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Pam Kerr

2008-04-29

How do I submit something to sell?

Thanks,

Pam

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Today's Topics:

1. DRVTT (Dan Davis)
2. WTB: Eggbeater SL pedals (Brian Johnson)
3. FS: Shimano cranks (jesse lopez)
4. Track stuff (Mike Murray)
5. Re: Track stuff (Candi Murray)
6. Re: Track stuff (Mike Murray)
7. Re: Track stuff (Bike Central)
8. Re: FS: Cyclocross tubular wheels w/ tires (SOLD) / Ultegra
10 spd shifters (NOT SOLD) (Devin Flynn)
9. Track Lockers (Candi Murray)
10. Tuesday PIR (Cobra Kai)
11. Jr men at BETT (Geri Bossen)
12. Tuesday PIR retraction (Cobra Kai)
13. Exercise Physiology (VO2, Lactate) & Respiratory Training
Workshop: May 3rd (Russell @ Herriott Sports)
14. FS (reduced): C'dale CAAD8 full Dura Ace FSA Ksyrium
(Tre Hendricks)
15. wtb: full suspension mtb for woman 5'8" (Timmy Evens)
16. FS: BONTRAGER RACE X LITE TUBULAR SHIMANO WHEEL SET[Price
reduced] (STEVEN R HOLLAND)
17. Garmin Elevation Discrepancies (Patrick wilder)
18. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (r r)
19. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Candi Murray)
20. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (david baker)
21. Re: Garmin Elevation Discrepancies (Mark J. Ginsberg)
22. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (tony kic)
23. FS: Specialized Roubaix Expert 2006 frameset 58cm
(Bryan Bihlmaier)
24. FS: Ritchey WCS Carbon Evolution bars 44cm (Bryan Bihlmaier)
25. FS: Specialized S-Works carbon bar 44cm (Bryan Bihlmaier)
26. FS: Rithcey Hammerhead carbon TT bars and extensions
(Bryan Bihlmaier)
27. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (T B)
28. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (T B)
29. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Mike Murray)
30. Paging Terry Knight (John F. Wilson)
31. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Tony McCray)
32. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Mark J. Ginsberg)
33. FS: Zipp 303 Tubular Wheelset Shimano (anklebiter456)
34. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Karsten Hagen)
35. Paging Andrew Platt (will cortez)
36. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Rick C Johnson)
37. Important Mt. Hood Cycling Classic Updates
(Mt. Hood Cycling Classic)
38. Update on Prizes/Merchandise for Eric Kautzky Memorial Track
Race (Darell C. Provencher)
39. Mt. Hood Cycling Classic Adds Kid's Race in Portland
(Mt. Hood Cycling Classic)
40. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Kevin Hedahl)
41. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Jeff Tedder & Shari)
42. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Jeff Henderson)
43. Re: Tuesday PIR retraction (Kristin)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:13:15 -0700
From: Dan Davis
Subject: [OBRA Chat] DRVTT
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Hey Terri and George thanks for another super weekend of time trial, you two
put on a super event!
thanx
Dan?

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:53 -0700
From: Brian Johnson
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: Eggbeater SL pedals
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Hey all,

I'm looking to buy a set of Eggbeater SLs. They can be ugly and
scratched and I don't mind having to rebuild --just so long as the
pedals themselves are not bent or tweaked.

Thanks!

* * *

My father asks "Do you live here or ride a bike?"

liveorridebikes.blogspot.com

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:07:32 -0700
From: jesse lopez
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Shimano cranks
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FS, Shimano compact crankset. 175's, no BB included. Brand new, not
take-offs. $ 170.00
360.425.8521 Jesse
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:46:22 -0700
From: "Mike Murray"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track stuff
To:
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Even though the weather still looks like winter the track season is about to
start at Alpenrose.

- Track painting - The weather cut short the painting of the velodrome on
the first track clean up day so we are going to give it a second try on
Saturday May 10. Hopefully it will be dry then. Chris King and company will
be there this time cooking pancake breakfast, assuming that the weather
forecast is not as miserable for the first day. We will start at 10:00 AM.

