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This entire process makes gluing tubulars sound very easy and tubulars still offer substantial performance advantages for cross.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: ibis23@comcast.net

> Someone mentioned earlier about using Kysriums in a tubeless setup. Could you
> please elaborate on what your setup was specifically? Do any legitimate systems
> exist that can convert standard road wheels to tubeless?
> Thanks.
> Dave
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Klahn
>
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:59:34
> To:"Erik Voldengen"
> Cc:"obra@list.obra.org"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX
>
>
> OK, thanks for the info. Still, anyone use the Bontrager's for either
> XC or CX? Still nice to have options.
>
> Matthew
>
> On May 16, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Erik Voldengen wrote:
>
> > This is indeed a myth. Stans addressed it in their forums. I think
> > they actually said that, if anything, it's good for the tires. Who
> > knows, but I've seen ZERO tire issues from being in contact with
> > stans. Keeps em nice and juicy on the inside.
> >
> > -Erik
> >>> So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular
> >>> set up
> >>> for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
> >>> multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
> >>> there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set
> >>> ups
> >>> for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant,
> >>> which I
> >>> understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
> >>> has ammonia in the mixture).
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brice stivers

Matthew-
Here's my two cents! Bontrager Superjuice is only to be used with
Bontrager Tubeless Ready tires according to the wheel systems manager at
Trek, it also states it on the label in fine print. I don't use tubeless
but have had a great experience with Troo Goo sealed tubes, and supposedly
they work to seal Tubeless tires as well. He's a one man operation
(chemist) out of Colorado and his product rocks! We sold this sealant in
bulk at the shop I worked at along the Front Range where goatheads are in
abundance and received nothing but rave reviews from customers. During my
tour down the coast I cut a Continental Top Touring 2000 tire(these are
thick tires), after viewing the tire with the tube exposed I decided to pump
up the tire and ride it out, the sealant held for miles! I eventually
stopped to change the tire though, it felt like a horribly out of round
wheel, I'm sure it would have held for sometime. Check out his website, we
may have go in on an order of this stuff and I believe he sells direct!

http://www.truegoo.com/

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Matthew Klahn wrote:

> So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular set up
> for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
> multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
> there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set ups
> for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant, which I
> understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
> has ammonia in the mixture).
>
> My question is, has anyone locally used Bontrager's Super Juice
> instead of Stan's with a CX tubeless set up? Also, if you do use
> Stan's rims, are you using the ZTR 355 29er's, or what? Those are 24mm
> wide rims, so do they fit 32mm tires like Michelin Mud 2s securely
> enough to run them tubeless?
>
> Matthew Klahn
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david baker

I have used the bontragers juice for a couple of years(xc) and it works very
well. I does not plug as big of holes (nail size) and as I think the stans
does. But it does do a great job of the initial sealing and filling small
holes(thorns).
So I guess I am going to try stans but have got in the habit of using
bontragers, and once you get a system that works it is hard to change.
Bottom line they are both EXCELLENT.
I really feel there are performance advantages to tubeless other than the
ability to go low pressure.
I think the bike steers better and more smooth.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Klahn"
To: "Erik Voldengen"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX

> OK, thanks for the info. Still, anyone use the Bontrager's for either
> XC or CX? Still nice to have options.
>
> Matthew
>
> On May 16, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Erik Voldengen wrote:
>
>> This is indeed a myth. Stans addressed it in their forums. I think
>> they actually said that, if anything, it's good for the tires. Who
>> knows, but I've seen ZERO tire issues from being in contact with
>> stans. Keeps em nice and juicy on the inside.
>>
>> -Erik
>>>> So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular
>>>> set up
>>>> for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
>>>> multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
>>>> there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set
>>>> ups
>>>> for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant,
>>>> which I
>>>> understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
>>>> has ammonia in the mixture).
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Craig Austin

I've used Ksyriums with tubeless and I know others who have as well. My setup, specifically, was: Ksyrium SSC wheels, tubeless valve stem, Stan's liquid, and standard (not UST-specific) Vittoria XG 'cross tires.

