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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Sprint, and Portland Velo. (john)
2. Re: Sprint, and Portland Velo. (r r)
3. Re: Sprint, and Portland Velo. (r r)
4. WTB-Ultegra 9spd rear der & Ultegra 9spd STI (Shannon Carney)
5. Re: Sprint (T. Kenji Sugahara)
6. FS: Mavic Ksyrium Elite Wheelset (Jacob Balderas)
7. Rideshare to Horning's Hustle? (Brian Johnson)
8. Sprint? (Quenton Conant)
9. Kenji's VeloNews comments (Jeff Lorenzen)
10. FS: Yakima 'Raptor' bike rack $50 (Ryan Van Dusen)
11. (no subject) (l j)
12. WTB: 56-58 Entry level road bike (Gary Malcolm)
13. FW: Kenji's VeloNews comments (Candi Murray)
14. The Date? (Jim Stuck)
15. Re: FW: Kenji's VeloNews comments (Joe Cipale)
16. Re: Your experience with X-Dog Events? (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
17. CN does it too! (Jeanie)
18. Re: Sprint, and Portland Velo. (Karleta Reierson)
19. Re: Kenji's VeloNews comments (veloboy366@netzero.net)
20. Re: Kenji's VeloNews comments (Candi Murray)
21. Re: Kenji's VeloNews comments (veloboy366@netzero.net)
22. blocked sprints, etc. (Don Hanson)
23. Re: FW: Kenji's VeloNews comments (Thomas Hoffman)
24. Another April Fools (Neil Green)
25. Parts for sale (will)
26. SEA OTTER ANYONE? (Zach Winter)
27. Rideshare to Horning's Hustle? (update) (Brian Johnson)
28. Willamette Registration (Mike Ripley)
29. Cat 4 Ladies @ WILLAMETTE (comotionclassic@comcast.net)
30. Re: Kenji's VeloNews comments (Judy Richardson DMS01)
31. Re: Kenji's VeloNews comments (Pam Reid)
32. Re: Cat 4 Ladies @ WILLAMETTE (Karleta Reierson)
33. Re: blocked sprints, etc. (jboquiren@comcast.net)
34. Re: Cat 4 Ladies @ WILLAMETTE (Melissa Boyd)
35. Re: blocked sprints, etc. (Joe Cipale)
36. Re: Rideshare to Horning's Hustle? (update) (Thomas Hoffman)
37. FS: 9 Speed Drivetrain (Jeff)
38. Re: Kenji's VeloNews comments (T. Kenji Sugahara)
39. Re: blocked sprints, etc. (Luciano bailey)
40. Off topic: financial planner (Joanne leyva)
41. Parts for sale (Update) (will)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:26:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: john
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
To: obra@list.obra.org
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The issue seems to be that many of us don't do enough road racing. I don't anymore, but use too in the midwest . If I wanted a chance at top ten in a field sprint i would start movingup at least 10 miles from the finish, this is not an exaggeration if large fields of skilled pack riders. It was hard to move up, usuallycould only do it at corners or if someone attacked and things openedup and then you had to jam faster than everyone else, and then once you were up front, you had to be assertive, and attack occasionally just tostay.
In a real road race, ie POC, if the pack is bunched and your 2 k from the line and not in the first 3 or 4 lines, you don't stand a chance, ok slight maybe only if someone jumps soon and things open (i would usually be the guy sitting in 3rd line praying someone would jump things would open and soon). If you come up on 500 m and still bunched, and not in the first two maybe three lines, you really don't stand a chance even if your a great sprinter.
Pros coming with lead out trains, thats not really controlling the pack, rather its power and speed and everyone trying to stay with or trying to get by with their own line.
PIR finishing tactics are not on the same planet as road racing finish tactics.
----- Original Message ----
From: Quenton Conant
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:38:49 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
Ok. All this finger pointing is kinda lame.
Personally, I've found PV riders are always willing to jump in the mix, help out, and work together. They're always willing to share the work, and race with class. I've never had a truely negative experience from them while racing.
It sucks being a solo rider and having a larger team or two try and controll the race. It's fruterating as hell. In the end, if you're smart, that experience as a solo rider will most likely make you a better racer.
now on to....
I don't think openeing the road before 200m would make anything safer to begin with. You'd just have more people with more space to get reckless in. Wide roads may make it easier to get around when you're cruising in the low to mid 20's, but when the pace picks up it strings out anyways, and one lane is plenty.
As far as moving up is concerned. yeah, it sucks when there's not movement up front and the pace drops, or it gets hard to manouver around. But that's just the way it goes sometimes. After a season or two I think most people feel comfortable enough to ride between riders safely. Practice it on a group ride sometime. Some perceptions of what's dangerous and what's not change with experience, and comfort.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:40:46 -0700
From: r r
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
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Yes, yes they are. Is PIR not a race on the road? And if you watch any race on TV, its the pretty close to the same as PIR. And in some ways, having it narrow destroys such phenomenal spectacles of athleticism such as Robbie McEwin flatting in the final k's, not at the front, and using his team to come around the field and sprint to victory at the last second in stage one of TDF. Granted the TDF and OBRA is like comparing apples and oranges (so please dont go off on that tangent because i just confessed to the difference).
