Kenji thanks for following up with the race promoter on the Eugene TT
results. I hope that there is not a family emergency or something going on
with Ken and or his family?
If not, I hope that race directors realize that some of us do Time Trials to
gauge our fitness and adjust our training plans. Getting the results a week
later is on the lower end of useful.
On the other hand, I offer to help if you need help getting a Macro going in
excel to help process the data.
Pete Eschbach
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Today's Topics:
1. On-Line Registration Closing For ChainBreaker MTB Race In
Bend (Henry Abel)
2. Re: Are the Eugene TT results out there anywhere???
(T. Kenji Sugahara)
3. Fast Twitch Friday Schedule for 5.9.08 (Bike Central)
4. Albany Criterium Master's Field Change (Robert Hughes)
5. FW: [FWD: TTN and CycleOne TEAM UP WORKSHOP] (J.Michael Manning)
6. FYI - 2008 Gorge Games mtb events on! (will)
7. paging Clint Morey (Julie Browning)
8. Results-Alpenrose Very Cold Pursuits (Candi Murray)
9. Re: FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett Jarolimek Memorial
(Craig Rutter)
10. Re: FYI - 2008 Gorge Games mtb events on! (T. Kenji Sugahara)
11. FS: Junior Road Bike (Georgann Shinn)
12. Re: FYI - 2008 Gorge Games mtb events on! (Raggy23)
13. FS: 56cm SPECIALIZED ALLEZ COMP $1100 (Sesh)
14. RiverCity MTB Series overall updated... (Ben Thompson)
15. looking 4 ride to Chainbreaker from PDX (Kevin)
16. More info (Was: Goodies looking for a home) (joe cipale)
17. The revolution will not be motorized. (David Lord)
18. Re: Alpenrose painting Saturday? (Mike Murray)
19. Re: FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett Jarolimek Memorial
(Darell C. Provencher)
20. Re: Alpenrose painting Saturday? (Darell C. Provencher)
21. Re: Alpenrose painting Saturday? (Mike Murray)
22. Re: FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett JarolimekMemorial
(Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
23. Giro Viewing (Evan Plews)
24. Re: Giro Viewing (david baker)
25. Re: Giro viewing (Barry O'Connor)
26. Re: FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett Jarolimek Memorial
(Yann Blindert)
27. Re: looking 4 ride to Chainbreaker from PDX (Sami Fournier)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:07:30 -0700
From: Henry Abel
Subject: [OBRA Chat] On-Line Registration Closing For ChainBreaker MTB
Race In Bend
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <4824a0f25a793_3525156504459fec188b@lizard.tmail>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Lots and lots of last minute on-line registrations are still coming in for
the ChainBreaker. We will be accepting your on-line entry up until 2PM
today.
After 2PM today you can still register, but will need to do it in person
either here at the shop, or at the race course on the morning of the race.
Let us know if you have questions...
Thanks!
Henry
WebCyclery.com
541-318-6188
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:11:39 -0700
From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Are the Eugene TT results out there
anywhere???
To: Michael Rebar
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <38A65EEA-B4F2-4644-AFDC-DADB193840B2@obra.org>
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I just got off the phone with Len. He's working on them.
Also... from Len:
"Please allow up to a week for results to be released."
T. Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
503-302-4935
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:54:11 -0700
From: Bike Central
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fast Twitch Friday Schedule for 5.9.08
To: "obra@list.obra.org" ,
"obrarace@list.obra.org"
Message-ID: <4824ABE3.7020405@bike-central.com>
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Racing starts at 6.30pm, $10 race entry
See you there!
Novice Women Alpenrose Mile
Sprinters Sprint Round
Novice Men Unknown Distance
Sprinters Sprint Round
Novice Women 10 Lap Tempo
Sprinters Sprint Round
Novice Men 10 Lap Point-a-Lap
Sprinters Sprint Round
Novice Women Unknown Distance
Sprinters Sprint Round
Novice Men Alpenrose Mile
Sprinters Sprint Round
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:01:29 -0700
From: Robert Hughes
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Albany Criterium Master's Field Change
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <4824ad99e376e_be6156280d1557c796@lizard.tmail>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
As a consequence of racer feedback the Men's Masters 35+ (III, IV,V) is now:
Men's Masters 40-49; 50+ with each age group scored seperately and with no
restriction on racing category. Prime laps have only one winner. The
streets are more than wide enough, and the finishing straight long enough
for a huge, safe sprint.