- This coming Thursday will be the first of the weekly Thursday evening
races. The first session will be Kilo night; everyone rides a 1 K TT for
time. The second session will be pursuit TTs. If there is rain then these
sessions will be pushed to the following weeks. For the TT nights we will
be starting 1/2 hour earlier at 6:00 PM to accommodate the usually larger
turn out and time consuming format. After we get done with the first 2
sessions all racing on Thursday will be mass start racing. The Thursday
schedule is at http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/thursdays.html.

- Fast Twitch Fridays start this week. See
http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/fast_twitch_fridays.html.

- Wednesday instructional classes for those who are new to the track are up
and running. See
http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/wednesdays.html.

- If there are no other scheduled events we are going to have Madison
instructional and practice sessions every Saturday 11:30 AM to 1:00 PM.
These are going to be informal practice sessions to introduce people to
Madison exchanges and other techniques in a non-competitive setting. There
will be no charge or entry fee. Rental bikes will be available for $5 if
there is someone to check them out. I will need some help with running
these so if you are available let me know.

Mike Murray

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:51:27 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Track stuff
To:
Message-ID: <003501c8a971$a11fe600$9701a8c0@8A287A4ADEF0487>
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Just one little item for Kilo night. Women and Masters 50+ only ride a 500m
TT

Candi Murray
Assistant Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Murray
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:46 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track stuff

Even though the weather still looks like winter the track season is about to
start at Alpenrose.

- Fast Twitch Fridays start this week. See
http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/fast_twitch_fridays.html.

- Wednesday instructional classes for those who are new to the track are up
and running. See http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/wednesdays.html.

Mike Murray

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:51:55 -0700
From: "Mike Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Track stuff
To:
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I forgot to mention the Eric K race this Saturday. It will be going on even
though the track will not yet be painted.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.murray@obra.org]
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 13:46 PM
To: 'obra@list.obra.org'
Subject: Track stuff

Even though the weather still looks like winter the track season is about to
start at Alpenrose.

- Fast Twitch Fridays start this week. See
http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/fast_twitch_fridays.html.

- Wednesday instructional classes for those who are new to the track are up
and running. See
http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/wednesdays.html.

Mike Murray

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:58:23 -0700
From: Bike Central
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Track stuff
To: mike.murray@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <48163A6F.4020309@bike-central.com>
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And the Fast Twitch Friday races this week will be 200m for everyone -
as many as you want until it gets dark or you puke :-)

We will start at 6.30p

Jen

Mike Murray wrote:
> I forgot to mention the Eric K race this Saturday. It will be going on
even
> though the track will not yet be painted.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.murray@obra.org]
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 13:46 PM
> To: 'obra@list.obra.org'
> Subject: Track stuff
>
>
> Even though the weather still looks like winter the track season is about
to
> start at Alpenrose.
>
> - Track painting - The weather cut short the painting of the velodrome on
> the first track clean up day so we are going to give it a second try on
> Saturday May 10. Hopefully it will be dry then. Chris King and company
will
> be there this time cooking pancake breakfast, assuming that the weather
> forecast is not as miserable for the first day. We will start at 10:00
AM.
>
> - This coming Thursday will be the first of the weekly Thursday evening
> races. The first session will be Kilo night; everyone rides a 1 K TT for
> time. The second session will be pursuit TTs. If there is rain then
these
> sessions will be pushed to the following weeks. For the TT nights we will
> be starting 1/2 hour earlier at 6:00 PM to accommodate the usually larger
> turn out and time consuming format. After we get done with the first 2
> sessions all racing on Thursday will be mass start racing. The Thursday
> schedule is at http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/thursdays.html.
>
> - Fast Twitch Fridays start this week. See
> http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/fast_twitch_fridays.html.
>
> - Wednesday instructional classes for those who are new to the track are
up
> and running. See
> http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/wednesdays.html.
>
> - If there are no other scheduled events we are going to have Madison
> instructional and practice sessions every Saturday 11:30 AM to 1:00 PM.
> These are going to be informal practice sessions to introduce people to
> Madison exchanges and other techniques in a non-competitive setting.
There
> will be no charge or entry fee. Rental bikes will be available for $5 if
> there is someone to check them out. I will need some help with running
> these so if you are available let me know.
>
>
> Mike Murray
>
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>