Nothing else was required. Ksyriums don't have spoke holes, so no tape is needed, they're already sealed. I've also used standard road wheels and Stan's tape (not rim strips, just the yellow tape, which looks like slightly stiffer, slicker masking tape), with good success, but the Ksyriums and Vittorias matched up so well I could inflate them with a floor pump but still install and remove the tires without a lever.

Some tire/rim combos won't work. They need to fit the rim tightly enough that they won't blow off. I have not been able to use Ritchey tires with any Mavic rim, and some Michelin muds haven't sealed perfectly on some rims, but the jury's still out on those and I'm trying that again this year.

You can always use the Stans rim strips, but to me they seem to add unnecessary weight and hassle. Tires are harder to mount and dismount, so I don't use them. Best to try and see what works for you. It's not an exact science.

Craig

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org on behalf of ibis23@comcast.net
Sent: Fri 5/16/2008 3:37 PM
To: Matthew Klahn; obra-bounces@list.obra.org; Erik Voldengen
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX

Someone mentioned earlier about using Kysriums in a tubeless setup. Could you please elaborate on what your setup was specifically? Do any legitimate systems exist that can convert standard road wheels to tubeless?
Thanks.
Dave
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Klahn

Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:59:34
To:"Erik Voldengen"
Cc:"obra@list.obra.org"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX

OK, thanks for the info. Still, anyone use the Bontrager's for either
XC or CX? Still nice to have options.

Matthew

On May 16, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Erik Voldengen wrote:

> This is indeed a myth. Stans addressed it in their forums. I think
> they actually said that, if anything, it's good for the tires. Who
> knows, but I've seen ZERO tire issues from being in contact with
> stans. Keeps em nice and juicy on the inside.
>
> -Erik
>>> So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular
>>> set up
>>> for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
>>> multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
>>> there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set
>>> ups
>>> for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant,
>>> which I
>>> understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
>>> has ammonia in the mixture).
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Josh LeBus

As of recent the Hutchinson brand tire with the stan's set-up is pretty much
compatible with all mid to high end wheels. Not sure that all have been road
tested but that's the theory. Before they were only compatible with a
shimano model rim but now they're compatible with most/all. As menitoned in
Patrick's earlier email with his road experience if you're looking to
convert standard road wheels to tubeless use the Hutchinson Kit; stans rim
tape, goop, and valve (cyclepath stocks them). I recently mounted them to a
set of Eastons. No problems except the initial inflation...you need a lot of
pressure to seal them up and a floor pump didn't cut it. Either an air
compressor or a simple CO2 will do the trick...as for ride quality my wife
road them and loved the smooth ride but was a bit sketch out on the narrow
profile and the transition between the dual compounds in the turns we're a
bit slick to her?? It could have been the pressure in them too as you really
have to curb your habit of inflating to the usual 100-120 range. the tubless
is for sure 80-90.

hope that helps

p.s. the application for putting them on was super simple!

On 5/16/08, ibis23@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned earlier about using Kysriums in a tubeless setup. Could
> you please elaborate on what your setup was specifically? Do any legitimate
> systems exist that can convert standard road wheels to tubeless?
> Thanks.
> Dave
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Klahn
>
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:59:34
> To:"Erik Voldengen"
> Cc:"obra@list.obra.org"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX
>
>
> OK, thanks for the info. Still, anyone use the Bontrager's for either
> XC or CX? Still nice to have options.
>
> Matthew
>
> On May 16, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Erik Voldengen wrote:
>
> > This is indeed a myth. Stans addressed it in their forums. I think
> > they actually said that, if anything, it's good for the tires. Who
> > knows, but I've seen ZERO tire issues from being in contact with
> > stans. Keeps em nice and juicy on the inside.
> >
> > -Erik
> >>> So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular
> >>> set up
> >>> for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
> >>> multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
> >>> there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set
> >>> ups
> >>> for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant,
> >>> which I
> >>> understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
> >>> has ammonia in the mixture).
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Someone mentioned earlier about using Kysriums in a tubeless setup. Could you please elaborate on what your setup was specifically? Do any legitimate systems exist that can convert standard road wheels to tubeless?
Thanks.
Dave
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Klahn

Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:59:34
To:"Erik Voldengen"
Cc:"obra@list.obra.org"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX

OK, thanks for the info. Still, anyone use the Bontrager's for either
XC or CX? Still nice to have options.