But in the end...just having longer, wide finish stretch would be nice. Just like having the entire road for the entire race would be sweet, but will never happen at this level of racing. I mean, if it were such as you say, pro races would stay one lane as well, since you should be in the front at to begin with, but it dont work that way.
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:26:46 -0700
From: twotiretinker-obra2@yahoo.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
The issue seems to be that many of us don't do enough road racing. I don't anymore, but use too in the midwest . If I wanted a chance at top ten in a field sprint i would start moving
up at least 10 miles from the finish, this is not an exaggeration if large fields of skilled pack riders. It was hard to move up, usually
could only do it at corners or if someone attacked and things opened
up and then you had to jam faster than everyone else, and then once you were up front, you had to be assertive, and attack occasionally just to
stay.
In a real road race, ie POC, if the pack is bunched and your 2 k from the line and not in the first 3 or 4 lines, you don't stand a chance, ok slight maybe only if someone jumps soon and things open (i would usually be the guy sitting in 3rd line praying someone would jump things would open and soon). If you come up on 500 m and still bunched, and not in the first two maybe three lines, you really don't stand a chance even if your a great sprinter.
Pros coming with lead out trains, thats not really controlling the pack, rather its power and speed and everyone trying to stay with or trying to get by with their own line.
PIR finishing tactics are not on the same planet as road racing finish tactics.
----- Original
Message ----
From: Quenton Conant
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:38:49 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
Ok. All this finger pointing is kinda lame.
Personally, I've found PV riders are always willing to jump in the mix, help out, and work together. They're always willing to share the work, and race with class. I've never had a truely negative experience from them while racing.
It sucks being a solo rider and having a larger team or two try and controll the race. It's fruterating as hell. In the end, if you're smart, that experience as a solo rider will most likely make you a better racer.
now on to....
I don't think openeing the road before 200m would make anything safer to begin with. You'd just have more people with more space to get reckless in. Wide roads may make it easier to get around when you're cruising in the low to mid 20's, but when the pace picks up it strings out anyways, and one lane is plenty.
As far as moving up is concerned. yeah, it sucks when there's not movement up front and the pace drops,
or it gets hard to manouver around. But that's just the way it goes sometimes. After a season or two I think most people feel comfortable enough to ride between riders safely. Practice it on a group ride sometime. Some perceptions of what's dangerous and what's not change with experience, and comfort.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:56:29 -0700
From: r r
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
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Why must anyone that mentions or suggest any sort of change automatically becomes ostrosive (yes this is misspelled, but I'm too tired to figure it out right now and spell check is being cool) and criticized in OBRA land. Why not embrace the fact that we all think differently, and when someone thinks outside the box, to just think about it and consider it rather than instantly par-take in scrutinizing and attacking the person who is just merely throwing out a thought to just ponder over. It is really sad to see. Our OBRA is grand, making it probably the best state to race in. But nothing is ever perfect, and if someone steps up with an idea, it would benefit us all if its just merely considered. Maybe if one idea would be talked about in a non-bias, debatable manner, it would encourage more people to voice their ideas to be considered. Yes, a democracy in sense. But with people constantly being attacked and ridiculed on this chat, it makes it hard for anyone to even gain to c
ourage to ask a simple question in fear of the wrath that will be released upon them. This is not an attack, so please do not right any sort of negative or attacking response back. Like we learned in elementary school, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. Sometimes silence can be the strongest response.
Thank you all for your time
From: bikexcr@hotmail.com
To: twotiretinker-obra2@yahoo.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:40:46 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
Yes, yes they are. Is PIR not a race on the road? And if you watch any race on TV, its the pretty close to the same as PIR. And in some ways, having it narrow destroys such phenomenal spectacles of athleticism such as Robbie McEwin flatting in the final k's, not at the front, and using his team to come around the field and sprint to victory at the last second in stage one of TDF. Granted the TDF and OBRA is like comparing apples and oranges (so please dont go off on that tangent because i just confessed to the difference).
But in the end...just having longer, wide finish stretch would be nice. Just like having the entire road for the entire race would be sweet, but will never happen at this level of racing. I mean, if it were such as you say, pro races would stay one lane as well, since you should be in the front at to begin with, but it dont work that way.
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:26:46 -0700
From: twotiretinker-obra2@yahoo.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
The issue seems to be that many of us don't do enough road racing. I don't anymore, but use too in the midwest . If I wanted a chance at top ten in a field sprint i would start moving
up at least 10 miles from the finish, this is not an exaggeration if large fields of skilled pack riders. It was hard to move up, usually
could only do it at corners or if someone attacked and things opened
up and then you had to jam faster than everyone else, and then once you were up front, you had to be assertive, and attack occasionally just to
stay.