Also the Men's Pro/I/II and Women's Pro/I/II/III fields each just received
an additional $200 dollars prize money courtesy of Central Willamette Credit
Union, so with a field of 40 riders the total cash payout will be at least
$500.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:07:42 -0700
From: J.Michael Manning
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: [FWD: TTN and CycleOne TEAM UP WORKSHOP]
To: "obra@list.obra.org"
Message-ID:
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Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:02:37 -0700
From: jmichael@cycleone.net
Subject: [FWD: TTN and CycleOne TEAM UP WORKSHOP]
To: cycleone23@hotmail.com
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Subject: TTN and CycleOne TEAM UP WORKSHOP
From: "J.CARLOS VALDES"
Date: Thu, May 08, 2008 9:45 pm
To: jmichael@cycleone.net
Therapeutic Trainers Network- Educational Series
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:48:57 -0700
From: will
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FYI - 2008 Gorge Games mtb events on!
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <4824c6c9e6f7f_7bf91576768f4e202c@lizard.tmail>
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FYI-
The Gorge Games has mtb events in the following disciplines scheduled on
July 18-20 this summer:
>Super D
>DH/FR
>Short Track
The OBRA schedule currently has it marked as cancelled but go to
www.GorgeGames.net for more info.
Enjoy the sun!
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:58:53 -0700
From: "Julie Browning"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] paging Clint Morey
To:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Anyone have a current email for Clint?
Thanks,
-Julie
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:32:18 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Results-Alpenrose Very Cold Pursuits
To: ,
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Place Name Team Time
Jr Men
1 Morey, Camden Zteam 3:43.04
Jr Women
1 Graham, Fiona Beaverton Bicycle Clug 3:23.01
Master 50+
1 Provencher, Darrell Team Rose City 2:46.13
2 Schreck, George Finnegan's Toys/Discover Chiropractic 2:48.06
3 Mautner, Paul Team Rose City 2:55.38
4 Forbes, John Fred Meyer 3:01.45
5 Meinhardt, Gary 3:07.95
Mst Women
1 Mautner, Meg Bike Central 3:24.09
dns Windus, Debra
dns Curl, Darien
Cat 3
1 Brown, Jay Portland Velo 4:20.28
2 Spear, Nathan Half Fast Velo 4:21.78
3 Standish, Jeff Therapeutic Associates 4:27.55
4 Warner, Charlie Veloce/Felt 4:29.22
Cat 4
1 Culpepper, Clint Team Beer 4:33.95
2 Kanz, Paul Finnegan's Toys/Discover Chiropractic 4:43.17
3 Kentner, Jason Beaverton Bicycle Club 4:45.47
4 Boquiren, Joe Portland Velo 4:48.16
5 List, Brian Pacific Power 4:52.70
Cat 5
1 Cowperthwaite, David Team Oregon/Sunset Cycles 4:20.05
2 Kim, John Beaverton Bicycle Club 4:21.99
3 Cummings, Jacob 4:26.36
4 Butler, Tim River City Bicycles 4:27.00
5 Mensher, Daniel Gentle Lovers 4:27.23
6 LaVigne, Justin Team Oregon/Sunset Cycles 4:27.53
7 Watson, Dan Gentle Lovers 4:27.99
8 Schwaeber, Steve Veloce/Felt 4:35.60
9 Taylor, Sam Finnegan's Toys/Discover Chiropractic 4:40.85
10 Howe, John Team Beer 4:44.63
dns Wyant, Drew
Mst
1 Huff, Robert Half Fast Velo 4:27.51
2 Hartigan, Patrick Finnegan's Toys/Discover Chiropractic
4:27.95
3 Alling, Chris Fred Meyer 4:42.62
Sr Men
1 Hosmer, Seth CMG 3:53.23
2 Bjesse, Per Bike Central 3:54.04
3 Beardsley, Stephen Gentle Lovers 4:00.86
4 Drake, Peter Fred Meyer 4:02.60
5 Suditu, Richard Beaverton Bicycle Club 4:10.78
6 Lingwood, Jimmy 4:13.83
7 Hemenway, Daryl Guinness Cycling 4:21.81
8 Dumortier, Jerome Beaverton Bicycle Club 4:30.51
Sr Women
1 Moon, Miranda Veloforms 4:22.32
2 Fisk, Andrea Velo Bella 4:33.23
3 Dilles, Anita Portland State University 4:44.92
4 Hook, Camille Bike Central 4:46.40
5 Bihlmaier, Jeannie Specialized/River City Bicycles 4:47.74
6 Charoneau, Emily Therapeutic Associates 5:02.78
7 Bjesse-Puffin, Amelia Bike Central 5:09.84
Women Cat 4
1 McCarthy, Kristin 5:10.73
2 Murphy, Marca Therapeutic Associates 5:15.82
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 16:00:12 -0700
From: Craig Rutter
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett Jarolimek
Memorial
To: obra@list.obra.org
Cc: mark@veloforma.com, Corey Stayton
Message-ID: <4824D77C.7020800@gmail.com>
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Hello,
I sincerely apologize for any ill feelings or disrespect I may have
caused, it certainly was not my intention. With that being said I would
like to address a couple of things since there seems to be a lot of
assumptions(mostly on my part)about the frameset I recently became owner of.
