OBRA: OBRA Chat: Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

hrdtduck

2008-08-11

I can't agree.I have crank brother pedals on all my bikes, mountain (Acids &
Candies), commuter (Quattros) racing (Quattros again)..since.gosh when Egg
Beaters first came out (what 7 years+ ago?).I have only experienced one
failure, back when the egg beaters first came out I had a pair on my
mountain bike the retaining nut came off and the pedal body slid off the
spindle, and then I was able to fix it. (nut was still inside the cap) I
have had to rebuild one pair of Candies after a couple of hard mountain bike
seasons..I highly recommend them to anyone, perhaps not the best in the
world but for ease of use and low weight.unbeatable.

Howard

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Ben Fischler
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:16 PM
To: craig austin
Cc: OBRA list list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

Crank Bros pedals have a well known bearing failure issue. If you ride them
hard you will very likely be replacing the bearings with reglularity. Some
people are ok with that, others not so much.

-ben.fischler@gmail.com-

On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:48 PM, "craig austin"
wrote:

Having a pedal come apart can be one of the most dangerous failures on a
bike. And there's something about the design of those pedals that's not
right; I use ATACs, and I'm sure they've broken at some point, somewhere,
but I've never even heard of that. On the other hand, I've seen firsthand at
least a dozen broken Crank Brothers pedals just at Oregon 'cross races. I've
seen candy and eggbeater pedals lying on the course, and more than a few
racers finishing with only the spindle still attached. This is purely based
on observation, but the failure rate of crank brothers pedals seems to be
much higher than for any other pedals and most other parts in general (well,
maybe SRM head unit mounting brackets fail at a higher rate). If I had some,
I'd want to write a letter too.

Craig

2008/8/11 Ron and Dorothy Strasser

I agree with you Mike. He should feel sending the information to the
company is the right thing. It gives them the knowledge regarding their
product and if they are ethical they will give an honest reply. It has
nothing to do with new product, but honesty. If they redesign and the
product costs more, but lasts longer... that is good for most users.

I know Brian and he has NO ill intentions on this company.

I do know that I have abused my Time ATAC pedals as much as anyone has their
eggbeaters and all I have to do is spray them off and start the next ride.
Eggbeaters are thus not in my future. As heavy as my Tmes are (compared to
eggbeaters) my pedals have never broken in any way shape or form. I am sure
rider feedback helped with the design of the ATACs.

So... good feedback to Crank Bros. just helps them make there pedal design
that much better.

ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Murray

To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:51 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

One would think that the manufacturer might welcome feedback on common
failure modes of their product so that they can consider a redesign to
improve the product ... or planned failure to increase sales. Public
discussion of failures and notification of the vendor and manufacturer can
only help to improve the process by encouraging redesign and discouraging
sales of failure prone designs. Liability issues, in this thread at least,
seem to be brought up mostly by those suggesting that it is not needed. The
liability system. although seriously flawed, is one of the things that
controls the release of defective products to the market. Would you prefer
that this be done more by regulation?

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of David Oliphant
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 08:53 AM
To: david baker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

I agree with you David.

Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap punitive
damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so far I found 6
people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me a break! Whah, whah
whah....life is so unfair.

I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to sue
someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get something for
free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time. I'm too busy earning a
living for myself and my family.

2008/8/7 david baker

What is your point here?

We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It sounds
to me like you are considering a lawsuit.

I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Engelen

To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank Brothers
Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own fault due.
I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask if this is
something that we need to be aware of.

If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an
email offline. I'll add you to our total.

Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.

Thanks,

Brian Engelen

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Ben Fischler

2008-08-11

Crank Bros pedals have a well known bearing failure issue. If you
ride them hard you will very likely be replacing the bearings with
reglularity. Some people are ok with that, others not so much.