In a real road race, ie POC, if the pack is bunched and your 2 k from the line and not in the first 3 or 4 lines, you don't stand a chance, ok slight maybe only if someone jumps soon and things open (i would usually be the guy sitting in 3rd line praying someone would jump things would open and soon). If you come up on 500 m and still bunched, and not in the first two maybe three lines, you really don't stand a chance even if your a great sprinter.
Pros coming with lead out trains, thats not really controlling the pack, rather its power and speed and everyone trying to stay with or trying to get by with their own line.
PIR finishing tactics are not on the same planet as road racing finish tactics.
----- Original
Message ----
From: Quenton Conant
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:38:49 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
Ok. All this finger pointing is kinda lame.
Personally, I've found PV riders are always willing to jump in the mix, help out, and work together. They're always willing to share the work, and race with class. I've never had a truely negative experience from them while racing.
It sucks being a solo rider and having a larger team or two try and controll the race. It's fruterating as hell. In the end, if you're smart, that experience as a solo rider will most likely make you a better racer.
now on to....
I don't think openeing the road before 200m would make anything safer to begin with. You'd just have more people with more space to get reckless in. Wide roads may make it easier to get around when you're cruising in the low to mid 20's, but when the pace picks up it strings out anyways, and one lane is plenty.
As far as moving up is concerned. yeah, it sucks when there's not movement up front and the pace drops,
or it gets hard to manouver around. But that's just the way it goes sometimes. After a season or two I think most people feel comfortable enough to ride between riders safely. Practice it on a group ride sometime. Some perceptions of what's dangerous and what's not change with experience, and comfort.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:15:43 -0700
From: "Shannon Carney"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB-Ultegra 9spd rear der & Ultegra 9spd STI
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Looking for a set of Ultegra (or DA) 9spd STI (Flight Deck Era, for double
chainring setup) and short cage Ultegra (or DA) Rear Der.
Prefer excellent to good condition..
Email me with what you have...
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:43:30 -0700
From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint
To: r r
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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A couple things-
First off, your feedback is always appreciated and critical to the
growth of OBRA, and I always am willing to listen.
That said, each race venue has its unique characteristics. This one
in particular has narrow roads. It would seem that would be intuitive
that opening a road up at 700m or having a wide finishing stretch
would alleviate some issues. However, as we have seen from many other
races, this is not often the case. I think a lot more has to do with
pack dynamics and risky behavior. Most accidents are caused by
inattention or behavior that riders should not be engaging in.
(sweeping without looking behind, removing articles of clothing in the
middle of a pack, riding on the side of the road or not riding
predictably)
While opening up at 700m would be great, most races would still end up
with riders in 1 or 2 triangles as folks still follow wheels and
maximize draft. I see most issues when people decide to move out of
the draft and sprint. That lateral movement can cause bumping and/or
take out a wheel. That's why it's so important to pay attention to
your surroundings.
In regard to POC, I specifically tailored my race strategy to the
course. I knew the character of the race beforehand and that you need
to move up early on in the game. The course is akin to the Vancouver
Crit. You need to be in the top 10-20 before the last lap starts to
have a chance at scoring well.
I started moving up to the top 15 or so with about 1.25 laps to go.
You really have to fight to keep your position- and I knew that the
back half of the pack would be locked in with about 1 lap to go, the
top 1/3 with about a half lap to go and the top 1/4 with .25 to go.
As you get to the left hander, I took the line on the right hand side
as most people pile into what is assumed the faster line on the
inside. So... something to think about, always tailor your race
strategy to the course and course conditions.
In terms of the blocking issue, it's really interesting as it seems to
crop up every year at about this time. (Take a look at the archives
2007, April 3rd or so) Also... please refrain from behavior that you
yourself would not like to be subject to.
On Mar 31, 2008, at 9:56 PM, r r wrote:
> Why must anyone that mentions or suggest any sort of change
> automatically becomes ostrosive (yes this is misspelled, but I'm too
> tired to figure it out right now and spell check is being cool) and
> criticized in OBRA land. Why not embrace the fact that we all think
> differently, and when someone thinks outside the box, to just think
> about it and consider it rather than instantly par-take in
> scrutinizing and attacking the person who is just merely throwing
> out a thought to just ponder over. It is really sad to see. Our OBRA
> is grand, making it probably the best state to race in. But nothing
> is ever perfect, and if someone steps up with an idea, it would
> benefit us all if its just merely considered. Maybe if one idea
> would be talked about in a non-bias, debatable manner, it would
> encourage more people to voice their ideas to be considered. Yes, a
> democracy in sense. But with people constantly being attacked and
> ridiculed on this chat, it makes it hard for anyone to even gain to
> courage to ask a simple question in fear of the wrath that will be
> released upon them. This is not an attack, so please do not right
> any sort of negative or attacking response back. Like we learned in
> elementary school, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say
> anything at all. Sometimes silence can be the strongest response.
