over two years, servicing
about four bikes. That makes my oil waste per bike to be about 1/16th of a
quart per year, or four tablespoons. It's probably less than that. I think
the Earth has much bigger problems.

-Erik


Brian Baumann

2008-03-07

My greatest reuse invention ever: Old chains make
great birdfeeder holders. Plus, if you lube em a bit
the squirrels can't climb down and rob your birdfood.

Brian

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Kevin Hedahl

2008-03-07

A lot of what happens to oil after it is dumped depends on the soil layers
under the spill. There might be a shelf of bedrock or clay a few feet below
the surface that slopes to one side, causing the oil to run straight
downhill and into a storm drain or into the river. If this is the case, one
gallon of oil can create a slick on up to 8 acres worth of water. If the
bedrock or clay is in a bowl, it can capture the oil, causing a buildup of
heavy metals (yes, that's part of what's in the gunk buildup on your chain),
polluting your yard until you are required by law to spend a ton of money
cleaning it up.

In short, don't pollute.
Metrohas a
great system for getting rid of hazardous waste. It's fast and
generally free too.

Kevin Hedahl

2008/3/7 :

> I have worked for companies that spent millions to clean up oil that was
> dumped on property, and I know a few homeowners who spent a lot because
> their oil tank had a leak. I also and aware of a guy who had to spend some
> money because when he changed his oil in his car, he used to put it on weeds
> to kill them. When he tried to sell his house, he ended up having a lot of
> his lawn carted away when the seller found the contamination. Although
> bacteria eventually eats most of the oil, it still is a contaminate. Of
> course, eventually many of the hazardous substances eventually break down,
> but it usually takes quite a while and can enter the food chian long before
> that occurs. Even radioactive substances break down .... eventually.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: john
> Oil is for the most part able to be eaten by bacteria. Way way way
> worse is to use any pesticide or weed killing crap on your lawn. Those are
> scary chemicals. The number one polluter of our water is from Lawn
> Chemicals (big business !) and from farmers (grew up on a farm, my parents
> went organic when organic was still largely unknown, so yes we know, hell
> farmers use to spread mercury on wheat (fungicide), my grandpa was one of
> them, anything for high yield.. )
>
> Anyway, heavy metals and such are what create superfund sites, not "oil".
> Arsenic, Lead , mercury and Cadmium, etc..
> That said should probably consider specific biodegradeable oil such as
> Rohloff oil.
>
> Sewer systems are setup to clean and purify water, it best dump any sort
> of waste water down the drain.
>
> Any oil, or refractory of, should be put into the waste engine oil
> recycling.
>
> I usually clean my chain with soap and water.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "gschreckchat@comcast.net"
> To: eric aldinger ; Patrick wilder <
> patrickinportland@yahoo.com>
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 7:56:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Enviro-Friendly home shop Part II
>
> So you are saying you should dump hazardous waste on your lawn. I guess
> you can create your own superfund site.
>
> Seriously, that is a incredibly poor suggestion. We spend billions to
> clean up issues like that and to prevent additional instances from ocurring
> and you advocate doing it on purpose.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "eric aldinger"
> Shouldn't a lawn act to filter waste water, as long as you are not doing
> the work in the rain? Makes your top soil contaminated, but your children's
> children won't be farming there anyway.
>
> 2008/3/6 Patrick wilder :
>
> > To follow up on yesterday's post:
> > Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy wives out there with grease
> > stains on their $100 jeans!!
> >
> > I'm not a totally tree hugger here but lately I've been thinking about
> > the impact of my own bike waste. Questions I've been thinking about:
> >
> > What happens to the waste water when I wash the rags? Is this really
> > acceptable? Where do I dump the grime after degreasing a chain. Not to
> > mention the countless brake pads I go through a year. Are those even
> > recyclable? Rotors and disc brake pads, old torn up seats, I've just been
> > thinking lately that it seems wrong for that crap to just end up in a land
> > fill. Guess I was looking for something a bit more in terms of a
> > discussion.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Patrick
> >
> >
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Brian Johnson

2008-03-07

One thing to consider: washing greasy rags vs. throwing them away or
using paper towels.