1) I could not attend the event/fund raiser held May 1st.
2) I purchased my raffle tickets online via PayPal.
When I was notified I had won the Veloforma frameset I assumed it was
just a "regular" frameset and not something special for the event. Even
when I received emails from James Lingwood and Mark Duff they didn't
mention anything about the "special" frame. Mark had even said I won
the F1R and needed to pick a size for myself or a friend, it was mine to
do whatever I wanted. So they assumed I known what I had won.
I, again, assumed since this was a race frame and I am not a racer, I
should sell it and use the proceeds to purchase a bike to my riding
style, a nice touring bike. So that was where the OBRA post originated
from, I figured someone on this list would be interested. I set the
price at 2400 since the msrp was 2500 but also said I would take
reasonable offers. Sure I would have taken less but wanted to start
high. I would not pick a size and let the purchaser pick one, that gave
me a larger customer base, if you will.
I did feel awkward for putting something up for sale that I had won and
even send Mark and email stating so, but hey, if someone really wanted
the frame they should have it more than I. So last night I emailed
Mark(again) stating I had changed my mind and I would take the Large,
just let me know when I could pick it up.
Then later that night I see the email from Mr. Provencher...wow...talk
about a blow to the gut. I had no idea about the "special" frame.
Ignorance...it is such bad form, that is the part I feel sick about.
To be labeled as a person trying to receive a "significant gain" and
"lining my pockets" really did not help and were just as bad as the
assumptions I had made.
So that's my story.
Hopefully it helped explain my actions and we all know they needed
explaining.
Again, I am sorry.
Craig Rutter
mark@veloforma.com wrote:
> Hello All,
> I just got in to the office to check emails.
>
> Craig sent me an email this morning stating that he would like to KEEP
> the bike, and has ordered a large F1R. I think his initial concern
> was/is he is tall and weighs in at 220 and not a racer, that will not
> be a problem. The bike can handle it. So the frame issue is taken care
> of...
>
> Cory you are correct. This is about Brett, his family and his fund.
> How his life came to a tragic end. The frame is a extremely small way
> to memorialize Brett and his life. What's important is about how
> someone lost there life doing what they truly loved. About keeping his
> memory alive. It's about doing what we can as a group to help Portland
> cycling/cyclists thrive. We don't take material things with us when we
> pass, material goods do us no good once we leave this life, it's about
> what we do when we are alive that makes all the difference.
>
> So lets keep on trying to make a difference in life any way we can...
> Have a great day everyone and remember how precious life truly is.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Mark Duff - President
> Veloforma, Inc.
> WHQ 41991 NW Woollen Rd/ Banks, OR 97106
> mail PO Box 185/ Banks, OR 97106
> tel 971.255.9375 cell 503.789.6735
> fax 503.625.0768
> www.veloforma.com
> www.veloforma.blogspot.com
>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:18:47 -0700
From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FYI - 2008 Gorge Games mtb events on!
To: will
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <7860BD54-1516-4B18-9ABD-E16C746E0EB0@obra.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Correct.
We are currently waiting to hear from the new promoters. It was
cancelled a while back but now it is back on.
T. Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
503-302-4935
On May 9, 2008, at 2:48 PM, will wrote:
> FYI-
>
> The Gorge Games has mtb events in the following disciplines
> scheduled on July 18-20 this summer:
>> Super D
>> DH/FR
>> Short Track
>
> The OBRA schedule currently has it marked as cancelled but go to
www.GorgeGames.net
> for more info.
>
> Enjoy the sun!
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:51:12 -0700
From: Georgann Shinn
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Junior Road Bike
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <4824e3706840f_be6156281e6453096c@lizard.tmail>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Raceworthy XS Cannondale road bike for sale. Brand new Ultegra components.
650c wheels. Suitable for appx 9-12 year olds, or small adult.
$675 Email for pics or more info
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:47:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Raggy23
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FYI - 2008 Gorge Games mtb events on!
To: will
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
Message-ID: <263766.93500.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Nice of them to check the schedule willamette pass has a super d and dh that
same weekend
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2008, at 2:48 PM, will wrote:
FYI-
The Gorge Games has mtb events in the following disciplines scheduled on
July 18-20 this summer:
Super D
DH/FR
Short Track
The OBRA schedule currently has it marked as cancelled but go to
www.GorgeGames.net for more info.
Enjoy the sun!
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:04:12 -0700
From: Sesh
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: 56cm SPECIALIZED ALLEZ COMP $1100
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <4824f48cc9a0d_57fa15bbf79939281c7@lizard.tmail>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hello,
I have a completely stock 2006 Allez Comp in a 56 cm frame for sale. This
bike has been meticulously cared for and barely has a scratch on it. I am
looking at some other bikes and just need to liquidate this one. I'll take
$1100 firm. 541-207-2026
Sesh
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:12:17 -0700
From: Ben Thompson
Subject: [OBRA Chat] RiverCity MTB Series overall updated...
To: "obra@list.obra.org" ,
"obrarace@list.obra.org"
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Check out the latest and greatest individual and team ranking updates.
Pistis MTB team did a great job down at Spring Thaw for the most points this
week in the overall race. Check it out here...
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:29:59 -0700
From: Kevin
Subject: [OBRA Chat] looking 4 ride to Chainbreaker from PDX
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <4824fa9760694_57fa15bbf7bbcda82e4@lizard.tmail>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hi y'all,
I'm looking for a round trip ride from Portland to the chainbreaker (this
weekend). Can split fuel costs. Give me a call if you've got room.
--Kevin
503.901.7853
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:30:34 -0700
From: joe cipale
Subject: [OBRA Chat] More info (Was: Goodies looking for a home)
To: OBRA
Message-ID: <1210386634.23723.17.camel@humboldt>
Content-Type: text/plain
For those of you looking for more info about my previous post:
1 - Shimano 600 Hollowtech (Ultegra): This is crank arms only with
Octalink Sealed Cartridge Bottom bracket.
2 - 56 tooth Shimano (130 BCD) Chain Ring
3 - 48 tooth Sugino chain ring
4 - 7-spd (12-21) Regina Extra freewheel (perfect for that retro bike
you are meaning to restore). Still lots of miles left...
5 - Two(2) 8-spd (12-23) Ultegra Hyperglide cassettes.
6 - One paair of Shimano 600 (Ultegra) brake calipers
7 - One pair of Look Carbon Pro pedals
8 - One set of Ultegra 8-spd bar-end shifters w/cable stops and cable
guide.
As before, OBRA gets first shot. Reasonable offers accepted before they
go elsewhere.
Joe Cipale
360-931-3143
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 19:42:36 -0700
From: David Lord
Subject: [OBRA Chat] The revolution will not be motorized.
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <48250b9c2b4a5_be6156281defd70107a@lizard.tmail>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
From: Joe Kurmaskie
Date: May 9, 2008 1:44:17 PM PDT
To: Joe Kurmaskie
Subject: onemllionbicycles.org kick off video - save this date, join the
revolution now!
Hi gang - Our kick off video for the national campaign is on youtube and
bikeportland.org, and we are doing major upgrades to the website this
weekend - Check out the video, make comments, ratings and spread it far and
wide. Next week, I'll put in real hours on press releases, dotting i's etc.
