Entry Fees for Swan Island Crit

Joel Morrissette

2008-08-19

Out of curiosity, is the average age of racers creeping up or holding
steady? Cycling is certainly growing in the state (Kenji ran the numbers at
PIR a couple weeks ago for me, but I've forgotten), so are we coming to the
sport later in life? I realize we'll all age out faster than a junior will,
but mean age and sustainability aren't necessarily related.

-Joel

2008/8/19 Geri Bossen

> I did not take my juniors or kids to Swan Island this year because the 17
> year-old and the 12 year-old would have raced at 9am and the younger
> siblings did not race until 1pm. Parents were just not willing to hang out
> for 4 hours so both sets of kids got to race--end result none got to race.
>
> I really wish promoters would consider that many junior racer have younger
> siblings or parents who also race.
> I truly believe there would be more participation if the juniors were
> closer to mid day so racing parents would be more inclined to come early or
> stay late so their junior could also race. This would also open the door
> for more younger kids to get hooked by doing the kid races which wisely tend
> to be mid-day.
>
> I love the fact that cross has put the juniors near mid-day. I really
> believe this increases the junior participation. It helps when the younger
> siblings have something to look forward to and it helps when the parents
> have their race within a couple hours of their children's races.
>
> I know Mike has the stats I do believe that the average age of bike racers
> is fairly old. We need the juniors.
>
> Geri Bossen
>
> ------------------------------
> From: mike.murray@obra.org
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:52:03 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Entry Fees for Swan Island Crit
>
> Having a lower fee for the entry level categories could also encourage
> participation by new to the sport riders, and admirable idea.
>
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Monty Hill
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 15:49 PM
> *To:* obra
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Entry Fees for Swan Island Crit
>
> I have always wondered why all bike races are not set up this way.
>
>
>
> I use to race motorcycles and they always had higher registration fees for
> pros. Fewer participants, Longer Races and Much larger cash prizes.
>
>
>
> Monty
>
>
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Kevin Hedahl
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:59 PM
> *To:* obra
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Entry Fees for Swan Island Crit
>
>
>
> My guess is because the winnings are larger. This way, the 4/5's aren't
> paying for the 1/2's winnings.
>
> /kevin
>
> 2008/8/12 Jason Shucker
>
> Can anyone provide any good reason why there is a sliding scale for the
> entry fees at Swan Island this weekend? I know $5 is pretty common for
> junior races, but why do the 4/5s only have to pay $15 while the 3's/Masters
> pay $20, and the 1/2s pay $25? I've never seen anything like this for a one
> day race before. I've seen it in stage races, which makes sense, because
> the higher categories generally do longer races (more days/stages).
>
>
>
> Why are the higher categories being charged more. It's almost as if they
> are being punished for staying w/ the sport and improving!
>
>
>
> And, please don't be a smart-donkey and respond w/ put on a race yourself,
> see what the costs are like, etc etc. I am very thankful to all promoters
> who put on events (especially those who do so outside of the PDX Metro
> area). I am just very curious why the higher categories are being asked to
> pay more. Times are tough people, $5-10 is alot of money :)
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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Geri Bossen

2008-08-19

I did not take my juniors or kids to Swan Island this year because the 17 year-old and the 12 year-old would have raced at 9am and the younger siblings did not race until 1pm. Parents were just not willing to hang out for 4 hours so both sets of kids got to race--end result none got to race.

I really wish promoters would consider that many junior racer have younger siblings or parents who also race.
I truly believe there would be more participation if the juniors were closer to mid day so racing parents would be more inclined to come early or stay late so their junior could also race. This would also open the door for more younger kids to get hooked by doing the kid races which wisely tend to be mid-day.

I love the fact that cross has put the juniors near mid-day. I really believe this increases the junior participation. It helps when the younger siblings have something to look forward to and it helps when the parents have their race within a couple hours of their children's races.

I know Mike has the stats I do believe that the average age of bike racers is fairly old. We need the juniors.

Geri Bossen

From: mike.murray@obra.org
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:52:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Entry Fees for Swan Island Crit

Message

Having
a lower fee for the entry level categories could also encourage participation by
new to the sport riders, and admirable idea.


Mike Murray


-----Original Message-----
From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of
Monty Hill
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 15:49 PM
To:
obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Entry Fees for Swan Island
Crit


I
have always wondered why all bike races are not set up this way.


I
use to race motorcycles and they always had higher registration fees for
pros. Fewer participants, Longer Races and Much larger cash
prizes.

Monty


From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of
Kevin Hedahl
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:59
PM
To: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Entry Fees for Swan
Island Crit


My guess is because the
winnings are larger. This way, the 4/5's aren't paying for the 1/2's
winnings.

/kevin

2008/8/12 Jason Shucker



Can anyone provide any good reason why there is a sliding
scale for the entry fees at Swan Island this weekend? I know $5 is
pretty common for junior races, but why do the 4/5s only have to pay $15 while
the 3's/Masters pay $20, and the 1/2s pay $25? I've never seen anything
like this for a one day race before. I've seen it in stage races, which
makes sense, because the higher categories generally do longer races (more
days/stages).