If you wash petrochemical contaminated rags where does the rinsate go?
Is that better than throwing a greasy paper towel away? Which method has
the lowest net impact on our environment?

I faced a similar situation a few years ago with cloth (reusable) vs
disposable diapers. Waste and contaminate potable water and introduce
noxious chemical residue to the metro sewer system or simply throw
something away.

I decided that the net result favors disposal of diapers. I decided the
same thing with greasy rags-- sometimes I don't think reuse is
necessarily a good thing.

I note that ProLink Gold chain lube claims to be non-toxic and
"environmentally friendly". I use this (and another product- ATB). I
wash my drivetrains with liquid dish soap and hot water (hot water ain't
PRO, but... y'know) and there is very little in the way of toxic sludge
to come off the drivetrain. I don't clean my chains with solvents
anymore-- haven't for years. There's all sorts of citrus degreasers out
there that work pretty well and are easier on my hands and the environment.

As for used and broken bike parts? I'm intrinsically a pack rat and
anything that could have any possible use in the future is saved. That
said, anything metal goes in the recycling tubs. Our carriers will take
metal parts up to 30 lbs. So unusable cogs, chainrings, old old
handlebars, trashed rims, broken spokes, useless washers and nuts, and
misc metal components find their way into the recycling tubs. This is
why I don't like composite stuff-- the damaged composite seatpost will
either go in the trash or be re-made into some sort of home furnishing
(non weight-bearing). To throw it away would leave it to molder in the
Earth for who know how long.

Old tubes are useful for all sorts of things, plus I patch and patch and
patch. So I have yet to throw away an old tube.

As for brake pads? I don't know. I have a bunch that are sitting in my
trash box. I hesitate to throw them out, but don't know what to do with
them otherwise. They will eventually get tossed unless some use for them
comes up.

Every time I throw away a broken/used bike part, I'm very aware of the
choice I'm making. Most times I just see no other alternative other than
to create my own trash dump.

It's this eventual end-of-life scenario that I think of whenever I'm
faced with something so stupidly unserviceable like a Shimano STI lever.
I have one right now, that for want of a small, stamped-steel
hinge-plate, is garbage! How is that okay, Shimano? I wonder how many
components have been thrown away because of some small, easily
replaceable part that the manufacturer won't supply.

Bottom line, I think that it's good to at least be aware and considerate
of the choices one makes -- reuse, wash, recycle, or throw away.

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gschreckchat@comcast.net

2008-03-07

I have worked for companies that spent millions to clean up oil that was dumped on property, and I know a few homeowners who spent a lot because their oil tank had a leak. I also and aware of a guy who had to spend some money because when he changed his oil in his car, he used to put it on weeds to kill them. When he tried to sell his house, he ended up having a lot of his lawn carted away when the seller found the contamination. Although bacteria eventually eats most of the oil, it still is a contaminate. Of course, eventually many of the hazardous substances eventually break down, but it usually takes quite a while and can enter the food chian long before that occurs. Even radioactive substances break down .... eventually.

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From: john

Oil is for the most part able to be eaten by bacteria. Way way way worse is to use any pesticide or weed killing crap on your lawn. Those are scary chemicals. The number one polluter of our water is from Lawn Chemicals (big business !) and from farmers (grew up on a farm, my parents went organic when organic was still largely unknown, so yes we know, hell farmers use to spread mercury on wheat (fungicide), my grandpa was one of them, anything for high yield.. )

Anyway, heavy metals and such are what create superfund sites, not "oil". Arsenic, Lead , mercury and Cadmium, etc..
That said should probably consider specific biodegradeable oil such as Rohloff oil.

Sewer systems are setup to clean and purify water, it best dump any sort of waste water down the drain.

Any oil, or refractory of, should be put into the waste engine oil recycling.

I usually clean my chain with soap and water.