>
> Thank you all for your time
>
> From: bikexcr@hotmail.com
> To: twotiretinker-obra2@yahoo.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:40:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
>
> Yes, yes they are. Is PIR not a race on the road? And if you watch
> any race on TV, its the pretty close to the same as PIR. And in some
> ways, having it narrow destroys such phenomenal spectacles of
> athleticism such as Robbie McEwin flatting in the final k's, not at
> the front, and using his team to come around the field and sprint to
> victory at the last second in stage one of TDF. Granted the TDF and
> OBRA is like comparing apples and oranges (so please dont go off on
> that tangent because i just confessed to the difference).
> But in the end...just having longer, wide finish stretch would be
> nice. Just like having the entire road for the entire race would be
> sweet, but will never happen at this level of racing. I mean, if it
> were such as you say, pro races would stay one lane as well, since
> you should be in the front at to begin with, but it dont work that
> way.
>
>
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:26:46 -0700
> From: twotiretinker-obra2@yahoo.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
>
> The issue seems to be that many of us don't do enough road racing.
> I don't anymore, but use too in the midwest . If I wanted a chance
> at top ten in a field sprint i would start moving up at least 10
> miles from the finish, this is not an exaggeration if large fields
> of skilled pack riders. It was hard to move up, usually could only
> do it at corners or if someone attacked and things opened up and
> then you had to jam faster than everyone else, and then once you
> were up front, you had to be assertive, and attack occasionally just
> to stay.
>
> In a real road race, ie POC, if the pack is bunched and your 2 k
> from the line and not in the first 3 or 4 lines, you don't stand a
> chance, ok slight maybe only if someone jumps soon and things open
> (i would usually be the guy sitting in 3rd line praying someone
> would jump things would open and soon). If you come up on 500 m
> and still bunched, and not in the first two maybe three lines, you
> really don't stand a chance even if your a great sprinter.
>
> Pros coming with lead out trains, thats not really controlling the
> pack, rather its power and speed and everyone trying to stay with or
> trying to get by with their own line.
>
> PIR finishing tactics are not on the same planet as road racing
> finish tactics.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Quenton Conant
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:38:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
>
> Ok. All this finger pointing is kinda lame.
>
> Personally, I've found PV riders are always willing to jump in the
> mix, help out, and work together. They're always willing to share
> the work, and race with class. I've never had a truely negative
> experience from them while racing.
>
> It sucks being a solo rider and having a larger team or two try and
> controll the race. It's fruterating as hell. In the end, if you're
> smart, that experience as a solo rider will most likely make you a
> better racer.
>
> now on to....
>
> I don't think openeing the road before 200m would make anything
> safer to begin with. You'd just have more people with more space to
> get reckless in. Wide roads may make it easier to get around when
> you're cruising in the low to mid 20's, but when the pace picks up
> it strings out anyways, and one lane is plenty.
>
> As far as moving up is concerned. yeah, it sucks when there's not
> movement up front and the pace drops, or it gets hard to manouver
> around. But that's just the way it goes sometimes. After a season or
> two I think most people feel comfortable enough to ride between
> riders safely. Practice it on a group ride sometime. Some
> perceptions of what's dangerous and what's not change with
> experience, and comfort.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:59:57 -0700
From: "Jacob Balderas"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Mavic Ksyrium Elite Wheelset
To:
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Mavic Ksyrium Elite Wheelset. 700c. In great shape. Low wear. $275
here is a link to the craigslist post:
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/626026884.html
Please email me at balderasjacob@hotmail.com if you're interested.
-Jacob
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:11:49 -0700
From: Brian Johnson
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rideshare to Horning's Hustle?
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Anyone need a ride to Horning's Hustle this weekend? Please save me
from the ignominy of "single passenger vehicle syndrome". It seems a
shame to burn up $3.40/gal. gas to get just my flabby butt out there.
I've got room for one passenger.
Drop me a line and let me know!
Brian J.
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vegetables."
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:36:44 -0700
From: Quenton Conant
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sprint?
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Hey, when the Landis thing is over, do you think we could get Judge Judy to referee?
go read cyclingnews...
it's a great early morning to read the news.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lorenzen
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
To: obra
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Check 'em out!
http://www.velonews.com/article/74002/tueday-news-briefs-new-aso-rules-ball-buys-time-obra-bans
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:45:20 -0700
From: "Ryan Van Dusen"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Yakima 'Raptor' bike rack $50
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I'm parting with my rack system and upgrading to what I should've purchased
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:45:30 -0700
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Did I just read that Kenji has banned Chris Horner and Astana from riding in our races?