Kick ass/funny psa is also in the works... stay tuned. Until then, enjoy,
and help by registering yourself and spreading the revolution with/for us
across the internet and beyond. Thanks in advance,
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Find out more by watching at YouTube Video:
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If you support CrankMyChain! CycleTV and this great project be sure to
register at http://onemillionbicycles.org/register.html. Also, help our
video get some legs at YouTube today by rating it 5-stars, commenting,
favoriting, and embedding the video on your own site.
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:06:17 -0700
From: "Mike Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Alpenrose painting Saturday?
To: "'Peter Welte'" ,
Message-ID: <000401c8b24a$dbee2300$9601a8c0@MikeLT>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Definitely on. Looks like the weather will cooperate.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Welte
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 21:44 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Alpenrose painting Saturday?
Hey all,
I'm interested in riding up to Alpenrose Saturday morning with some friends
fromPSU Cycling to help paint.
The webpage [1] for the event said it is 'weather permitting', and to check
the mailing list for info but I haven't seen any about it - I'm curious if
the event is still on?
thanks!
-peter
1: http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/track_cleanup.html
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:14:03 -0700
From: "Darell C. Provencher"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett Jarolimek
Memorial
To: "Craig Rutter"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org, mark@veloforma.com, Corey Stayton
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Since I started this string I feel compelled to conclude it. As Shakespeare
said, "All's well that ends well." Perhaps the lesson learned here is how do
we judge the perceived gap between actions vs intention. What initially
spurred me to send my first message was the statement of actions with little
or no informatoin about intent, which led me and others to fill in the
intentions. This terrible situation of losing a fellow cyclist often has a
deeply embedded emotional layer to it, which I have felt in a similar
tragedy in losing my friend Eric Kautzky. These emotions are also felt by
Brett's friends, as I witnessed from personal conversations and emails sent
to me over the last two days.
So I sent out my message, without first verifying the intentions of Mr.
Rutter. Perhaps next time I should send an offline message first to
understand the context and intention. Several of us let our emotions
outweigh other possible intentions. I beleve Mr. Rutter's response today was
sincere and genuine, and included some valuable self-insights.
And I think Corey Stayton's email is on target when he said, "It is about
the Brett Jarolimek Fund and the meaning behind it is a powerful one shaped
by all of the people who contributed to the fund that night or at anytime
and care about the big picture of cycling in Portland."
I'll write my check to Brett's Fund tonite, and I hope that in a small way
it will contribute to the cycling community, while helping me continue to
heal as well.
Darell
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Craig Rutter wrote:
> Hello,
> I sincerely apologize for any ill feelings or disrespect I may have
caused,
> it certainly was not my intention. With that being said I would like to
> address a couple of things since there seems to be a lot of
> assumptions(mostly on my part)about the frameset I recently became owner
of.
>
> 1) I could not attend the event/fund raiser held May 1st.
> 2) I purchased my raffle tickets online via PayPal.
>
> When I was notified I had won the Veloforma frameset I assumed it was just
> a "regular" frameset and not something special for the event. Even when I
> received emails from James Lingwood and Mark Duff they didn't mention
> anything about the "special" frame. Mark had even said I won the F1R and
> needed to pick a size for myself or a friend, it was mine to do whatever I
> wanted. So they assumed I known what I had won.
>
> I, again, assumed since this was a race frame and I am not a racer, I
> should sell it and use the proceeds to purchase a bike to my riding style,
a
> nice touring bike. So that was where the OBRA post originated from, I
> figured someone on this list would be interested. I set the price at 2400
> since the msrp was 2500 but also said I would take reasonable offers.
Sure
> I would have taken less but wanted to start high. I would not pick a size
> and let the purchaser pick one, that gave me a larger customer base, if
you
> will.
> I did feel awkward for putting something up for sale that I had won and
> even send Mark and email stating so, but hey, if someone really wanted the
> frame they should have it more than I. So last night I emailed
Mark(again)
> stating I had changed my mind and I would take the Large, just let me know
> when I could pick it up.
>
> Then later that night I see the email from Mr. Provencher...wow...talk
> about a blow to the gut. I had no idea about the "special" frame.
> Ignorance...it is such bad form, that is the part I feel sick about.
> To be labeled as a person trying to receive a "significant gain" and
> "lining my pockets" really did not help and were just as bad as the
> assumptions I had made.