----- Original Message ----
From: "gschreckchat@comcast.net"
To: eric aldinger ; Patrick wilder
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 7:56:38 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Enviro-Friendly home shop Part II

So you are saying you should dump hazardous waste on your lawn. I guess you can create your own superfund site.

Seriously, that is a incredibly poor suggestion. We spend billions to clean up issues like that and to prevent additional instances from ocurring and you advocate doing it on purpose.

--

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(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "eric aldinger"
Shouldn't a lawn act to filter waste water, as long as you are not doing the work in the rain? Makes your top soil contaminated, but your children's children won't be farming there anyway.

2008/3/6 Patrick wilder :

To follow up on yesterday's post:
Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy wives out there with grease stains on their $100 jeans!!

I'm not a totally tree hugger here but lately I've been thinking about the impact of my own bike waste. Questions I've been thinking about:

What happens to the waste water when I wash the rags? Is this really acceptable? Where do I dump the grime after degreasing a chain. Not to mention the countless brake pads I go through a year. Are those even recyclable? Rotors and disc brake pads, old torn up seats, I've just been thinking lately that it seems wrong for that crap to just end up in a land fill. Guess I was looking for something a bit more in terms of a discussion.

Thanks

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Oil is for the most part able to be eaten by bacteria. Way way way worse is to use any pesticide or weed killing crap on your lawn. Those are scary chemicals. The number one polluter of our water is from Lawn Chemicals (big business !) and from farmers (grew up on a farm, my parents went organic when organic was still largely unknown, so yes we know, hell farmers use to spread mercury on wheat (fungicide), my grandpa was one of them, anything for high yield.. )

Anyway, heavy metals and such are what create superfund sites, not "oil". Arsenic, Lead , mercury and Cadmium, etc..
That said should probably consider specific biodegradeable oil such as Rohloff oil.

Sewer systems are setup to clean and purify water, it best dump any sort of waste water down the drain.

Any oil, or refractory of, should be put into the waste engine oil recycling.

I usually clean my chain with soap and water.

----- Original Message ----
From: "gschreckchat@comcast.net"
To: eric aldinger ; Patrick wilder
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 7:56:38 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Enviro-Friendly home shop Part II

So you are saying you should dump hazardous waste on your lawn. I guess you can create your own superfund site.

Seriously, that is a incredibly poor suggestion. We spend billions to clean up issues like that and to prevent additional instances from ocurring and you advocate doing it on purpose.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "eric aldinger"
Shouldn't a lawn act to filter waste water, as long as you are not doing the work in the rain? Makes your top soil contaminated, but your children's children won't be farming there anyway.

2008/3/6 Patrick wilder :

To follow up on yesterday's post:
Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy wives out there with grease stains on their $100 jeans!!

I'm not a totally tree hugger here but lately I've been thinking about the impact of my own bike waste. Questions I've been thinking about:

What happens to the waste water when I wash the rags? Is this really acceptable? Where do I dump the grime after degreasing a chain. Not to mention the countless brake pads I go through a year. Are those even recyclable? Rotors and disc brake pads, old torn up seats, I've just been thinking lately that it seems wrong for that crap to just end up in a land fill. Guess I was looking for something a bit more in terms of a discussion.

Thanks

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Jay Rideout

2008-03-07

I've run my petroleum based cleaners (kerosene, paint thinners) through a coffee filter/funnel and re-used them. Comes out grey but is clean and usable.

I used to mix 25% with my lawn mower gas and it didn't seem to bother the lawn mower to much. Just not using as much of that sort of stuff these days.

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So you are saying you should dump hazardous waste on your lawn. I guess you can create your own superfund site.

Seriously, that is a incredibly poor suggestion. We spend billions to clean up issues like that and to prevent additional instances from ocurring and you advocate doing it on purpose.

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From: "eric aldinger"
Shouldn't a lawn act to filter waste water, as long as you are not doing the work in the rain? Makes your top soil contaminated, but your children's children won't be farming there anyway.

2008/3/6 Patrick wilder :

To follow up on yesterday's post:
Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy wives out there with grease stains on their $100 jeans!!