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:51:07 -0700
From: "Gary Malcolm"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: 56-58 Entry level road bike
To: "obra"
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Another day, another friend looking to get on a bike.
Are there any decent $500-$700 range road bikes out there making your
garage cluttered and/or spouse gnash his/her teeth at your little eBay
'issue'? I have a friend who would love to take your machine given the
following requirements are roughly met:
Well kept, integrated shifters, life left in the drive train and no
rusty bits caught in the spokes. Anything out there?
Regards,
Gary Malcolm
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:10:52 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Kenji's VeloNews comments
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The quote does not make much sense. Cascade is a USAC event. Nothing OBRA
does would affect Astana's entry in the event.
Candi
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Lorenzen
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:51 AM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
Check 'em out!
http://www.velonews.com/article/74002/tueday-news-briefs-new-aso-rules-ball-
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:11:47 -0700
From: Jim Stuck
Subject: [OBRA Chat] The Date?
To: obra@list.obra.org
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And todays date is what?
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:12:55 -0700
From: "Joe Cipale"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Kenji's VeloNews comments
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <200804011512.m31FCtVc014450@sapphire.spiritone.com>
Huhlllooooo...
Can you all say 'April Fools'?
This is a typical VN prank story. They pull one over every year. =)
Joe
Candi Murray wrote:
> =20
> The quote does not make much sense. Cascade is a USAC event. Nothing OBRA
> does would affect Astana's entry in the event.
> =20
>
> Candi=20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Lorenzen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:51 AM
> To: obra
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
>
>
> Check 'em out!
> =20
> http://www.velonews.com/article/74002/tueday-news-briefs-new-aso-rules-ball-
> buys-time-obra-bans
> =20
> =20
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:15:31 -0700
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Your experience with X-Dog Events?
To: "David Diviney" ,
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I do not participate in this event and accept your first hand experience as I accept the previous two posts. I agree to an extent that "the littering is on the folks that do it", but the organizer needs to take responsibility for final clean-up/repair etc. Yes animals do run all over the woods, but they can do it without the destruction we humans are capable of when done for "our convenience". I love mountain biking and think it can be done in a very low impact manner that helps people get out in the beautiful areas hard to see. But... I have seen trails torn apart and even disregarded by other riders that are blowing off the trails with total disregard for the damage done. This is not so bad when it is taking place in an area that is heavily used (specifically for racing or heavy recreation... like the ski bowl area for example) and repaired on a regular basis. The destructive behavior is being encouraged by the mountain bike industry because they are producing more an
d more bikes that are meant to go "over or through" almost any type of obstacle. They are like mini Hummers. A bull in a china shop. When this type of behavior and equipment is used in areas set aside for "Big" hits or whatever one calls it... that is great. But people (even not on bikes) that are out of control out in the woods can do alot of damage. It will never be stopped, but like you being onboard with your X-Dog events, I am on board with trying to not have a huge negative impact out in the woods. Please do not think I am attacking you or X-Dog. I just think we need to respect all these areas out there. I believe the plants and creatures out there need to have a place to live that is not constantly shrinking. This is my view. We can have places to play and still maintain places for other life to continue to exist.
thanks for understanding
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: David Diviney
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Your experience with X-Dog Events?
It is what it is and I like it. The races are fairly low tech and simple. Part racing, part running and riding around in the woods. He's not OBRA (hyper-organized and by the book), and he doesn't charge $150 for a sprint triathlon. Simple races with beer and split pea soup. His races appeal to me because no else puts on the kind of races he does. No damage done yesterday. Running in the woods is not bad, animals do it all the time. Hagg Lake is no worse for the wear and people got to get out on a rainy day and get some exercise. If people were littering, it's on them. I don't know about the salmon spawning grounds. He's got a solid following and I'm in it.
Chad wrote:
X-Dog is a poorly run organization that used to do a marathon and triathlon
out in the Gorge before ODOT and City of Hood River refused to permit their
events anymore due to a number of infractions and bounced permit checks.
For more info on the type of support and organization check out the
following link on feedback from the last Gorge Marathon run by this
organizer http://www.marathonguide.com/races/racedetails.cfm?MIDD=733050605
Chad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Your experience with X-Dog Events?
>I just participated in my second (and FINAL) event with X-Dog Events. Has
>anyone else ever participated in any of their events?
>
> This last summer, someone on the OBRA list posted their concern about the
> lack of consideration for the environment with regards to an unnamed event
> organization (which was obviously X-Dog). The post was about how a
> scrambling course went right through protected Salmon spawning grounds and
> such...without the proper notification and permits.
>
> Yesterday's race seemed to take everything anyone of us know or have
> learned about preserving trails and leaving no trace on our surroundings
> completely out the window. Let's just say there was a lot of "encouraged"
> traffic in sensitive/no-trail areas and very little care taken to keep
> from widening already existing trails.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> -will
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:15:30 -0700
From: Jeanie
Subject: [OBRA Chat] CN does it too!