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Devin Flynn
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: Cyclocross tubular wheels w/ tires (SOLD)
/ Ultegra 10 spd shifters (NOT SOLD)
To: OBRA list
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Wheels SOLD

Devin Flynn wrote: Velocity road hubs 130mm rear
spacing--will work with 8, 9 or 10 speed cassettes. Velocity Escape Rims.
DT Revolution Spokes. Tufo Elite LPS tires 700x 32 already on the wheelset.
Ridden 3 times. Weight without the tires--1350 grams. Super light, tubular
wheelset. $275

Shimano Ultegra 10 speed 6600 shifters. Used 3 months on my least used
bike. So they were probably ridden 200 miles tops. $175

Devin Flynn
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:29:03 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track Lockers
To:
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If you have not paid for your locker yet, please remove everything that
might be stored in it as we will be releasing all the unpaid ones on
Thursday evening this week.

Candi

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:35:17 -0700
From: Cobra Kai
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Cobra Kai is extremely disappointed that Tuesday night PIR race for 4/5 is
only 8 miles. What kind of race is that? Even if Cobra Kai brings 3 cans of
food, it still works out to $1.50 per mile. Cobra Kai wants better mileage
at PIR!!!!

SWEEP THE LEGS JOHNNY!

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:44:41 +0000
From: Geri Bossen
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Jr men at BETT
To:
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Sorry I left you guys off

JUNIOR MEN 15-18
1 2113 Bowden Zach Specialized River City Bicycles
0:56:51
2 2700 Ashenberner Robert 1:01:32
DNS 927 Hormann Ethan ZTeam DNS

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:51:51 -0700
From: Cobra Kai
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Cobra Kai would like to retract comments. Flyer was read while practicing
self-asphyxiation with Miyagi's brown belt and he did not realize that 4's
can race with 3's. Since Cobra Kai will now be paying less that $1 per mile,
he may attend. Cobra Kai apologizes to owners of PIR but still feels sorry
for Cat V.

NO SENSEI!!

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:31:49 -0700
From: "Russell @ Herriott Sports"

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Exercise Physiology (VO2, Lactate) & Respiratory
Training Workshop: May 3rd
To: "Undisclosed recipients"
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Exercise Physiology & Respiratory Training Workshop: Saturday, May
3rd

*Herriott Sports Performance* in Seattle is proud to host Juerge Feldman of
*FaCT Canada* for a workshop covering the latest principles of exercise
physiology. Juerg is a Swiss exercise Physiologist who has coached Olympians
and World Champions in running, cycling, triathlon, and Nordic Skiing.
Juerge now lives in British Columbia and is the head of Science and
technical support for FaCT Canada. Juerge is a vast resource for practical
exercise physiology testing. If you are an athlete or coach using
physiological data to create your training program, this is a rare
oppurtunity to improve your knowledge! All skill levels and backgrounds are
welcome to attend. The workshop will include presentation and discussion on
the following:

? Principles of FaCT: Lactate Balance Point
? Aerobic/Anaerobic Model
? Respiratory Muscle Training
? VO2 Testing

*Date:* Saturday, May 3rd, 2008
*Time:* 2:00-5:00
*Location:* Herriott Sports Performance, Seattle
*Cost:* FREE!
*Registration:* Visit the "class calendar" link to register.

--
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Herriott Sports Performance, LLC

www.herriottsportsperformance.com

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:59:44 -0700
From: Tre Hendricks
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS (reduced): C'dale CAAD8 full Dura Ace FSA
Ksyrium
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Here it is one more time before it goes to Ebay (and just in time for
economic stimulus checks). Offering at $1475!

For sale is my 1600 miles new Cannondale CAAD8 purchased out of the box
early last summer:

Frame: Cannondale CAAD8, 58cm (57.5cm horizontal tt)
Fork: Cannondale Premium full carbon
Shifters: Dura Ace 10sp
Derailleurs: Dura Ace 10sp
Brakes: Dura Ace
Chain: Dura Ace 10sp
Crankset: FSA SL-K carbon with FSA MegaExo BB (780g)
Bar: FSA K-Wing carbon 44cm UPGRADE
Stem: Cannondale C4, 100mm (130g) UPGRADE
Post: Cannondale Wing Carbon, 27.2 (205g) UPGRADE
Saddle: Fizik Airione (225g) NEW
Wheels: Mavic Ksyrium SSC SL, Black w/machined rims

Wheels are slightly older (I think 2004) but well-maintained, including new
bearings this spring ? I also just replaced a slightly tweaked spoke. They
are true, round, and evenly tensioned.