-ben.fischler@gmail.com-

On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:48 PM, "craig austin"
wrote:

> Having a pedal come apart can be one of the most dangerous failures
> on a bike. And there's something about the design of those pedals
> that's not right; I use ATACs, and I'm sure they've broken at some
> point, somewhere, but I've never even heard of that. On the other
> hand, I've seen firsthand at least a dozen broken Crank Brothers
> pedals just at Oregon 'cross races. I've seen candy and eggbeater
> pedals lying on the course, and more than a few racers finishing
> with only the spindle still attached. This is purely based on
> observation, but the failure rate of crank brothers pedals seems to
> be much higher than for any other pedals and most other parts in
> general (well, maybe SRM head unit mounting brackets fail at a
> higher rate). If I had some, I'd want to write a letter too.
>
> Craig
>
> 2008/8/11 Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> I agree with you Mike. He should feel sending the information to
> the company is the right thing. It gives them the knowledge
> regarding their product and if they are ethical they will give an
> honest reply. It has nothing to do with new product, but honesty.
> If they redesign and the product costs more, but lasts longer...
> that is good for most users.
> I know Brian and he has NO ill intentions on this company.
> I do know that I have abused my Time ATAC pedals as much as anyone
> has their eggbeaters and all I have to do is spray them off and
> start the next ride. Eggbeaters are thus not in my future. As heavy
> as my Tmes are (compared to eggbeaters) my pedals have never broken
> in any way shape or form. I am sure rider feedback helped with the
> design of the ATACs.
> So... good feedback to Crank Bros. just helps them make there pedal
> design that much better.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Murray
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>
> One would think that the manufacturer might welcome feedback on
> common failure modes of their product so that they can consider a
> redesign to improve the product ... or planned failure to increase
> sales. Public discussion of failures and notification of the vendor
> and manufacturer can only help to improve the process by encouraging
> redesign and discouraging sales of failure prone designs. Liability
> issues, in this thread at least, seem to be brought up mostly by
> those suggesting that it is not needed. The liability system.
> although seriously flawed, is one of the things that controls the
> release of defective products to the market. Would you prefer that
> this be done more by regulation?
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of David Oliphant
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 08:53 AM
> To: david baker
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>
> I agree with you David.
>
> Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap
> punitive damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so
> far I found 6 people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me
> a break! Whah, whah whah....life is so unfair.
>
> I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to
> sue someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get
> something for free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time.
> I'm too busy earning a living for myself and my family.
>
> 2008/8/7 david baker
> What is your point here?
> We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It
> sounds to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
> I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Engelen
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>
> So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank
> Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was
> our own fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's
> support and ask if this is something that we need to be aware of.
>
>
>
> If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me
> an email offline. I'll add you to our total.
>
>
>
> Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brian Engelen
>
>
>
>
>
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craig austin

2008-08-11

Having a pedal come apart can be one of the most dangerous failures on a
bike. And there's something about the design of those pedals that's not
right; I use ATACs, and I'm sure they've broken at some point, somewhere,
but I've never even heard of that. On the other hand, I've seen firsthand at
least a dozen broken Crank Brothers pedals just at Oregon 'cross races. I've
seen candy and eggbeater pedals lying on the course, and more than a few
racers finishing with only the spindle still attached. This is purely based
on observation, but the failure rate of crank brothers pedals seems to be
much higher than for any other pedals and most other parts in general (well,
maybe SRM head unit mounting brackets fail at a higher rate). If I had some,
I'd want to write a letter too.