To: obra@list.obra.org
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CN, pulled a good one too. The "Mystic Manchester" is hilarious.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/apr08/apr01newsspecial
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:19:34 -0700
From: Karleta Reierson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
To: J.Michael Manning , Quenton Conant
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Well said!!!!
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> To: qconant@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:19:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
>
>
> Yes, I have to agree that we digress. Racing will always have its frustrations as well as challenges. I think those of us with any experience will readily admit that every category has its share of wheel suckers and sandbaggers. The elite category is probably the only group that consistently attacks and keeps the pace high enough to ride the weaker riders off the back. Whether it's because we are not willing, due to reduced athletic ability that seems to come with aging, or because we have decided that winning requires sitting in as long as possible, most of the Masters riders are simply not that aggressive. The younger and less experienced Cat 5's are still trying to figure out what their strengths are and how to best utilize them. Knowing how far one can maintain a sprint effort only comes with experience. I feel that being aggressive is what allows a rider to fully understand their limits. And you might actually make a break or even win!
>
> Positioning is critical going into the sprint, and not everyone is going to be able to make it into the top ten before the sprint starts. But, unless you are willing to work hard enough to get there, you don't deserve to win anyway. Every week, there are guys who will wait until they reach the magic "200" mark before they pour it on. That effort should start well before the 200 meter mark. By then it's simply too late. But that doesn't mean attacking at 400 either. It's a matter of positioning and winding up until sprinting is just the next natural progression. Opening the road earlier doesn't change that fact.
> Mike Manning
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:38:49 -0700
>> From: qconant@gmail.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint, and Portland Velo.
>>
>> Ok. All this finger pointing is kinda lame.
>>
>> Personally, I've found PV riders are always willing to jump in the mix, help out, and work together. They're always willing to share the work, and race with class. I've never had a truely negative experience from them while racing.
>>
>> It sucks being a solo rider and having a larger team or two try and controll the race. It's fruterating as hell. In the end, if you're smart, that experience as a solo rider will most likely make you a better racer.
>>
>> now on to....
>>
>> I don't think openeing the road before 200m would make anything safer to begin with. You'd just have more people with more space to get reckless in. Wide roads may make it easier to get around when you're cruising in the low to mid 20's, but when the pace picks up it strings out anyways, and one lane is plenty.
>>
>> As far as moving up is concerned. yeah, it sucks when there's not movement up front and the pace drops, or it gets hard to manouver around. But that's just the way it goes sometimes. After a season or two I think most people feel comfortable enough to ride between riders safely. Practice it on a group ride sometime. Some perceptions of what's dangerous and what's not change with experience, and comfort.
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:18:15 GMT
From: "veloboy366@netzero.net"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
To: obra369@yahoo.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Great...so now we're right in line with a couple of organizations with their heads firmly stuck in the asses! What did Astana do? Isn't it a completely different team? I'm always amazed at the fact that at anytime anybody can accuse a rider, say they have evidence, not actually present any, and that rider is then "black listed" and completely screwed. For this reason cycling sucks! It's a shame I love it soo much or I'd find something else to get in to. I'm with Horner, I mean what the hell? I'd rather not let Rock Racing in. (sorry Doug) I mean, OJ Simpson!!!???? You've got to be kidding me. I'll take an accused doper over a frickin' killer any day of the week!
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:24:11 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
To: ,
Message-ID: <002a01c8940c$6fa3e6f0$9701a8c0@8A287A4ADEF0487>
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I fell for it to.
April's Fools.
Candi Murray
Assistant Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of veloboy366@netzero.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:18 AM
To: obra369@yahoo.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
Great...so now we're right in line with a couple of organizations with their
heads firmly stuck in the asses! What did Astana do? Isn't it a completely
different team? I'm always amazed at the fact that at anytime anybody can
accuse a rider, say they have evidence, not actually present any, and that
rider is then "black listed" and completely screwed. For this reason
cycling sucks! It's a shame I love it soo much or I'd find something else
to get in to. I'm with Horner, I mean what the hell? I'd rather not let
Rock Racing in. (sorry Doug) I mean, OJ Simpson!!!???? You've got to be
kidding me. I'll take an accused doper over a frickin' killer any day of
the week!
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:23:49 GMT
From: "veloboy366@netzero.net"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
To: veloboy366@netzero.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Well then...damn April fools.
I still stand by the rest of my rantings.
...stupid Velonews.
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:13:33 -0800
From: "Don Hanson"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] blocked sprints, etc.
To:
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I wasn't there at Piece of Cake but I heard about it from another older
master's racer who was there, racing in the 4-5s. Maybe there could be a
few more events with separate classes for us old racers. I only recall one
last year, the State RR, where there was a separate start for us. Start us
a minute behind another class and leave out the wheel cars, if you must.
That would cut down on the congestion during the sprints.
