Tubeless clinchers - fad or "here to stay"?

gschreckchat@comcast.net

2008-07-08

Actually, I still think their normal clinchers are terrible. They ride well, but seem prone to flat easily (I am sure there are others who will disagree). I have found the tubeless are a bit thicker and flat less easily, plus you can put sealant in them. Also, no pinch flats which for those of us eho are a bit heavier is nice.

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George Schreck
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(503) 502-0425

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From: "Harry Phinney"

I?m not yet convinced. If I want to run 90 PSI, I simply stop pumping at 90 PSI. If I were doing this and having pinch flats (unlikely IME at <165 lb), I?d run a 25 mm tire (which I do on the back in training anyway). Perhaps the tubeless tires have less rolling resistance, but you can also get lower rolling resistance by using a wider tire (e.g. 25 mm) of equal casing and tread thickness. The main drawback of using such a wider tire is that it won?t accept as much pressure as the narrower tire, but lower pressure is one of the claimed advantages of tubeless. Does anybody have (pointers to) rolling resistance data for the tubeless vs tube question? Finally, I must admit that I am prejudiced against Hutchinson due to the wretched quality of their tires that were prevalent on the market in the ?70s.

Harry Phinney


Harry Phinney

2008-07-08

I'm not yet convinced. If I want to run 90 PSI, I simply stop pumping at 90
PSI. If I were doing this and having pinch flats (unlikely IME at <165 lb),
I'd run a 25 mm tire (which I do on the back in training anyway). Perhaps
the tubeless tires have less rolling resistance, but you can also get lower
rolling resistance by using a wider tire (e.g. 25 mm) of equal casing and
tread thickness. The main drawback of using such a wider tire is that it
won't accept as much pressure as the narrower tire, but lower pressure is
one of the claimed advantages of tubeless. Does anybody have (pointers to)
rolling resistance data for the tubeless vs tube question? Finally, I must
admit that I am prejudiced against Hutchinson due to the wretched quality of
their tires that were prevalent on the market in the '70s.

Harry Phinney


gschreckchat@comcast.net

2008-07-08

I weigh 178 pounds, and run the tires at 90 pounds. They do not feel squishy at all. They corner well and feel smooth and fast. Also, nothing like it on chip seal roads. Supposedly, they have far less rolling resistance than regular tires due to the lack of a tube.

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George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Dan H"

> I don't get the lower pressure. They run at 80-90 psi, right? I'm
> comfortable at 120-130 on the road. 90 would feel squishy/squirmy to me
> especially cornering hard. I guess if you weigh 100 lbs they would be fine.
> Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I still like my tubulars.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "greg kimsey"
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> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:38 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless clinchers - fad or "here to stay"?
>
>
> > I'm trying to decide between an upper end Mavic wheelset (Kysrium SL3 or
> > SL08)and the Dura Ace tubeless clincher wheelset.
> >
> > Any thoughts on the benefits/tradeoffs of these would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > -Greg
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T. Kenji Sugahara

2008-07-07

On my 2nd set of DA wheels.

I ride mine at 90 psi- noticeable difference. With regular clinchers
I ride about 1.5 hours before my back starts to hurt. On the tubeless
I can go over 4+ hours with no problem. (This was tested using same
wheels, same bike, just different tires) Great traction, low rolling
resistance- not squishy.

The Hutchinson tires are ok. They last decently long but I'm really
looking forward to trying the IRC tubeless hard compound tires. (My
brother is trying to hunt some down in Japan)

Bonus- If I get a small puncture with the tubeless, I can seal it with
superglue- inflate, then go.

Issues- they can be a pain to get on and off. (I'm used to it now so
I've figured out how to mount them pretty easily)

T. Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
503-302-4935

On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, Dan H wrote:

> I don't get the lower pressure. They run at 80-90 psi, right? I'm
> comfortable at 120-130 on the road. 90 would feel squishy/squirmy to
> me
> especially cornering hard. I guess if you weigh 100 lbs they would
> be fine.
> Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I still like my tubulars.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "greg kimsey"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:38 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless clinchers - fad or "here to stay"?
>
>
>> I'm trying to decide between an upper end Mavic wheelset (Kysrium
>> SL3 or
>> SL08)and the Dura Ace tubeless clincher wheelset.
>>
>> Any thoughts on the benefits/tradeoffs of these would be greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> -Greg
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Dan H

2008-07-07

I don't get the lower pressure. They run at 80-90 psi, right? I'm
comfortable at 120-130 on the road. 90 would feel squishy/squirmy to me
especially cornering hard. I guess if you weigh 100 lbs they would be fine.
Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I still like my tubulars.

----- Original Message -----
From: "greg kimsey"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:38 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubeless clinchers - fad or "here to stay"?

> I'm trying to decide between an upper end Mavic wheelset (Kysrium SL3 or
> SL08)and the Dura Ace tubeless clincher wheelset.
>
> Any thoughts on the benefits/tradeoffs of these would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> -Greg
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
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greg kimsey

2008-07-07

I'm trying to decide between an upper end Mavic wheelset (Kysrium SL3 or SL08)and the Dura Ace tubeless clincher wheelset.

Any thoughts on the benefits/tradeoffs of these would be greatly appreciated.

-Greg