Craig

2008/8/11 Ron and Dorothy Strasser

> I agree with you Mike. He should feel sending the information to the
> company is the right thing. It gives them the knowledge regarding their
> product and if they are ethical they will give an honest reply. It has
> nothing to do with new product, but honesty. If they redesign and the
> product costs more, but lasts longer... that is good for most users.
> I know Brian and he has NO ill intentions on this company.
> I do know that I have abused my Time ATAC pedals as much as anyone has
> their eggbeaters and all I have to do is spray them off and start the next
> ride. Eggbeaters are thus not in my future. As heavy as my Tmes are
> (compared to eggbeaters) my pedals have never broken in any way shape or
> form. I am sure rider feedback helped with the design of the ATACs.
> So... good feedback to Crank Bros. just helps them make there pedal design
> that much better.
> ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mike Murray
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:51 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>
> One would think that the manufacturer might welcome feedback on common
> failure modes of their product so that they can consider a redesign to
> improve the product ... or planned failure to increase sales. Public
> discussion of failures and notification of the vendor and manufacturer can
> only help to improve the process by encouraging redesign and discouraging
> sales of failure prone designs. Liability issues, in this thread at least,
> seem to be brought up mostly by those suggesting that it is not needed. The
> liability system. although seriously flawed, is one of the things that
> controls the release of defective products to the market. Would you prefer
> that this be done more by regulation?
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *David Oliphant
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 08:53 AM
> *To:* david baker
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>
> I agree with you David.
>
> Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap punitive
> damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so far I found 6
> people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me a break! Whah, whah
> whah....life is so unfair.
>
> I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to sue
> someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get something for
> free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time. I'm too busy earning a
> living for myself and my family.
>
> 2008/8/7 david baker
>
>> What is your point here?
>> We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It sounds
>> to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
>> I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Brian Engelen
>> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
>> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>>
>> So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank
>> Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own
>> fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask
>> if this is something that we need to be aware of.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an
>> email offline. I'll add you to our total.
>>
>>
>>
>> Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian Engelen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2008-08-11

MessageI agree with you Mike. He should feel sending the information to the company is the right thing. It gives them the knowledge regarding their product and if they are ethical they will give an honest reply. It has nothing to do with new product, but honesty. If they redesign and the product costs more, but lasts longer... that is good for most users.
I know Brian and he has NO ill intentions on this company.
I do know that I have abused my Time ATAC pedals as much as anyone has their eggbeaters and all I have to do is spray them off and start the next ride. Eggbeaters are thus not in my future. As heavy as my Tmes are (compared to eggbeaters) my pedals have never broken in any way shape or form. I am sure rider feedback helped with the design of the ATACs.
So... good feedback to Crank Bros. just helps them make there pedal design that much better.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Murray
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

One would think that the manufacturer might welcome feedback on common failure modes of their product so that they can consider a redesign to improve the product ... or planned failure to increase sales. Public discussion of failures and notification of the vendor and manufacturer can only help to improve the process by encouraging redesign and discouraging sales of failure prone designs. Liability issues, in this thread at least, seem to be brought up mostly by those suggesting that it is not needed. The liability system. although seriously flawed, is one of the things that controls the release of defective products to the market. Would you prefer that this be done more by regulation?
Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of David Oliphant
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 08:53 AM
To: david baker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

I agree with you David.

Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap punitive damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so far I found 6 people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me a break! Whah, whah whah....life is so unfair.

I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to sue someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get something for free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time. I'm too busy earning a living for myself and my family.

2008/8/7 david baker

What is your point here?
We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It sounds to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Engelen
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask if this is something that we need to be aware of.

If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an email offline. I'll add you to our total.

Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.

Thanks,

Brian Engelen

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Brady Brady

2008-08-07

> Curious: does anyone else out there rebuild their eggbeaters? I only
> have the cheap (~$90) ones, have 5 pair and have never had a
> problem... ride them hard all year, in horrible weather,
> wet/dry/dust/mud/grit and rebuild them whenever they start to feel a
> little loose. I think the kits are about $7. After the rebuild, they
> really do feel as solid as new.
>
> FWIW, to clarify my earlier comment: intent is *everything*. I don't
> in any way advocate lawsuits unless there has been a coverup, or a
> blatant choice to put $$ above human life -- in these instances, a
> line has been crossed that none of us wants crossed, and unfortunately
> the only way to motivate some people to "do the right thing" is to
> make it overly painful for them to "do the wrong thing." Certainly not
> optimal, but it is what it is.
>
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:22 AM, David Oliphant wrote:
>
>> Good one. ha,ha
>>
>> 2008/8/7 ENGELMANN Michael
>>> but clearly not too busy to spend time on internet message boards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>>> On Behalf Of David Oliphant
>>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:53 AM
>>> To: david baker
>>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you David.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap
>>> punitive damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so
>>> far I found 6 people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me
>>> a break! Whah, whah whah....life is so unfair.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to
>>> sue someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get
>>> something for free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time.
>>> I'm too busy earning a living for myself and my family.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/8/7 david baker
>>>> What is your point here?
>>>>
>>>> We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It
>>>> sounds to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
>>>>
>>>> I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish
>>>> that.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Brian Engelen
>>>>>
>>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their
>>>>> Crank Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel
>>>>> it was our own fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank
>>>>> Brother's support and ask if this is something that we need to be
>>>>> aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send
>>>>> me an email offline. I'll add you to our total.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Engelen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Brady Brady