The bike is in better than excellent condition. Drive train shows very
little wear (I clean and lube almost every ride) and there are only 2 very
minor blemishes on the otherwise shiny frame/fork and some minor dulling on
the glossy finish of the cranks. Pedals and cages not included. Priced at
$1475!

E-mail to hendricks@gorge.net or call (541)400-8421 for pictures or more
information. Thanks! Tre

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:23:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Timmy Evens
Subject: [OBRA Chat] wtb: full suspension mtb for woman 5'8"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <19095.9197.qm@web50007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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a friend of mine is hoping to pick up a mountain bike
in the price range of 7-1500$ please email me anything
that works. she is an intermediate rider and would
love to give your bike a home if you aren't using it.

thanks,
tim

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:08:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: STEVEN R HOLLAND
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: BONTRAGER RACE X LITE TUBULAR SHIMANO WHEEL
SET[Price reduced]
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:40:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patrick wilder
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Garmin Elevation Discrepancies
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Lately I've noticed considerable discrepancies in total elevation data
lately. Anyone else having this problem? Solutions? I've added all the
updates from the Garmin website. I'm using an Edge 305.

For a particular route I did I get the following numbers:

When I download to Motionbased it lists my total Elevation gain as: 8200'
When I use the Garmin Training Center software: 7182'
When I convert the way points to Topo Software: 5696'

As you can see that's a HUGE variance.
What gives?

~Patrick

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:03:06 -0700
From: r r
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
To: Cobra Kai ,
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I am going to take this email as an opportunity this jedi has been pondering
over about PIR as well....Why 15 bucks a shot every Tuesday? That seems a
little steep for a weekly event. Unless PIR wants some ungodly amount to use
the venue, 15 almost seems like a drastically over priced for what it is.
Yes, i know you can buy a season pass, but some of us are not in Portland
for the entire PIR season, but want to do more than one PIR a month. At
least the Eugene weekly series is 10, But by far the best deal is 5 bucks to
race on the track. Now thats a steal. And there are officials and everything
there just like PIR, the only possible difference is that PIR wants money
for us being there. But as far as i see it, there is no reason a weekly
series race should cost almost as much as other events that are only held
once a year.

Just some of my thoughts and others that i have gathered over time.

> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:51:51 -0700
> From: cobrakai43@gmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
>
> Cobra Kai would like to retract comments. Flyer was read while practicing
self-asphyxiation with Miyagi's brown belt and he did not realize that 4's
can race with 3's. Since Cobra Kai will now be paying less that $1 per mile,
he may attend. Cobra Kai apologizes to owners of PIR but still feels sorry
for Cat V.
>
> NO SENSEI!!
>
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:27:49 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
To: "'r r'" , "'Cobra Kai'"
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Part of the problem is the expense.
The PIR track costs almost $300 a night to rent. The truck rental is $50,
the first aid person and the officials all get paid. So I would imagine
that the cost for a PIR is $550 before the first rider shows up. It costs
$2.25 per person for the liability insurance and surcharges.

There is no charge to use Alpenrose. We do not use the truck and the race
organizer is a first aid provider, so the costs are much less then PIR. It
is only $5 entry fee for juniors, adults pay $10.00.

Do the math. If the race organizer doe snot make a profit there will be no
events for you to race.

Candi

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Behalf Of r r
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:03 PM
To: Cobra Kai; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction

Just some of my thoughts and others that i have gathered over time.

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:01:36 -0700
From: "david baker"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
To: "r r" , "Cobra Kai" ,

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Yeah,
and Safeway should have better bread!
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From: r r
To: Cobra Kai ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction

I am going to take this email as an opportunity this jedi has been
pondering over about PIR as well....Why 15 bucks a shot every Tuesday? That
seems a little steep for a weekly event. Unless PIR wants some ungodly
amount to use the venue, 15 almost seems like a drastically over priced for
what it is. Yes, i know you can buy a season pass, but some of us are not
in Portland for the entire PIR season, but want to do more than one PIR a
month. At least the Eugene weekly series is 10, But by far the best deal is
5 bucks to race on the track. Now thats a steal. And there are officials and
everything there just like PIR, the only possible difference is that PIR
wants money for us being there. But as far as i see it, there is no reason a
weekly series race should cost almost as much as other events that are only
held once a year.

