michael kath
try again..hope this workd
From: mikekath240@hotmail.comTo: obra@list.obra.orgDate: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:30:29 +0000Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Silverton Road Race Route Up Date
here is a unofficial map and profile based on directions below.
From: michelechirgwin@comcast.netTo: mike.murray@obra.org; obra@list.obra.orgDate: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:53:28 +0000Subject: [OBRA Chat] Silverton Road Race Route Up Date
Hello To Everyone,Here is the road route info for the Silverton race as sent to me from AG. I hope that helps out whoever needs them. I sure did. See below:Hi Michele,I'm trying desperately to get the route mapper working. The program is broken! Anyway, the course starts at the Victor Point Elementary School at the junction of Victor Pt Rd and Doerfler Rd. Turn north and head up Victor Pt Rd. You will meet a T junction which is Drift Creek Rd. Turn right and stay on Drfit Creek and although it winds and curves, don't turn off Drfit Creek until you arrrive at Rte 214. Turn right on 214 and take it west back towards Victor Pt Rd. Take a right on Victor Pt Rd and do the same loop again. The finish is at the top of the second climb after turning back onto Victor Pt Rd - the first climb is up to Waldo Hills rd where there is a treed intersection. Descend quickly onto a little flat which then rises into a longer climb. Towards the top, there are two farm houses, one on either side. On the right just past the farmhouse on the right is a little dirt clearing, that's where the truck will be parked and that is the finish for this year. Hope that helps,AG
--Michele Chirgwin
-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Mike Murray"
I think you misunderstand. This does not happen just to the intoxicated or disenfranchised but it does happen to them more frequently. Of course, the ED patient population is more often intoxicated and disenfranchised then other populations. It is interesting to get criticized for an attitude when I spend much of my life caring for this group without compensation.
We do not release people to the street unless it is their desire to go there. People that have resources are, of course, expected to provide for their own needs. Mike Manning, and evidently Ed, are people that have resources. Medical care providers should not be held responsible for transporting them home any more than any other business would be. After all, we are not in the transportation business. If people have no resources we often pay for transportation to wherever they are going. We give them clothing if theirs has been damaged. We feed them if they ask for food while they are there. We attempt to find housing for those that have none. The cost of providing that care is part of the high medical bills that the rest of us pay. When we get national health care the cost will instead come from high taxes or decreased government al ser vices in other areas as nothing comes from nothing. Mike Murray
-----Original Message-----From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of EdSent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 13:29 PMTo: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cat 3 crash
I'm not drunk, poor, or without friends, but this happened to me too.
Hospitals should never release people to the street.
Attitudes, such as the one below, are among the reasons why we will have National Health Care in America. Until then, God help us all.Mike Murray wrote:
As an ED doc I have to point out that people arriving by ambulance and then having no way to get home is at least a daily, if not a several times per day event. Of course often these are people that have few resources, are intoxicated or otherwise socially disadvantaged. Somewhat ironically, they often think that it is our responsibility, as the medical care providers, to figure this one out for them. I am often tempted to ask them if we should also try to figure out how to pay their rent or buy them groceries too.
I think that Mike is to be commended in planning to cover this issue for people but it is certainly not something that he, or any other race organizer, is responsible for. The people that pointed out that this is what friends and family members are for are correct. After all, what good are friends if you don't use them? There is also the option of taxi, public transportation, car rental, etc. although this is often expensive, time consuming and difficult to arrange in many areas. Friends, and good ones, are generally more dependable.
Mike Murray
-----Original Message-----From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of J.Michael ManningSent: Monday, May 26, 2008 16:06 PMTo: markjginsberg@yahoo.com; chuck; obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cat 3 crash
Well it appears that the consensus is against me. Let me make it clear that I am not criticizing OBRA or the guys at Three Rivers Racing. Nonetheless, I will provide this service at my race in the event that a rider may need assistance. In my 25 years of racing, though I have crashed numerous times, it is the first time I have been hospitalized. Neither have I been in a situation where I felt responsible for another athlete. It was simply an eye opener, as I had to wait at the hospital for almost 2 hours after being discharged. That gave me plenty of time to think it over. Mike
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:51:28 -0700From: markjginsberg@yahoo.comTo: cycleone23@hotmail.com; broncos0797321@yahoo.com; obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cat 3 crashsorry, Mike,I am with Chuck on this one, while it is hard to get back FROM the hospital, the race doesn't owe that to you.Mark"J.Michael Manning" wrote:
Yeah...that sounds simple enough. But it doesn't always work that way. I was accompanied by one of my athletes who was scheduled to race at 2:00 and he was not notified by the officials until 10 minutes before his start time. Besides, he should not have to miss his race because of my misfortune. Mike Manning
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