2008-08-07

Curious: does anyone else out there rebuild their eggbeaters? I only
have the cheap (~$90) ones, have 5 pair and have never had a problem...
ride them hard all year, in horrible weather, wet/dry/dust/mud/grit and
rebuild them whenever they start to feel a little loose. I think the
kits are about $7. After the rebuild, they really do feel as solid as
new.

FWIW, to clarify my earlier comment: intent is *everything*. I don't in
any way advocate lawsuits unless there has been a coverup, or a blatant
choice to put $$ above human life -- in these instances, a line has
been crossed that none of us wants crossed, and unfortunately the only
way to motivate some people to "do the right thing" is to make it
overly painful for them to "do the wrong thing." Certainly not optimal,
but it is what it is.

On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:22 AM, David Oliphant wrote:

> Good one. ha,ha
>
> 2008/8/7 ENGELMANN Michael
>> but clearly not too busy to spend time on internet message boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>> On Behalf Of David Oliphant
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:53 AM
>> To: david baker
>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with you David.
>>
>>
>>
>> Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap
>> punitive damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so
>> far I found 6 people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me
>> a break! Whah, whah whah....life is so unfair.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to
>> sue someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get
>> something for free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time.
>> I'm too busy earning a living for myself and my family.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/8/7 david baker
>>> What is your point here?
>>>
>>> We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It
>>> sounds to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
>>>
>>> I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Brian Engelen
>>>>
>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank
>>>> Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was
>>>> our own fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's
>>>> support and ask if this is something that we need to be aware of.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send
>>>> me an email offline. I'll add you to our total.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian Engelen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Mike Murray

2008-08-07

One would think that the manufacturer might welcome feedback on common
failure modes of their product so that they can consider a redesign to
improve the product ... or planned failure to increase sales. Public
discussion of failures and notification of the vendor and manufacturer can
only help to improve the process by encouraging redesign and discouraging
sales of failure prone designs. Liability issues, in this thread at least,
seem to be brought up mostly by those suggesting that it is not needed. The
liability system. although seriously flawed, is one of the things that
controls the release of defective products to the market. Would you prefer
that this be done more by regulation?

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of David Oliphant
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 08:53 AM
To: david baker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

I agree with you David.

Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap punitive
damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so far I found 6
people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me a break! Whah, whah
whah....life is so unfair.

I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to sue
someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get something for
free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time. I'm too busy earning a
living for myself and my family.

2008/8/7 david baker

What is your point here?
We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It sounds
to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Engelen
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank Brothers
Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own fault due.
I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask if this is
something that we need to be aware of.

If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an
email offline. I'll add you to our total.

Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.

Thanks,

Brian Engelen

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Erik Voldengen

2008-08-07

No offense to anyone, but if the problem is the pedal comes off the
spindle, that's because the securing bolt/screw came loose and fell
out.

Those bolts come with thread-lock on them, and I would be willing to
bet anyone who's lost a pedal off the spindle did so after they'd
overhauled the pedals and didn't re-apply thread-lock.

So if you crack open those pedals to lube them up, you've got to keep
an eye on the bolts, or use thread lock if you're not gonna monitor it
regularly.

For what it's worth, I've had my stainless steel eggbeaters for at
least five years now and have had no trouble, but I learned to be
mindful of the bolts until I splurged the $5 and bought some thread
lock.

There's my 2 cents...