>
> So that's my story. Hopefully it helped explain my actions and we all know
> they needed explaining.
> Again, I am sorry.
>
> Craig Rutter
>
>
>
>
>
> mark@veloforma.com wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> I just got in to the office to check emails.
>>
>> Craig sent me an email this morning stating that he would like to KEEP
the
>> bike, and has ordered a large F1R. I think his initial concern was/is he
is
>> tall and weighs in at 220 and not a racer, that will not be a problem.
The
>> bike can handle it. So the frame issue is taken care of...
>>
>> Cory you are correct. This is about Brett, his family and his fund. How
>> his life came to a tragic end. The frame is a extremely small way to
>> memorialize Brett and his life. What's important is about how someone
lost
>> there life doing what they truly loved. About keeping his memory alive.
It's
>> about doing what we can as a group to help Portland cycling/cyclists
thrive.
>> We don't take material things with us when we pass, material goods do us
no
>> good once we leave this life, it's about what we do when we are alive
that
>> makes all the difference.
>>
>> So lets keep on trying to make a difference in life any way we can...
Have
>> a great day everyone and remember how precious life truly is.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Mark Duff - President
>> Veloforma, Inc.
>> WHQ 41991 NW Woollen Rd/ Banks, OR 97106
>> mail PO Box 185/ Banks, OR 97106
>> tel 971.255.9375 cell 503.789.6735
>> fax 503.625.0768
>> www.veloforma.com
>> www.veloforma.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:14:42 -0700
From: "Darell C. Provencher"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Alpenrose painting Saturday?
To: mike.murray@obra.org
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Pancakes???
2008/5/9 Mike Murray :
> Definitely on. Looks like the weather will cooperate.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Welte
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 08, 2008 21:44 PM
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Alpenrose painting Saturday?
>
> Hey all,
>
> I'm interested in riding up to Alpenrose Saturday morning with some
> friends fromPSU Cycling to help paint.
>
> The webpage [1] for the event said it is 'weather permitting', and to
> check the mailing list for info but I haven't seen any about it - I'm
> curious if the event is still on?
>
> thanks!
>
> -peter
>
> 1: http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/track_cleanup.html
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:18:55 -0700
From: "Mike Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Alpenrose painting Saturday?
To: "'Darell C. Provencher'"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Definitely Yes!! Chris King and company will be making pancakes. And Candi
has been making cookies all day.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Darell C. Provencher [mailto:darellp@easystreet.net]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 20:15 PM
To: mike.murray@obra.org
Cc: Peter Welte; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Alpenrose painting Saturday?
Pancakes???
2008/5/9 Mike Murray :
Definitely on. Looks like the weather will cooperate.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Welte
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 21:44 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Alpenrose painting Saturday?
Hey all,
I'm interested in riding up to Alpenrose Saturday morning with some friends
fromPSU Cycling to help paint.
The webpage [1] for the event said it is 'weather permitting', and to check
the mailing list for info but I haven't seen any about it - I'm curious if
the event is still on?
thanks!
-peter
1: http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2008/track_cleanup.html
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:46:21 -0700
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett
JarolimekMemorial
To: "Craig Rutter" ,
Cc: mark@veloforma.com, Corey Stayton
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Craig,
As someone that has just been racing since Fall of 2004 and
touring/commuting since 1969...not to worry about wanting a bike that fits
your needs. I commend you for supporting the Brett fund by purchasing a
ticket. Mark Duff summed up our trip here on earth pretty darn well. You
have done nothing wrong and neither did Darell. What can happen with us
humans (and emails seem to heighten this tendency at times) is we can be
misunderstood or misinterpreted. This is what I believe happened. You are
going to be getting a beautiful bike. Thank you for supporting the fund.
Thank Darell for supporting the fund and thanks to Mark and Veloforma for
supporting the fund. I just wish I could learn to not "assume things".
Being married has helped me get better at this, but it sure is an easy
mindset to fall into.
take care,
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Rutter"
To:
Cc: ; "Corey Stayton"
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett
JarolimekMemorial
> Hello,
> I sincerely apologize for any ill feelings or disrespect I may have
> caused, it certainly was not my intention. With that being said I would
> like to address a couple of things since there seems to be a lot of
> assumptions(mostly on my part)about the frameset I recently became owner
> of.