I'm not a totally tree hugger here but lately I've been thinking about the impact of my own bike waste. Questions I've been thinking about:

What happens to the waste water when I wash the rags? Is this really acceptable? Where do I dump the grime after degreasing a chain. Not to mention the countless brake pads I go through a year. Are those even recyclable? Rotors and disc brake pads, old torn up seats, I've just been thinking lately that it seems wrong for that crap to just end up in a land fill. Guess I was looking for something a bit more in terms of a discussion.

Thanks

~Patrick


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gschreckchat@comcast.net

2008-03-07

So you are saying you should dump hazardous waste on your lawn. I guess you can create your own superfund site.

Seriously, that is a incredibly poor suggestion. We spend billions to clean up issues like that and to prevent additional instances from ocurring and you advocate doing it on purpose.

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From: "eric aldinger"
Shouldn't a lawn act to filter waste water, as long as you are not doing the work in the rain? Makes your top soil contaminated, but your children's children won't be farming there anyway.

2008/3/6 Patrick wilder :

To follow up on yesterday's post:
Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy wives out there with grease stains on their $100 jeans!!

I'm not a totally tree hugger here but lately I've been thinking about the impact of my own bike waste. Questions I've been thinking about:

What happens to the waste water when I wash the rags? Is this really acceptable? Where do I dump the grime after degreasing a chain. Not to mention the countless brake pads I go through a year. Are those even recyclable? Rotors and disc brake pads, old torn up seats, I've just been thinking lately that it seems wrong for that crap to just end up in a land fill. Guess I was looking for something a bit more in terms of a discussion.

Thanks

~Patrick

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eric aldinger

2008-03-06

Shouldn't a lawn act to filter waste water, as long as you are not doing the
work in the rain? Makes your top soil contaminated, but your children's
children won't be farming there anyway.

2008/3/6 Patrick wilder :

> To follow up on yesterday's post:
> Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy wives out there with grease stains
> on their $100 jeans!!
>
> I'm not a totally tree hugger here but lately I've been thinking about
> the impact of my own bike waste. Questions I've been thinking about:
>
> What happens to the waste water when I wash the rags? Is this really
> acceptable? Where do I dump the grime after degreasing a chain. Not to
> mention the countless brake pads I go through a year. Are those even
> recyclable? Rotors and disc brake pads, old torn up seats, I've just been
> thinking lately that it seems wrong for that crap to just end up in a land
> fill. Guess I was looking for something a bit more in terms of a
> discussion.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> ~Patrick
>
>
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Dan H

2008-03-06

Not sure about the other stuff but the rotors can be scrapped. Just drop then in the metal recycle truck in the parking lot of Johns Market in Multnomah Village.
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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:20 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Enviro-Friendly home shop Part II

To follow up on yesterday's post:
Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy wives out there with grease stains on their $100 jeans!!

I'm not a totally tree hugger here but lately I've been thinking about the impact of my own bike waste. Questions I've been thinking about:

What happens to the waste water when I wash the rags? Is this really acceptable? Where do I dump the grime after degreasing a chain. Not to mention the countless brake pads I go through a year. Are those even recyclable? Rotors and disc brake pads, old torn up seats, I've just been thinking lately that it seems wrong for that crap to just end up in a land fill. Guess I was looking for something a bit more in terms of a discussion.

Thanks

~Patrick

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2008-03-06

To follow up on yesterday's post:
Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy wives out there with grease stains on their $100 jeans!!

I'm not a totally tree hugger here but lately I've been thinking about the impact of my own bike waste. Questions I've been thinking about:

What happens to the waste water when I wash the rags? Is this really acceptable? Where do I dump the grime after degreasing a chain. Not to mention the countless brake pads I go through a year. Are those even recyclable? Rotors and disc brake pads, old torn up seats, I've just been thinking lately that it seems wrong for that crap to just end up in a land fill. Guess I was looking for something a bit more in terms of a discussion.

Thanks

~Patrick


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