-Erik

David Oliphant

2008-08-07

Good one. ha,ha

2008/8/7 ENGELMANN Michael

> but clearly not too busy to spend time on internet message boards
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *David Oliphant
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:53 AM
> *To:* david baker
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>
>
>
> I agree with you David.
>
>
>
> Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap punitive
> damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so far I found 6
> people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me a break! Whah, whah
> whah....life is so unfair.
>
>
>
> I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to sue
> someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get something for
> free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time. I'm too busy earning a
> living for myself and my family.
>
>
>
> 2008/8/7 david baker
>
> What is your point here?
>
> We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It sounds
> to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
>
> I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Brian Engelen
>
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
>
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>
>
>
> So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank
> Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own
> fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask
> if this is something that we need to be aware of.
>
>
>
> If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an
> email offline. I'll add you to our total.
>
>
>
> Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brian Engelen
>
>
>
>
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>
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masessa@charter.net

2008-08-07

I have and have used numerous pairs of Eggbeaters. Some top end , others not. Talk to a rep (which I have) and they will tell you up front that the cheaper Eggbeaters will NOT last as long or be as durable as the higher quality ones. No surprise here. You get what you pay for. Everything will eventually wear out.
I agree with David...what's the point here? Are you just trying to get a free pair of pedals?

---- david baker wrote:
> What is your point here?
> We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It sounds to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
> I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Engelen
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>
>
> So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask if this is something that we need to be aware of.
>
>
>
> If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an email offline. I'll add you to our total.
>
>
>
> Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brian Engelen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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ENGELMANN Michael

2008-08-07

... but clearly not too busy to spend time on internet message boards...

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of David Oliphant
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:53 AM
To: david baker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

I agree with you David.

Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap punitive
damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so far I found 6
people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me a break! Whah,
whah whah....life is so unfair.

I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to sue
someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get something for
free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time. I'm too busy
earning a living for myself and my family.

2008/8/7 david baker

What is your point here?

We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening,
right?It sounds to me like you are considering a lawsuit.

I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish
that.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Engelen

To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had
their Crank Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel
it was our own fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank
Brother's support and ask if this is something that we need to be aware
of.

If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers,
please send me an email offline. I'll add you to our total.

Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.

Thanks,

Brian Engelen

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David Oliphant

2008-08-07

I agree with you David.

Between the comment...'a good argument for why we shouldn't cap punitive
damages on wrongful-injury lawsuits'...to the comment 'so far I found 6
people myself...I'm going to write a letter'...give me a break! Whah, whah
whah....life is so unfair.

I wish I could spend time this morning trying to find a way a way to sue
someone and win the lottery so I don't have to work or get something for
free from a manufacturer, but I don't have the time. I'm too busy earning a
living for myself and my family.

2008/8/7 david baker

> What is your point here?
> We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It sounds
> to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
> I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brian Engelen
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter
>
> So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank
> Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own
> fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask
> if this is something that we need to be aware of.
>
>
>
> If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an
> email offline. I'll add you to our total.
>
>
>
> Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brian Engelen
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Brian Engelen

2008-08-07

I wasn't even close to thinking lawsuit. I'm just surprised that others
have had the same problem. I really like these pedals (I have 5 sets) and I
think Crank Brothers should be alerted to the number of people who have
experienced this problem. Maybe it's not a problem on the newer pedals.
I'd like to know.

Brian

_____

From: david baker [mailto:dirtsurf@ykwc.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:38 AM
To: Brian Engelen; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

What is your point here?

We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It sounds
to me like you are considering a lawsuit.

I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Engelen

To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank Brothers
Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own fault due.
I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask if this is
something that we need to be aware of.

If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an
email offline. I'll add you to our total.

Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.

Thanks,

Brian Engelen

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david baker

2008-08-07

What is your point here?
We know they occasionally fail. It's not life threatening, right?It sounds to me like you are considering a lawsuit.
I like my eggbeaters light and cheap. Lawsuits don't accomplish that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Engelen
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:12 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Crank Brothers Pedal Letter

So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank Brothers Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own fault due. I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask if this is something that we need to be aware of.

If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an email offline. I'll add you to our total.

Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.

Thanks,

Brian Engelen

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Brian Engelen

2008-08-07

So far, I have 6 people, including myself, who have had their Crank Brothers
Pedals fail while riding. Although, 2 of us feel it was our own fault due.
I'm going to write a letter to Crank Brother's support and ask if this is
something that we need to be aware of.

If you have had similar problems with Crank Brothers, please send me an
email offline. I'll add you to our total.

Problem: pedal comes off the spindle while riding.

Thanks,

Brian Engelen