>
> 1) I could not attend the event/fund raiser held May 1st.
> 2) I purchased my raffle tickets online via PayPal.
>
> When I was notified I had won the Veloforma frameset I assumed it was
> just a "regular" frameset and not something special for the event. Even
> when I received emails from James Lingwood and Mark Duff they didn't
> mention anything about the "special" frame. Mark had even said I won
> the F1R and needed to pick a size for myself or a friend, it was mine to
> do whatever I wanted. So they assumed I known what I had won.
>
> I, again, assumed since this was a race frame and I am not a racer, I
> should sell it and use the proceeds to purchase a bike to my riding
> style, a nice touring bike. So that was where the OBRA post originated
> from, I figured someone on this list would be interested. I set the
> price at 2400 since the msrp was 2500 but also said I would take
> reasonable offers. Sure I would have taken less but wanted to start
> high. I would not pick a size and let the purchaser pick one, that gave
> me a larger customer base, if you will.
>
> I did feel awkward for putting something up for sale that I had won and
> even send Mark and email stating so, but hey, if someone really wanted
> the frame they should have it more than I. So last night I emailed
> Mark(again) stating I had changed my mind and I would take the Large,
> just let me know when I could pick it up.
>
> Then later that night I see the email from Mr. Provencher...wow...talk
> about a blow to the gut. I had no idea about the "special" frame.
> Ignorance...it is such bad form, that is the part I feel sick about.
> To be labeled as a person trying to receive a "significant gain" and
> "lining my pockets" really did not help and were just as bad as the
> assumptions I had made.
>
> So that's my story.
> Hopefully it helped explain my actions and we all know they needed
> explaining.
>
> Again, I am sorry.
>
> Craig Rutter
>
>
>
>
>
> mark@veloforma.com wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> I just got in to the office to check emails.
>>
>> Craig sent me an email this morning stating that he would like to KEEP
>> the bike, and has ordered a large F1R. I think his initial concern
>> was/is he is tall and weighs in at 220 and not a racer, that will not
>> be a problem. The bike can handle it. So the frame issue is taken care
>> of...
>>
>> Cory you are correct. This is about Brett, his family and his fund.
>> How his life came to a tragic end. The frame is a extremely small way
>> to memorialize Brett and his life. What's important is about how
>> someone lost there life doing what they truly loved. About keeping his
>> memory alive. It's about doing what we can as a group to help Portland
>> cycling/cyclists thrive. We don't take material things with us when we
>> pass, material goods do us no good once we leave this life, it's about
>> what we do when we are alive that makes all the difference.
>>
>> So lets keep on trying to make a difference in life any way we can...
>> Have a great day everyone and remember how precious life truly is.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Mark Duff - President
>> Veloforma, Inc.
>> WHQ 41991 NW Woollen Rd/ Banks, OR 97106
>> mail PO Box 185/ Banks, OR 97106
>> tel 971.255.9375 cell 503.789.6735
>> fax 503.625.0768
>> www.veloforma.com
>> www.veloforma.blogspot.com
>>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 04:02:38 +0000
From: Evan Plews
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Giro Viewing
To: OBRA list list
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My apologies for being uninformed but anyone privy to watching the Giro
online this year? Thanks.
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:13:01 -0700
From: "david baker"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Giro Viewing
To: "Evan Plews" , "OBRA list list"
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you can buy it here for 30 bucks
http://www.cycling.tv/extras/packages/giro-ditalia
or if you have dish network you can order RAI for 10 bucks a month
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Giro Viewing
My apologies for being uninformed but anyone privy to watching the Giro
online this year? Thanks.
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:55:37 -0700
From: Barry O'Connor
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Giro viewing
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Last year RAI website streamed it for free. Link was posted on steephill.tv
-Barry
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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Yann Blindert
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett Jarolimek
Memorial
To: obra@list.obra.org, Craig Rutter
Cc: mark@veloforma.com, Corey Stayton
Message-ID: <555394.47219.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Sorry Craig,
I apologize for jumping to conclusions. My main goal was to refocus the
energy back to contributing to the fund.
Thank you for contributing. From what I heard and saw, the fund raising
event was quite successful.