Matthew

On May 16, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Erik Voldengen wrote:

> This is indeed a myth. Stans addressed it in their forums. I think
> they actually said that, if anything, it's good for the tires. Who
> knows, but I've seen ZERO tire issues from being in contact with
> stans. Keeps em nice and juicy on the inside.
>
> -Erik
>>> So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular
>>> set up
>>> for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
>>> multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
>>> there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set
>>> ups
>>> for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant,
>>> which I
>>> understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
>>> has ammonia in the mixture).
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OK, thanks for the info. Still, anyone use the Bontrager's for either
XC or CX? Still nice to have options.

Matthew

On May 16, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Erik Voldengen wrote:

> This is indeed a myth. Stans addressed it in their forums. I think
> they actually said that, if anything, it's good for the tires. Who
> knows, but I've seen ZERO tire issues from being in contact with
> stans. Keeps em nice and juicy on the inside.
>
> -Erik
>>> So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular
>>> set up
>>> for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
>>> multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
>>> there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set
>>> ups
>>> for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant,
>>> which I
>>> understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
>>> has ammonia in the mixture).
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Erik Voldengen

This is indeed a myth. Stans addressed it in their forums. I think
they actually said that, if anything, it's good for the tires. Who
knows, but I've seen ZERO tire issues from being in contact with
stans. Keeps em nice and juicy on the inside.

-Erik
>> So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular set up
>> for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
>> multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
>> there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set ups
>> for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant, which I
>> understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
>> has ammonia in the mixture).

Ben Fischler

I'm going to call the rot issue a myth. I've known lots of mountain riders
who ride the crap out of their tubeless setups constantly and while there
are issues with burping and the goop turning to powder after a while, I have
never, ever heard of any tire rot.

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Martin Baker
wrote:

> I've run many tires with Stan's sealant, both mountain and cyclocross, and
> they have all worn out after a number of seasons with absolutely no sign of
> "rot."
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Matthew Klahn
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:56 PM
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX
>
> So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular set up
> for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
> multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
> there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set ups
> for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant, which I
> understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
> has ammonia in the mixture).
>
> My question is, has anyone locally used Bontrager's Super Juice
> instead of Stan's with a CX tubeless set up? Also, if you do use
> Stan's rims, are you using the ZTR 355 29er's, or what? Those are 24mm
> wide rims, so do they fit 32mm tires like Michelin Mud 2s securely
> enough to run them tubeless?
>
> Matthew Klahn
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Daniel Porter

I've been running the Stans  system on my race wheels: (ZTR 355 29er, stans fluid, stans strips, and Michelin Mud 2s for the past 2 seasons with absolutely no issues other than having to add new stans fluid at the beginning of the 07 season. I need new tires this season and will be replacing my warn muds with a new pair.
The downside, is that the 29er rims are wider than traditional road rims so my brakes need to be adjusted everytime I change wheels.  (thankfully has not been an issue during a race). 

----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Klahn
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:55:53 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX

So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular set up 
for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in 
multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know 
there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set ups 
for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant, which I 
understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it 
has ammonia in the mixture).

My question is, has anyone locally used Bontrager's Super Juice 
instead of Stan's with a CX tubeless set up? Also, if you do use 
Stan's rims, are you using the ZTR 355 29er's, or what? Those are 24mm 
wide rims, so do they fit 32mm tires like Michelin Mud 2s securely 
enough to run them tubeless?