Why are the higher categories being charged more.
It's almost as if they are being punished for staying w/ the sport and
improving!



And, please don't be a smart-donkey and respond w/ put on a
race yourself, see what the costs are like, etc etc. I am very thankful
to all promoters who put on events (especially those who do so outside of the
PDX Metro area). I am just very curious why the higher categories are
being asked to pay more. Times are tough people, $5-10 is alot of money
:)



Thanks!


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Mike Murray

2008-08-18

Having a lower fee for the entry level categories could also encourage
participation by new to the sport riders, and admirable idea.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Monty Hill
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 15:49 PM
To: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Entry Fees for Swan Island Crit

I have always wondered why all bike races are not set up this way.

I use to race motorcycles and they always had higher registration fees for
pros. Fewer participants, Longer Races and Much larger cash prizes.

Monty

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Hedahl
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:59 PM
To: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Entry Fees for Swan Island Crit

My guess is because the winnings are larger. This way, the 4/5's aren't
paying for the 1/2's winnings.

/kevin

2008/8/12 Jason Shucker

Can anyone provide any good reason why there is a sliding scale for the
entry fees at Swan Island this weekend? I know $5 is pretty common for
junior races, but why do the 4/5s only have to pay $15 while the 3's/Masters
pay $20, and the 1/2s pay $25? I've never seen anything like this for a one
day race before. I've seen it in stage races, which makes sense, because
the higher categories generally do longer races (more days/stages).

Why are the higher categories being charged more. It's almost as if they
are being punished for staying w/ the sport and improving!

And, please don't be a smart-donkey and respond w/ put on a race yourself,
see what the costs are like, etc etc. I am very thankful to all promoters
who put on events (especially those who do so outside of the PDX Metro
area). I am just very curious why the higher categories are being asked to
pay more. Times are tough people, $5-10 is alot of money :)

Thanks!

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Monty Hill

2008-08-12

I have always wondered why all bike races are not set up this way.

I use to race motorcycles and they always had higher registration fees for pros. Fewer participants, Longer Races and Much larger cash prizes.

Monty

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Hedahl
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:59 PM
To: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Entry Fees for Swan Island Crit

My guess is because the winnings are larger. This way, the 4/5's aren't paying for the 1/2's winnings.

/kevin
2008/8/12 Jason Shucker >
Can anyone provide any good reason why there is a sliding scale for the entry fees at Swan Island this weekend? I know $5 is pretty common for junior races, but why do the 4/5s only have to pay $15 while the 3's/Masters pay $20, and the 1/2s pay $25? I've never seen anything like this for a one day race before. I've seen it in stage races, which makes sense, because the higher categories generally do longer races (more days/stages).

Why are the higher categories being charged more. It's almost as if they are being punished for staying w/ the sport and improving!

And, please don't be a smart-donkey and respond w/ put on a race yourself, see what the costs are like, etc etc. I am very thankful to all promoters who put on events (especially those who do so outside of the PDX Metro area). I am just very curious why the higher categories are being asked to pay more. Times are tough people, $5-10 is alot of money :)

Thanks!

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Kevin Hedahl

2008-08-12

My guess is because the winnings are larger. This way, the 4/5's aren't
paying for the 1/2's winnings.

/kevin

2008/8/12 Jason Shucker

> Can anyone provide any good reason why there is a sliding scale for the
> entry fees at Swan Island this weekend? I know $5 is pretty common for
> junior races, but why do the 4/5s only have to pay $15 while the 3's/Masters
> pay $20, and the 1/2s pay $25? I've never seen anything like this for a one
> day race before. I've seen it in stage races, which makes sense, because
> the higher categories generally do longer races (more days/stages).
>
> Why are the higher categories being charged more. It's almost as if they
> are being punished for staying w/ the sport and improving!
>
> And, please don't be a smart-donkey and respond w/ put on a race yourself,
> see what the costs are like, etc etc. I am very thankful to all promoters
> who put on events (especially those who do so outside of the PDX Metro
> area). I am just very curious why the higher categories are being asked to
> pay more. Times are tough people, $5-10 is alot of money :)
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Jason Shucker

2008-08-12

Can anyone provide any good reason why there is a sliding scale for the entry fees at Swan Island this weekend?  I know $5 is pretty common for junior races, but why do the 4/5s only have to pay $15 while the 3's/Masters pay $20, and the 1/2s pay $25?  I've never seen anything like this for a one day race before.  I've seen it in stage races, which makes sense, because the higher categories generally do longer races (more days/stages).
Why are the higher categories being charged more.  It's almost as if they are being punished for staying w/ the sport and improving!
And, please don't be a smart-donkey and respond w/ put on a race yourself, see what the costs are like, etc etc.  I am very thankful to all promoters who put on events (especially those who do so outside of the PDX Metro area).  I am just very curious why the higher categories are being asked to pay more.  Times are tough people, $5-10 is alot of money :)
Thanks!