Just some of my thoughts and others that i have gathered over time.

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> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:51:51 -0700
> From: cobrakai43@gmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
>
> Cobra Kai would like to retract comments. Flyer was read while
practicing self-asphyxiation with Miyagi's brown belt and he did not realize
that 4's can race with 3's. Since Cobra Kai will now be paying less that $1
per mile, he may attend. Cobra Kai apologizes to owners of PIR but still
feels sorry for Cat V.
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> NO SENSEI!!
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:24:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Garmin Elevation Discrepancies
To: Patrick wilder , obra@list.obra.org
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what gives? too much computer!

Ginsberg

Patrick wilder wrote: Lately I've noticed
considerable discrepancies in total elevation data lately. Anyone else
having this problem? Solutions? I've added all the updates from the Garmin
website. I'm using an Edge 305.

For a particular route I did I get the following numbers:

When I download to Motionbased it lists my total Elevation gain as: 8200'
When I use the Garmin Training Center software: 7182'
When I convert the way points to Topo Software: 5696'

As you can see that's a HUGE variance.
What gives?

~Patrick

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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:32:20 -0700
From: tony kic
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
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i did the math for the tuesday races so far this year, and i'll just say
that running it seems like a pretty sweet deal.

From: cmurray@obra.org
To: bikexcr@hotmail.com; cobrakai43@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:27:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction

Part of the problem is the expense.
The PIR track costs almost $300 a night to rent. The truck
rental is $50, the first aid person and the officials all get paid. So I
would imagine that the cost for a PIR is $550 before the first rider shows
up. It costs $2.25 per person for the liability insurance and
surcharges.

There is no charge to use Alpenrose. We do not use the truck and
the race organizer is a first aid provider, so the costs are much less then
PIR.
It is only $5 entry fee for juniors, adults pay $10.00.

Do the math. If the race organizer doe snot make a profit there
will be no events for you to race.

Candi

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of r r
Sent:
Monday, April 28, 2008 9:03 PM
To: Cobra Kai;
obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR
retraction

ungodly amount to use the venue, 15 almost seems like a drastically over
priced
for what it is. Yes, i know you can buy a season pass, but some of us are
not in Portland for the entire PIR season, but want to do more than one PIR
a
month. At least the Eugene weekly series is 10, But by far the best deal is
5
bucks to race on the track. Now thats a steal. And there are officials and
everything there just like PIR, the only possible difference is that PIR
wants
money for us being there. But as far as i see it, there is no reason a
weekly
series race should cost almost as much as other events that are only held
once a
year.

Just some of my thoughts and others that i have gathered over
time.

> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:51:51 -0700
> From:
cobrakai43@gmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat]
Tuesday PIR retraction
>
> Cobra Kai would like to retract
comments. Flyer was read while practicing self-asphyxiation with Miyagi's
brown
belt and he did not realize that 4's can race with 3's. Since Cobra Kai will
now
be paying less that $1 per mile, he may attend. Cobra Kai apologizes to
owners
of PIR but still feels sorry for Cat V.
>
> NO SENSEI!!
>

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:36:52 -0700
From: Bryan Bihlmaier
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Specialized Roubaix Expert 2006 frameset 58cm
To: obra@list.obra.org
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The frameset is in excellent condition. It was my race bike, so I didn't
ride it in the winter. Only one mark on the frame where the front brake arm
hit it and chipped the paint. Frame was protected from cable rub. Photos
are available. Includes frame, fork, headset and carbon top cup, seatpost
clamp, bottle bolts. Asking $650.

Send e-mail to bryanb@airspd.net for photos or more info.

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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:40:31 -0700
From: Bryan Bihlmaier
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Ritchey WCS Carbon Evolution bars 44cm
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Excellent condition, like new. I only had these on my bike for a little
while - the drops are too short for me. 44cm c-c, 31.8mm clamp, 131mm drop,
84mm reach. Anatomic drop and ovalized top section are very comfortable.
Asking $200.