Matthew Klahn
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Martin Baker

I've run many tires with Stan's sealant, both mountain and cyclocross, and
they have all worn out after a number of seasons with absolutely no sign of
"rot."

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Matthew Klahn
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:56 PM
To: OBRA list list
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX

So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular set up
for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set ups
for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant, which I
understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
has ammonia in the mixture).

My question is, has anyone locally used Bontrager's Super Juice
instead of Stan's with a CX tubeless set up? Also, if you do use
Stan's rims, are you using the ZTR 355 29er's, or what? Those are 24mm
wide rims, so do they fit 32mm tires like Michelin Mud 2s securely
enough to run them tubeless?

Matthew Klahn
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Brian Engelen

Please elaborate on the ammonia thing. I've been OK for a couple of
seasons. The only problem I had was when the sealant dried out while the
wheel/tire was in storage this winter. The puddle of sealant solidified
like thin fried egg whites. That would have put the wheel out of balance if
I had not removed it.

Brian

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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:05 PM
To: Matthew Klahn; OBRA list list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX

Has anyone actually had their tires "eaten" by Stans? I've had a set of
Maxxis Ignitors on my 29er for over two years, and have never even had to
deflate them to add more goop. (I probably will soon, just because it's
really been awhile.)

I also ran tubeless for 'cross using Ksyriums and Vittoria XG (non-UST)
tires, no strips, no tape, just goop, but those held air from August through
January. I had to break the seals to put road tires on this spring. Seems to
work pretty well to me.

Maybe I'm just lucky and my tires are a thin veneer of rotting imminent
death.

Craig

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org on behalf of Matthew Klahn
Sent: Fri 5/16/2008 1:55 PM
To: OBRA list list
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX

So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular set up
for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set ups
for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant, which I
understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
has ammonia in the mixture).

My question is, has anyone locally used Bontrager's Super Juice
instead of Stan's with a CX tubeless set up? Also, if you do use
Stan's rims, are you using the ZTR 355 29er's, or what? Those are 24mm
wide rims, so do they fit 32mm tires like Michelin Mud 2s securely
enough to run them tubeless?

Matthew Klahn
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Craig Austin

Has anyone actually had their tires "eaten" by Stans? I've had a set of Maxxis Ignitors on my 29er for over two years, and have never even had to deflate them to add more goop. (I probably will soon, just because it's really been awhile.)

I also ran tubeless for 'cross using Ksyriums and Vittoria XG (non-UST) tires, no strips, no tape, just goop, but those held air from August through January. I had to break the seals to put road tires on this spring. Seems to work pretty well to me.

Maybe I'm just lucky and my tires are a thin veneer of rotting imminent death.

Craig

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org on behalf of Matthew Klahn
Sent: Fri 5/16/2008 1:55 PM
To: OBRA list list
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless options for CX

So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular set up
for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set ups
for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant, which I
understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
has ammonia in the mixture).

My question is, has anyone locally used Bontrager's Super Juice
instead of Stan's with a CX tubeless set up? Also, if you do use
Stan's rims, are you using the ZTR 355 29er's, or what? Those are 24mm
wide rims, so do they fit 32mm tires like Michelin Mud 2s securely
enough to run them tubeless?

Matthew Klahn
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Matthew Klahn

So, I've been almost talked out of going to any kind of tubular set up
for the Cross Crusade this year, as I'm not up to investing in
multiple wheelsets and CX tubular tires at this point. So, I know
there are a few people out there like Erik V that run tubeless set ups
for CX, but it seems like a lot of people use Stan's sealant, which I
understand will eat tires over the course of the season (because it
has ammonia in the mixture).

My question is, has anyone locally used Bontrager's Super Juice
instead of Stan's with a CX tubeless set up? Also, if you do use
Stan's rims, are you using the ZTR 355 29er's, or what? Those are 24mm
wide rims, so do they fit 32mm tires like Michelin Mud 2s securely
enough to run them tubeless?

Matthew Klahn