I was in a race with a bunch from Team Zoka last season. They were 4 wide
and very vocal. They were spending more time looking over their shoulders
than watching ahead. With about a mile to go, they had the pace held at
about 20mph. Was it worth risking an attempt to bust through their
blockade? With about 40 other riders, those held in the rear, depending on
the 'contact riding skills' of whichever rider was 'rammed, slammed,
elbowed, kicked, pushed, whaterver'...in order to get past their rolling
road block?--that kinda makes the racing a bit 'sketchy'. Not worth taking
out the whole pack with a big crash. Tactics like NASCAR or that old
Roller Derby. TV sport?.. A slug-fest on bikes?..hmmm..
Don Hanson
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:22:52 -0700
From: "Thomas Hoffman"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Kenji's VeloNews comments
To: ,
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Yeah Like Chris Horner would even stain his deck!
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Cipale
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:13 AM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Kenji's VeloNews comments
Huhlllooooo...
Can you all say 'April Fools'?
This is a typical VN prank story. They pull one over every year. =)
Joe
Candi Murray wrote:
> =20
> The quote does not make much sense. Cascade is a USAC event. Nothing OBRA
> does would affect Astana's entry in the event.
> =20
>
> Candi=20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Lorenzen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:51 AM
> To: obra
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
>
>
> Check 'em out!
> =20
>
http://www.velonews.com/article/74002/tueday-news-briefs-new-aso-rules-ball-
> buys-time-obra-bans
> =20
> =20
>
>
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:24:20 -0700
From: Neil Green
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Another April Fools
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <47f261b466c72_4028159b53e088d82761@lizard.tmail>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Now that we've all had a good laugh thanks to Kenji...checkout the new carbon wrap system reviewed on Cyclingnews.com...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/reviews/april1_carbon_wrapit08
Cool!!!
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:36:04 -0700
From: will
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Parts for sale
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <47f26474bf8bc_4025157a1d44643c36d3@lizard.tmail>
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I've got the following for sale -OR- trade:
>'03-'04 XT rear derailleur/med cage/top normal - $15
>'06 XT rear derailleur/long cage/top normal/like new - $20
>'03-'04 XTR rear derailleur/long cage/top normal - $30
>LX shifter pods/9-speed/left & right/gear indicators/like new - $20
>XT shifter pods/9-speed/left & right/no gear indicators - $15
>XT cassette/9-speed/5-arm spider/less than 150 miles - $15
>XT crankset/octalink bb included/chainrings - $15
>U.S.E. suspension seatpost/shim for 27.2 only - $10
>RockShox fork/TORA 318/Solo Air/no starnut/never ridden/disc only/came with Santa Cruz Superlight & removed/like new - $250 OBO
Prices are firm except for the FORK and maybe if you talk to me nice :)
Willing to trade ONLY for the following:
-->Eggbeater SL's and above
-->Candy C's and above
-->9-speed STI road shifters (left & right) 105 and above
I will only take checks from my OBRA peeps...so cash only for the rest of you monkeys...
E-mail is best, first come...first serve.
Thanks for looking.
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:53:07 -0700
From: Zach Winter
Subject: [OBRA Chat] SEA OTTER ANYONE?
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <47f26873c6bf2_402e1598f3c8732c206d@lizard.tmail>
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Just curious if anyone is going to Sea Otter and has some spare
OOOOM? I've got some spare $$$$$$$-KASH-$$$$$$$$. ok, not that many figures. But after I secure my future in pro cycling after winning every race down there I will give you my cut :)
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:57:19 -0700
From: Brian Johnson
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rideshare to Horning's Hustle? (update)
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Hey all,
Whoops-- I forgot to mention:
I'm in Lake Oswego near I-5. I don't have a problem picking someone
up that's kind of on the way.
> Anyone need a ride to Horning's Hustle this weekend? Please save me
> from the ignominy of "single passenger vehicle syndrome". It seems a
> shame to burn up $3.40/gal. gas to get just my flabby butt out there.
>
> I've got room for one passenger.
>
> Drop me a line and let me know!
Brian J.
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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:10:07 -0700
From: "Mike Ripley"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Willamette Registration
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Hello,
Online Registration ends in 10 hrs for Willamette and with the amount of
people showing up on race day to register at the races, you may want to get
it out of the way and sign up tonight before Thursday at the Prologue in
Coburg or in Alpine on Friday to get your spot on the start line. We do need
a few more cat 4 women and or masters 4 women to get to 15 to make that race
happen. Thanks for all of the support and I will post final updates on
Housing later tonight.
Train Safe
Mike Ripley
Mudslinger Events/ Willamette Stage Race
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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:02:02 +0000
From: comotionclassic@comcast.net
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cat 4 Ladies @ WILLAMETTE
To: obra@list.obra.org, wsba@wsba.wsbaracing.com
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Dear Cat 4 Ladies:
WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?!??????
