Haverty, Chris

To be honest, I don't know Jay. I was just looking at the OBRA results listing that was linked in the original email, and based on those results only he isn't necessarily sandbagging.

Chris Alling wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Chris

If this Jay is the one that I think that it is he raced quite a bit back in the 90s and if I recal was a CAT 3 at that time. He has just returned to racing. So lets be a little bit truthful about his experience. I will give you that it takes a bit of time to shake out the cobwebs and to check your fitness. I would think that he would be getting a bit tired of smacking about the CAT 5s.

Chris Alling

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:50:16 -0700
From: chaverty@yahoo.com
To: gonesh9@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] hilarious sandbagging

This isn't sandbagging. He's only been racing for a few months. And if you count the first 10 mass starts as a 5, then start counting upgrade points as a 4 he doesn't have enough to cat up to 3. If he is still winning Cat4/5 races a few months from now, then call him out. Until then, quit your whining and do your best to beat him.

casey wrote: We've all seen examples of notorious sandbaggers out there, but this guy really makes me laugh:

http://app.obra.org/results/racer/16873

Way to go dude!!!
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> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:07:38 -0700> From: joec@aracnet.com> To: calling64@msn.com> CC: chaverty@yahoo.com; gonesh9@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] hilarious sandbagging> > Criminy people...> > Is all the rain really starting to get to everyone? Between childish postings and public callouts of a person's ranking, we are all beginning to sound like a poorly written episode of "The Soprano's".> > Joe> > Chris Alling wrote:> > > Chris> > =20> > If this Jay is the one that I think that it is he raced quite a bit back in=> > the 90s and if I recal was a CAT 3 at that time. He has just returned to r=> > acing. So lets be a little bit truthful about his experience. I will give y=> > ou that it takes a bit of time to shake out the cobwebs and to check your f=> > itness. I would think that he would be getting a bit tired of smacking abou=> > t the CAT 5s.> > =20> > Chris Alling> > > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:50:16 -0700From: chaverty@yahoo.comTo: gonesh9@gm=> > ail.com; obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] hilarious sandbaggingTh=> > is isn't sandbagging. He's only been racing for a few months. And if you => > count the first 10 mass starts as a 5, then start counting upgrade points a=> > s a 4 he doesn't have enough to cat up to 3. If he is still winning Cat4/5=> > races a few months from now, then call him out. Until then, quit your whi=> > ning and do your best to beat him.casey wrote:=20> > We've all seen examples of notorious sandbaggers out there, but this guy re=> > ally makes me laugh:http://app.obra.org/results/racer/16873Way to go dude!!=> > !_______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.=> > obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubsc=> > ribe@list.obra.org> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it n=> > ow.> > _________________________________________________________________> > Spell a grand slam in this game where word skill meets World Series. Get in=> > the game.> > http://club.live.com/word_slugger.aspx?icid=3Dword_slugger_wlhm_admod_april=> > 08=>
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On Apr 30, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Erik Voldengen wrote:

> Look at those multiple Ws at PIR in the 4/5 race. Geez, one is
> enough.
>
> I know this one guy who was (is) a cat 3, and he kept doing quite well
> at PIR in the 3/4 race. As I understand it, he was approached by an
> OBRA official and told he'd be upgraded on the spot if he ever raced
> in that group again. I'm sure this gentleman will be similarly dealt
> with. Sometimes people don't realize they need to move on up.
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Erik Voldengen

Look at those multiple Ws at PIR in the 4/5 race. Geez, one is enough.

I know this one guy who was (is) a cat 3, and he kept doing quite well
at PIR in the 3/4 race. As I understand it, he was approached by an
OBRA official and told he'd be upgraded on the spot if he ever raced
in that group again. I'm sure this gentleman will be similarly dealt
with. Sometimes people don't realize they need to move on up.

-Erik

Joe Cipale

Criminy people...

Is all the rain really starting to get to everyone? Between childish postings and public callouts of a person's ranking, we are all beginning to sound like a poorly written episode of "The Soprano's".

Joe

Chris Alling wrote:

> Chris
> =20
> If this Jay is the one that I think that it is he raced quite a bit back in=
> the 90s and if I recal was a CAT 3 at that time. He has just returned to r=
> acing. So lets be a little bit truthful about his experience. I will give y=
> ou that it takes a bit of time to shake out the cobwebs and to check your f=
> itness. I would think that he would be getting a bit tired of smacking abou=
> t the CAT 5s.
> =20
> Chris Alling
>
>
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:50:16 -0700From: chaverty@yahoo.comTo: gonesh9@gm=
> ail.com; obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] hilarious sandbaggingTh=
> is isn't sandbagging. He's only been racing for a few months. And if you =
> count the first 10 mass starts as a 5, then start counting upgrade points a=
> s a 4 he doesn't have enough to cat up to 3. If he is still winning Cat4/5=
> races a few months from now, then call him out. Until then, quit your whi=
> ning and do your best to beat him.casey wrote:=20
> We've all seen examples of notorious sandbaggers out there, but this guy re=
> ally makes me laugh:http://app.obra.org/results/racer/16873Way to go dude!!=
> !_______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.=
> obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubsc=
> ribe@list.obra.org
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>
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> ow.
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> 08=

Chris Alling

Chris

If this Jay is the one that I think that it is he raced quite a bit back in the 90s and if I recal was a CAT 3 at that time. He has just returned to racing. So lets be a little bit truthful about his experience. I will give you that it takes a bit of time to shake out the cobwebs and to check your fitness. I would think that he would be getting a bit tired of smacking about the CAT 5s.

Chris Alling

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:50:16 -0700From: chaverty@yahoo.comTo: gonesh9@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] hilarious sandbaggingThis isn't sandbagging. He's only been racing for a few months. And if you count the first 10 mass starts as a 5, then start counting upgrade points as a 4 he doesn't have enough to cat up to 3. If he is still winning Cat4/5 races a few months from now, then call him out. Until then, quit your whining and do your best to beat him.casey wrote:
We've all seen examples of notorious sandbaggers out there, but this guy really makes me laugh:http://app.obra.org/results/racer/16873Way to go dude!!!_______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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By the way...I think it's really rude to send that comment to the entire
list. Simply emailing the OBRA officials and maybe him directly, seems like
the way to go, rather then passive aggressively emailing everyone saying
"hey, isn't this funny" rather then what you REALLY mean which is "hey, this
isn't fair". I, for one, would feel embarrassed and upset if someone sent
out an email like that about me to the entire list.

Kristin

2008/4/30 Haverty, Chris :

> This isn't sandbagging. He's only been racing for a few months. And
> if you count the first 10 mass starts as a 5, then start counting upgrade
> points as a 4 he doesn't have enough to cat up to 3. If he is still winning
> Cat4/5 races a few months from now, then call him out. Until then, quit
> your whining and do your best to beat him.
>
> *casey * wrote:
>
> We've all seen examples of notorious sandbaggers out there, but this guy
> really makes me laugh:
>
> http://app.obra.org/results/racer/16873
>
> Way to go dude!!!
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Haverty, Chris

This isn't sandbagging. He's only been racing for a few months. And if you count the first 10 mass starts as a 5, then start counting upgrade points as a 4 he doesn't have enough to cat up to 3. If he is still winning Cat4/5 races a few months from now, then call him out. Until then, quit your whining and do your best to beat him.

casey wrote: We've all seen examples of notorious sandbaggers out there, but this guy really makes me laugh:

http://app.obra.org/results/racer/16873

Way to go dude!!!
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We've all seen examples of notorious sandbaggers out there, but this guy really makes me laugh:

http://app.obra.org/results/racer/16873

Way to go dude!!!