Yann
--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Craig Rutter wrote:
> From: Craig Rutter
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: Veloforma F1R Frameset -- Brett Jarolimek
Memorial
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Cc: "Corey Stayton" , mark@veloforma.com,
"Darell C. Provencher" , nevens42@yahoo.com
> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 7:00 PM
> Hello,
> I sincerely apologize for any ill feelings or disrespect I
> may have
> caused, it certainly was not my intention. With that being
> said I would
> like to address a couple of things since there seems to be
> a lot of
> assumptions(mostly on my part)about the frameset I recently
> became owner of.
>
> 1) I could not attend the event/fund raiser held May 1st.
> 2) I purchased my raffle tickets online via PayPal.
>
> When I was notified I had won the Veloforma frameset I
> assumed it was
> just a "regular" frameset and not something
> special for the event. Even
> when I received emails from James Lingwood and Mark Duff
> they didn't
> mention anything about the "special" frame. Mark
> had even said I won
> the F1R and needed to pick a size for myself or a friend,
> it was mine to
> do whatever I wanted. So they assumed I known what I had
> won.
>
> I, again, assumed since this was a race frame and I am not
> a racer, I
> should sell it and use the proceeds to purchase a bike to
> my riding
> style, a nice touring bike. So that was where the OBRA
> post originated
> from, I figured someone on this list would be interested.
> I set the
> price at 2400 since the msrp was 2500 but also said I would
> take
> reasonable offers. Sure I would have taken less but wanted
> to start
> high. I would not pick a size and let the purchaser pick
> one, that gave
> me a larger customer base, if you will.
>
> I did feel awkward for putting something up for sale that I
> had won and
> even send Mark and email stating so, but hey, if someone
> really wanted
> the frame they should have it more than I. So last night I
> emailed
> Mark(again) stating I had changed my mind and I would take
> the Large,
> just let me know when I could pick it up.
>
> Then later that night I see the email from Mr.
> Provencher...wow...talk
> about a blow to the gut. I had no idea about the
> "special" frame.
> Ignorance...it is such bad form, that is the part I feel
> sick about.
> To be labeled as a person trying to receive a
> "significant gain" and
> "lining my pockets" really did not help and were
> just as bad as the
> assumptions I had made.
>
> So that's my story.
> Hopefully it helped explain my actions and we all know they
> needed
> explaining.
>
> Again, I am sorry.
>
> Craig Rutter
>
>
>
>
>
> mark@veloforma.com wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > I just got in to the office to check emails.
> >
> > Craig sent me an email this morning stating that he
> would like to KEEP
> > the bike, and has ordered a large F1R. I think his
> initial concern
> > was/is he is tall and weighs in at 220 and not a
> racer, that will not
> > be a problem. The bike can handle it. So the frame
> issue is taken care
> > of...
> >
> > Cory you are correct. This is about Brett, his family
> and his fund.
> > How his life came to a tragic end. The frame is a
> extremely small way
> > to memorialize Brett and his life. What's
> important is about how
> > someone lost there life doing what they truly loved.
> About keeping his
> > memory alive. It's about doing what we can as a
> group to help Portland
> > cycling/cyclists thrive. We don't take material
> things with us when we
> > pass, material goods do us no good once we leave this
> life, it's about
> > what we do when we are alive that makes all the
> difference.
> >
> > So lets keep on trying to make a difference in life
> any way we can...
> > Have a great day everyone and remember how precious
> life truly is.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Mark Duff - President
> > Veloforma, Inc.
> > WHQ 41991 NW Woollen Rd/ Banks, OR 97106
> > mail PO Box 185/ Banks, OR 97106
> > tel 971.255.9375 cell 503.789.6735
> > fax 503.625.0768
> > www.veloforma.com
> > www.veloforma.blogspot.com
>
> >
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Message: 27
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:15:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sami Fournier
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] looking 4 ride to Chainbreaker from PDX
To: Kevin , obra@list.obra.org
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I can help with one way -- from Bend to PDX on Monday
AM. (we also have space to host a racer here in
Bend.)
Sami
--- Kevin wrote:
> Hi y'all,
>
> I'm looking for a round trip ride from Portland to
> the chainbreaker (this weekend). Can split fuel
> costs. Give me a call if you've got room.
>
> --Kevin
> 503.901.7853
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