All of the other fields are growing daily, and the one group that requested a race is not showing up.
We need at least 15 riders to make it happen.
Send us an email if you have not registered yet but are planning to come.
Sal Collura
WILLAMETTE
salcollura@hotmail.com
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Message: 30
Date: 01 Apr 2008 13:29:57 -0400
From: Judy.Richardson.DMS01@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Judy Richardson DMS01)
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
To: obra369@yahoo.com (Jeff Lorenzen), obra@list.obra.org
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DUDE--LET LEVI RIDE--
Just for the record, if Levi wants to ride as a pro-guest
in our MHCC Kids Crit here in The Dalles, I'll start the
petition - who knows, maybe we can convince Chad to make
an exception- I mean it's not like he's a cat 4 woman or
something super sketchy like that (snicker, snicker, sorry
Chad). BUT hey -- he will have to cover up those banned
Astana colors with a kit from our much loved local shop,
Salmon Cyclery... unless Zimbelman has objections...
---Jeff Lorenzen wrote ---
Check 'em out!
http://www.velonews.com/article/74002/tueday-news-briefs-
new-aso-rules-ball-buys-time-obra-bans
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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pam Reid
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
To: Jeff Lorenzen , obra
Message-ID: <18479.20825.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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It is April Fools day!
----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Lorenzen
To: obra
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 6:50:54 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Kenji's VeloNews comments
Check 'em out!
http://www.velonews.com/article/74002/tueday-news-briefs-new-aso-rules-ball-buys-time-obra-bans
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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:34:06 -0700
From: Karleta Reierson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cat 4 Ladies @ WILLAMETTE
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We are probably still all stunned and recovering from all the badgering we got from the Washington "Group Health" at the Piece of Cake! Not a very nice group of gals at all! I just have to say Wow! We have heard from the men whining now for the last few days, and nothing from the women about the last sundays race. Now we all know men are more emotional than women. Great job to all the Oregon women out there racing last Sunday Cat. 4 group! That was crazy!
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> From: comotionclassic@comcast.net
> To: obra@list.obra.org; wsba@wsba.wsbaracing.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:02:02 +0000
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cat 4 Ladies @ WILLAMETTE
>
> Dear Cat 4 Ladies:
> WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?!??????
> All of the other fields are growing daily, and the one group that requested a race is not showing up.
> We need at least 15 riders to make it happen.
> Send us an email if you have not registered yet but are planning to come.
>
> Sal Collura
> WILLAMETTE
> salcollura@hotmail.com
>
>
>
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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:34:02 +0000
From: jboquiren@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] blocked sprints, etc.
To: "Don Hanson" ,
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Try some tactics some people use in shorttrack speedskating. Don your Kevlar skinsuits first though :)
Joseph Boquiren
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From: "Don Hanson"
> I wasn't there at Piece of Cake but I heard about it from another older
> master's racer who was there, racing in the 4-5s. Maybe there could be a
> few more events with separate classes for us old racers. I only recall one
> last year, the State RR, where there was a separate start for us. Start us
> a minute behind another class and leave out the wheel cars, if you must.
> That would cut down on the congestion during the sprints.
> I was in a race with a bunch from Team Zoka last season. They were 4 wide
> and very vocal. They were spending more time looking over their shoulders
> than watching ahead. With about a mile to go, they had the pace held at
> about 20mph. Was it worth risking an attempt to bust through their
> blockade? With about 40 other riders, those held in the rear, depending on
> the 'contact riding skills' of whichever rider was 'rammed, slammed,
> elbowed, kicked, pushed, whaterver'...in order to get past their rolling
> road block?--that kinda makes the racing a bit 'sketchy'. Not worth taking
> out the whole pack with a big crash. Tactics like NASCAR or that old
> Roller Derby. TV sport?.. A slug-fest on bikes?..hmmm..
> Don Hanson
>
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Message: 34
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:48:39 -0700
From: "Melissa Boyd"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cat 4 Ladies @ WILLAMETTE
To: "Karleta Reierson"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org, wsba@wsba.wsbaracing.com
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OK, so some of the cat-4 ladies were a bit punchy (literally!). Wish I had a
video of the slapping and the cussing.
Other than that, I had a really good time!
Melissa
On 4/1/08, Karleta Reierson wrote:
>
>
> We are probably still all stunned and recovering from all the badgering we
> got from the Washington "Group Health" at the Piece of Cake! Not a very
> nice group of gals at all! I just have to say Wow! We have heard from the
> men whining now for the last few days, and nothing from the women about the
> last sundays race. Now we all know men are more emotional than
> women. Great job to all the Oregon women out there racing last Sunday Cat.
> 4 group! That was crazy!
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: comotionclassic@comcast.net
> > To: obra@list.obra.org; wsba@wsba.wsbaracing.com
> > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:02:02 +0000
> > Subject