Send e-mail to bryanb@airspd.net for photos or more info.

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:46:53 -0700
From: Bryan Bihlmaier
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Specialized S-Works carbon bar 44cm
To: obra@list.obra.org
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The bar is in great condition. It just has some scuffs in the clear coat
where the stem and levers clamp. I always used a torque wrench when
installing or adjusting the bars. There is no damage. 44cm c-c, 31.8mm
clamp, 147mm drop, 79mm reach. Asking $100.

Send e-mail to bryanb@airspd.net for photos or more info.

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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:00:28 -0700
From: Bryan Bihlmaier
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Rithcey Hammerhead carbon TT bars and
extensions
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Excellent condition, only used once. Very light setup. Full carbon base
bar and carbon S-bend extensions with aluminum tips for mounting shifters.
Carbon armrests too! Includes extra set of armrest pads. 40cm c-c, 31.8mm
clamp. Asking $300.

Send e-mail to bryanb@airspd.net for photos or more info.

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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:56:47 -0700
From: T B
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
To: , 'Cobra Kai' ,

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Ok. I did the math. I just had to see for myself. AND WOW!!! This past PIR
was a low attendance. According to the numbers given and all, it was only a
profit of about 330 bucks. On nights such as the Tuesday prior, it seems to
be almost 1300 dollar profit for one race. That seems a ridiculous amount
for a weekly race to profit when single day races struggle to break even. A
weekly series should focus on being affordable. Yes, to most of yall, whats
15 bucks. But it makes people like me, broke and starving, ponder whether it
can be squeezed into an ever tight budget.

My math;

300 for PIR + 50 for the truck + Officials = Give estimate of 550 Dollars
550 + 2.25 (x) where X is number of riders (lets say 150) = 337.5
dollars for insurance
Total cost of event is 337.5 + 550 = 887.50 dollars (which i have to admit
is a pretty hefty bill to have on a weekly basis. its actually almost
outrageous and makes it a wonder it can occur)

So, taken there are 150 riders (which seems to be a fair average to estimate
if not a low average for the entire season).

150 x 15 = 2,250 gross

2,250 - 887.50 = 1,362.50 dollars net profit for ONE night. WOW!!! I
mean...WOW!!! Im in SHOCK! I need this job ASAP!!! (assuming i didn't make
an error in my math)

Am i making anyone's water boil yet :)

I just had to do the math just for s and g's and out of boredom

From: cmurray@obra.org
To: bikexcr@hotmail.com; cobrakai43@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:27:49 -0700

Part of the problem is the expense.
The PIR track costs almost $300 a night to rent. The truck
rental is $50, the first aid person and the officials all get paid. So I
would imagine that the cost for a PIR is $550 before the first rider shows
up. It costs $2.25 per person for the liability insurance and
surcharges.

There is no charge to use Alpenrose. We do not use the truck and
the race organizer is a first aid provider, so the costs are much less then
PIR.
It is only $5 entry fee for juniors, adults pay $10.00.

Do the math. If the race organizer doe snot make a profit there
will be no events for you to race.

Candi

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of r r
Sent:
Monday, April 28, 2008 9:03 PM
To: Cobra Kai;
obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR
retraction

Just some of my thoughts and others that i have gathered over
time.

> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:51:51 -0700
> From:
cobrakai43@gmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat]
Tuesday PIR retraction
>
> Cobra Kai would like to retract
comments. Flyer was read while practicing self-asphyxiation with Miyagi's
brown
belt and he did not realize that 4's can race with 3's. Since Cobra Kai will
now
be paying less that $1 per mile, he may attend. Cobra Kai apologizes to
owners
of PIR but still feels sorry for Cat V.
>
> NO SENSEI!!
>

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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:04:17 -0700
From: T B
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
To: , 'Cobra Kai' ,

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Further math

Multiple that by 20 PIRs in a season...thats 27,250 dollars net profit for
the entire PIR series. Maybe we should start having cash purses at these or
something. I mean, shoot, i work 40 hrs a week, and have a bachelors degree,
and only make 22,000. Dang. I chose the wrong profession.

From: bikexcr@hotmail.com
To: cmurray@obra.org; cobrakai43@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:56:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction