Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!

Raggy23

2008-07-08

Some people live in places where you must drive
I live 45 miles from the nearest town

Some times you need an auto

We don't all live in an metro area

Take care

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:06 PM, "Joe Cipale" wrote:

I just have a fundamental probelm with the concept of 'purchasing' Carbon Offsets. It just smacks of environmental as well as Corporate hypocrisy...

gschreckchat wrote:

It promotes bike racing on an automobile racing track. Does that not pollute less than an auto race?

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Susan Otcenas"

Yes, I know some people ride there. Many other drive. But, that's not
the point. Carbon offsets are about carbon emitters "purchasing" the
right to pollute. Sellers of offsets are generate them from
emissions-reducing projects, like a wind farm. The sale of offsets are
supposed to provide funds to encourage those emissions-reducing
industries to thrive.

A bike race is not a carbon reducing industry that should be benefitting
from funds for carbon offsets. That's what's wrong with it.

Susan
--------------------------------------------
Susan Otcenas
TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
1-877-310-4592
--------------------------------------------
Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: hagenkt@mac.com [mailto:hagenkt@mac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:38 AM
To: Susan Otcenas; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!

Tons of people ride to PIR. Those of us that can't probably have
legitimate reasons. I think this is what providing corporations the
opportunity to buy carbon offsets is all about. Before this, we didn't
have prize money, now we do. What's wrong with that?

Karsten

On 7/8/08 9:21 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:

So, a bunch of people drive to a bike race.... And a car company gets
carbon offsets for providing prize money?

Maybe someone brighter than me can explain how prize money for a bike
race translates into offsetting carbon emissions.

Susan

--------------------------------------------
Susan Otcenas
TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
1-877-310-4592
--------------------------------------------
Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On Behalf Of Jim Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:54 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org; Candi Murray/Oregon
Bicycle Racing Assn; OREGON BICYCLE RACING ASSOCIATION; Dave
Aldersebaes
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!

Reposting for Jeff.....

Yep, $700 cash money.

Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July
series will have an additional $700 on the line.

The breakdown will be as follows:

*Individual* SERIES winner take all for each category as follows.

Cat 4/5 - $100
Cat 3/4 - $200
Cat 1/2 - $300

*Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a
given team. Start practicing your lead-outs.

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gschreckchat@comcast.net

2008-07-08

The theory makes economic sense as it is suppsoed to incent others to reduce pollution who can do not for less cost and more efficiently than can the purchaser of the offsets.

In the case of a bike race, the theory breaks down (my tounge is cheek prior response notwithstanding), as the bike race is not replacing some other polluting activity. It would make sense only if you paid the promoter to cancel an auto race an substitute a bike race, which is stretching the point a bit anyway.

--

George Schreck
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(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Joe Cipale"

> I just have a fundamental probelm with the concept of 'purchasing' Carbon
> Offsets. It just smacks of environmental as well as Corporate hypocrisy...
>
> gschreckchat wrote:
>
> > It promotes bike racing on an automobile racing track. Does that not pollute
> less than an auto race?
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Susan Otcenas"
> >
> > > Yes, I know some people ride there. Many other drive. But, that's not
> > > the point. Carbon offsets are about carbon emitters "purchasing" the
> > > right to pollute. Sellers of offsets are generate them from
> > > emissions-reducing projects, like a wind farm. The sale of offsets are
> > > supposed to provide funds to encourage those emissions-reducing
> > > industries to thrive.
> > >
> > > A bike race is not a carbon reducing industry that should be benefitting
> > > from funds for carbon offsets. That's what's wrong with it.
> > >
> > > Susan
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > Susan Otcenas
> > > TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> > > http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> > > 1-877-310-4592
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: hagenkt@mac.com [mailto:hagenkt@mac.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:38 AM
> > > To: Susan Otcenas; obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
> > >
> > > Tons of people ride to PIR. Those of us that can't probably have
> > > legitimate reasons. I think this is what providing corporations the
> > > opportunity to buy carbon offsets is all about. Before this, we didn't
> > > have prize money, now we do. What's wrong with that?
> > >
> > > Karsten
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/8/08 9:21 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, a bunch of people drive to a bike race.... And a car company gets
> > > > carbon offsets for providing prize money?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe someone brighter than me can explain how prize money for a bike
> > > > race translates into offsetting carbon emissions.
> > > >
> > > > Susan
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Susan Otcenas
> > > > TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> > > > http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> > > > 1-877-310-4592
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Jim Anderson
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:54 AM
> > > > To: obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org; Candi Murray/Oregon
> > > > Bicycle Racing Assn; OREGON BICYCLE RACING ASSOCIATION; Dave
> > > > Aldersebaes
> > > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
> > > >
> > > > Reposting for Jeff.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yep, $700 cash money.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July
> > > > series will have an additional $700 on the line.
> > > >
> > > > The breakdown will be as follows:
> > > >
> > > > *Individual* SERIES winner take all for each category as follows.
> > > >
> > > > Cat 4/5 - $100
> > > > Cat 3/4 - $200
> > > > Cat 1/2 - $300
> > > >
> > > > *Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
> > > > comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a
> > > > given team. Start practicing your lead-outs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > OBRA mailing list
> > > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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>


Joe Cipale

2008-07-08

I just have a fundamental probelm with the concept of 'purchasing' Carbon Offsets. It just smacks of environmental as well as Corporate hypocrisy...

gschreckchat wrote:

> It promotes bike racing on an automobile racing track. Does that not pollute less than an auto race?
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Susan Otcenas"
>
> > Yes, I know some people ride there. Many other drive. But, that's not
> > the point. Carbon offsets are about carbon emitters "purchasing" the
> > right to pollute. Sellers of offsets are generate them from
> > emissions-reducing projects, like a wind farm. The sale of offsets are
> > supposed to provide funds to encourage those emissions-reducing
> > industries to thrive.
> >
> > A bike race is not a carbon reducing industry that should be benefitting
> > from funds for carbon offsets. That's what's wrong with it.
> >
> > Susan
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Susan Otcenas
> > TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> > http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> > 1-877-310-4592
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hagenkt@mac.com [mailto:hagenkt@mac.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:38 AM
> > To: Susan Otcenas; obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
> >
> > Tons of people ride to PIR. Those of us that can't probably have
> > legitimate reasons. I think this is what providing corporations the
> > opportunity to buy carbon offsets is all about. Before this, we didn't
> > have prize money, now we do. What's wrong with that?
> >
> > Karsten
> >
> >
> > On 7/8/08 9:21 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:
> >
> > > So, a bunch of people drive to a bike race.... And a car company gets
> > > carbon offsets for providing prize money?
> > >
> > > Maybe someone brighter than me can explain how prize money for a bike
> > > race translates into offsetting carbon emissions.
> > >
> > > Susan
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > Susan Otcenas
> > > TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> > > http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> > > 1-877-310-4592
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Jim Anderson
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:54 AM
> > > To: obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org; Candi Murray/Oregon
> > > Bicycle Racing Assn; OREGON BICYCLE RACING ASSOCIATION; Dave
> > > Aldersebaes
> > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
> > >
> > > Reposting for Jeff.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yep, $700 cash money.
> > >
> > > Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July
> > > series will have an additional $700 on the line.
> > >
> > > The breakdown will be as follows:
> > >
> > > *Individual* SERIES winner take all for each category as follows.
> > >
> > > Cat 4/5 - $100
> > > Cat 3/4 - $200
> > > Cat 1/2 - $300
> > >
> > > *Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
> > > comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a
> > > given team. Start practicing your lead-outs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OBRA mailing list
> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org


gschreckchat@comcast.net

2008-07-08

It promotes bike racing on an automobile racing track. Does that not pollute less than an auto race?

--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Susan Otcenas"

> Yes, I know some people ride there. Many other drive. But, that's not
> the point. Carbon offsets are about carbon emitters "purchasing" the
> right to pollute. Sellers of offsets are generate them from
> emissions-reducing projects, like a wind farm. The sale of offsets are
> supposed to provide funds to encourage those emissions-reducing
> industries to thrive.
>
> A bike race is not a carbon reducing industry that should be benefitting
> from funds for carbon offsets. That's what's wrong with it.
>
> Susan
> --------------------------------------------
> Susan Otcenas
> TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> 1-877-310-4592
> --------------------------------------------
> Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> --------------------------------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hagenkt@mac.com [mailto:hagenkt@mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:38 AM
> To: Susan Otcenas; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
>
> Tons of people ride to PIR. Those of us that can't probably have
> legitimate reasons. I think this is what providing corporations the
> opportunity to buy carbon offsets is all about. Before this, we didn't
> have prize money, now we do. What's wrong with that?
>
> Karsten
>
>
> On 7/8/08 9:21 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:
>
> > So, a bunch of people drive to a bike race.... And a car company gets
> > carbon offsets for providing prize money?
> >
> > Maybe someone brighter than me can explain how prize money for a bike
> > race translates into offsetting carbon emissions.
> >
> > Susan
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Susan Otcenas
> > TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> > http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> > 1-877-310-4592
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> > On Behalf Of Jim Anderson
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:54 AM
> > To: obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org; Candi Murray/Oregon
> > Bicycle Racing Assn; OREGON BICYCLE RACING ASSOCIATION; Dave
> > Aldersebaes
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
> >
> > Reposting for Jeff.....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep, $700 cash money.
> >
> > Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July
> > series will have an additional $700 on the line.
> >
> > The breakdown will be as follows:
> >
> > *Individual* SERIES winner take all for each category as follows.
> >
> > Cat 4/5 - $100
> > Cat 3/4 - $200
> > Cat 1/2 - $300
> >
> > *Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
> > comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a
> > given team. Start practicing your lead-outs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
>
>
>
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Susan Otcenas

2008-07-08

Yes, I know some people ride there. Many other drive. But, that's not
the point. Carbon offsets are about carbon emitters "purchasing" the
right to pollute. Sellers of offsets are generate them from
emissions-reducing projects, like a wind farm. The sale of offsets are
supposed to provide funds to encourage those emissions-reducing
industries to thrive.

A bike race is not a carbon reducing industry that should be benefitting
from funds for carbon offsets. That's what's wrong with it.

Susan
--------------------------------------------
Susan Otcenas
TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
1-877-310-4592
--------------------------------------------
Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: hagenkt@mac.com [mailto:hagenkt@mac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:38 AM
To: Susan Otcenas; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!

Tons of people ride to PIR. Those of us that can't probably have
legitimate reasons. I think this is what providing corporations the
opportunity to buy carbon offsets is all about. Before this, we didn't
have prize money, now we do. What's wrong with that?

Karsten

On 7/8/08 9:21 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:

> So, a bunch of people drive to a bike race.... And a car company gets
> carbon offsets for providing prize money?
>
> Maybe someone brighter than me can explain how prize money for a bike
> race translates into offsetting carbon emissions.
>
> Susan
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Susan Otcenas
> TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> 1-877-310-4592
> --------------------------------------------
> Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> --------------------------------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:54 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org; Candi Murray/Oregon
> Bicycle Racing Assn; OREGON BICYCLE RACING ASSOCIATION; Dave
> Aldersebaes
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
>
> Reposting for Jeff.....
>
>
>
>
> Yep, $700 cash money.
>
> Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July
> series will have an additional $700 on the line.
>
> The breakdown will be as follows:
>
> *Individual* SERIES winner take all for each category as follows.
>
> Cat 4/5 - $100
> Cat 3/4 - $200
> Cat 1/2 - $300
>
> *Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
> comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a
> given team. Start practicing your lead-outs.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org


Karsten Hagen

2008-07-08

Tons of people ride to PIR. Those of us that can't probably have legitimate
reasons. I think this is what providing corporations the opportunity to buy
carbon offsets is all about. Before this, we didn't have prize money, now we
do. What's wrong with that?

Karsten

On 7/8/08 9:21 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:

> So, a bunch of people drive to a bike race.... And a car company gets
> carbon offsets for providing prize money?
>
> Maybe someone brighter than me can explain how prize money for a bike
> race translates into offsetting carbon emissions.
>
> Susan
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Susan Otcenas
> TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> 1-877-310-4592
> --------------------------------------------
> Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> --------------------------------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Jim Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:54 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org; Candi Murray/Oregon
> Bicycle Racing Assn; OREGON BICYCLE RACING ASSOCIATION; Dave Aldersebaes
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
>
> Reposting for Jeff.....
>
>
>
>
> Yep, $700 cash money.
>
> Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July series
> will have an additional $700 on the line.
>
> The breakdown will be as follows:
>
> *Individual* SERIES winner take all for each category as follows.
>
> Cat 4/5 - $100
> Cat 3/4 - $200
> Cat 1/2 - $300
>
> *Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
> comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a
> given team. Start practicing your lead-outs.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org


Susan Otcenas

2008-07-08

So, a bunch of people drive to a bike race.... And a car company gets
carbon offsets for providing prize money?

Maybe someone brighter than me can explain how prize money for a bike
race translates into offsetting carbon emissions.

Susan

--------------------------------------------
Susan Otcenas
TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
1-877-310-4592
--------------------------------------------
Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:54 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org; Candi Murray/Oregon
Bicycle Racing Assn; OREGON BICYCLE RACING ASSOCIATION; Dave Aldersebaes
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!

Reposting for Jeff.....

Yep, $700 cash money.

Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July series
will have an additional $700 on the line.

The breakdown will be as follows:

*Individual* SERIES winner take all for each category as follows.

Cat 4/5 - $100
Cat 3/4 - $200
Cat 1/2 - $300

*Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a
given team. Start practicing your lead-outs.


Jim Anderson

2008-07-08

Reposting for Jeff.....

Yep, $700 cash money.

Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July series
will have an additional $700 on the line.

The breakdown will be as follows:

*Individual* SERIES winner take all for each category as follows.

Cat 4/5 - $100
Cat 3/4 - $200
Cat 1/2 - $300

*Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a given
team. Start practicing your lead-outs.


Jeff Mitchem

2008-06-09

Yep, $700 cash money.

Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July series
will have an additional $700 on the line.

The breakdown will be as follows:

*Individual* series winner take all for each category as follows.

Cat 4/5 - $100
Cat 3/4 - $200
Cat 1/2 - $300

*Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a given
team. Start practicing your lead-outs.