Track points race, sprints while lapping

Mike Murray

2008-07-30

The applicable rule is:

Gaining Laps.

(a) A rider shall be considered to have lapped the main group upon reaching
a position to take shelter behind the main group. (A rider or group of
riders shall be considered to have taken shelter behind the main group when
the distance between the last rider in the main group and the first rider of
the overtaking group is less than 5 meters.)

(b) Riders who break away continue to score points until they have lapped
the main group. Once they have lapped the main group, they must sprint with
this group to score additional points, even if they catch the group during a
sprint lap.

(c) If the riders are strung out so that no main group exists, the Chief
Referee shall determine when a rider or group of riders has passed enough
riders to be credited with having gained a lap.

(d)Riders attempting to gain a lap may not accept assistance from riders who
have lost contact with the back of the field. Riders attempting to gain a
lap may work together, but no sacrifice of a rider's position to the
advantage of another rider shall be allowed [loss of points or laps that
have been illegally gained].

Losing Laps.

(a) Riders who lose laps may sprint for points only after being absorbed by
the main group prior to the beginning of the sprint lap. A rider may be
considered to be absorbed when caught by the lead rider in the main group.
Riders may win points regardless of how many laps they have lost.

(b)A rider who gains a lap and then loses contact does not lose the lap
until absorbed by the main group.

(c) Riders who fall two or more laps behind and are considered to be out of
contention may be withdrawn at the discretion of the Chief Referee.


So .. if you get the bell when you are less more than 5 meters behind the
field, cross the line more than 5 meters behind and then catch the field and
pass everyone the next lap (after they have gotten the bell) you will get 5
points for first, 3 points for second as well as 20 points for the lap, i.e.
28 points. If you catch the field after the bell but before the finish line
you get the 20 points for the lap but you need to sprint against the whole
field for any more points. I have seen the officials award points for both
first and another place when the lap catch occurs after the bell but before
the finish. This is technically incorrect.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:57 AM
To: OBRA list
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Track points race, sprints while lapping

I have a question about points racing on the track. If a rider is off the
front, in the process of lapping the field, when are the ineligible to take
sprints.
For example:
Rider off the front, lapping the field, gets the bell for the 5 lap sprint,
then completes lapping the field before coming to the line with 5 to go.
Does the rider get the points for winning the sprint? Or does the rider need
to remain solo until after the line with 5 to go?

Thanks,

--
Rob Anderson
riznob@gmail.com


Robert Anderson

2008-07-30

OK. Thanks for the info.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Candi Murray wrote:

> Rob
> You cannot get the points and the lap at the same time. It would make sense
> to get the points, then get the lap.
> Candi
>
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> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark J. Ginsberg
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:17 PM
> *To:* Robert Anderson; OBRA list
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Track points race, sprints while lapping
>
> you are the leader and eligible for points until you take pace and shelter
> from the filed you are catching.
>
> it is possible to hang off the back, get the bell, win the 1st place
> points, then catch the filed and still fight for 2nd place too!
>
> so to answer your question, if you have joined the field the front of the
> field is the front of the race.
>
> Mark Ginsberg
>
> *Robert Anderson * wrote:
>
> I have a question about points racing on the track. If a rider is off the
> front, in the process of lapping the field, when are the ineligible to take
> sprints.
> For example:
> Rider off the front, lapping the field, gets the bell for the 5 lap sprint,
> then completes lapping the field before coming to the line with 5 to go.
> Does the rider get the points for winning the sprint? Or does the rider need
> to remain solo until after the line with 5 to go?
>
> Thanks,
>
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> Rob Anderson
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Candi Murray

2008-07-30

Rob
You cannot get the points and the lap at the same time. It would make sense
to get the points, then get the lap.
Candi

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Robert Anderson; OBRA list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Track points race, sprints while lapping

you are the leader and eligible for points until you take pace and shelter
from the filed you are catching.

it is possible to hang off the back, get the bell, win the 1st place points,
then catch the filed and still fight for 2nd place too!

so to answer your question, if you have joined the field the front of the
field is the front of the race.

Mark Ginsberg

Robert Anderson wrote:

I have a question about points racing on the track. If a rider is off the
front, in the process of lapping the field, when are the ineligible to take
sprints.
For example:
Rider off the front, lapping the field, gets the bell for the 5 lap sprint,
then completes lapping the field before coming to the line with 5 to go.
Does the rider get the points for winning the sprint? Or does the rider need
to remain solo until after the line with 5 to go?

Thanks,

--
Rob Anderson
riznob@gmail.com

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Mark J. Ginsberg

2008-07-30

you are the leader and eligible for points until you take pace and shelter from the filed you are catching.

it is possible to hang off the back, get the bell, win the 1st place points, then catch the filed and still fight for 2nd place too!

so to answer your question, if you have joined the field the front of the field is the front of the race.

Mark Ginsberg

Robert Anderson wrote: I have a question about points racing on the track. If a rider is off the front, in the process of lapping the field, when are the ineligible to take sprints.
For example:
Rider off the front, lapping the field, gets the bell for the 5 lap sprint, then completes lapping the field before coming to the line with 5 to go. Does the rider get the points for winning the sprint? Or does the rider need to remain solo until after the line with 5 to go?

Thanks,

--
Rob Anderson
riznob@gmail.com

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Robert Anderson

2008-07-30

I have a question about points racing on the track. If a rider is off the
front, in the process of lapping the field, when are the ineligible to take
sprints.
For example:
Rider off the front, lapping the field, gets the bell for the 5 lap sprint,
then completes lapping the field before coming to the line with 5 to go.
Does the rider get the points for winning the sprint? Or does the rider need
to remain solo until after the line with 5 to go?

Thanks,

--
Rob Anderson
riznob@gmail.com