hrdtduck
Goes to show you just how hard it is for any group of people to get
along.and I'll further it after saying..I ride every day rain or
shine.because I like to not because I have to, every day I see pretty bad
behavior on the part of motorists.but I also see some pretty stupid behavior
on our part.yes our part.and the number one major idiot/stupid/dangerous
thing we do as a group..blow thru stop signs and traffic lights.even though
I see motorists roll stop just as often, if not more.blowing off a stop sign
or light is the single greatest "thing" that pisses off motorists and
fosters bad/rude/dangerous behavior on their part towards us.
I know the mentality is skewed, but it is a fact.so why do you do it?? Too
lazy to stop? Don't think traffic rule applies to you? Think it is ok and no
big deal? What can it be?? Why do a, all to large of, a majority of
"us"..fail to stop at a traffic light or sign?...
I know we cannot control all the cycle-bums out there.you know who I mean,
the people who would not be on a bike if they didn't have a DUI and lost
their license types (plus some other descriptive)..Those rolling wrecks will
always haunt us with their behavior. But we have control of our road
behavior, the cycling enthusiasts.So for god's sake OBEY TRAFFIC LAWS the
best you can.do not give motorists a reason to mumble under their collective
breaths.."there goes another scofflaw, I hate those assholes, and I want to
run them down, cause I have to stop and they seem to think they don't" ..use
stop signs as a tool to tune up your sprinting ability.stop sign to stop
sign race.I don't signal much either other than when a motorist is near and
I need to give them a indication of where I am headed, but do it!....We do
have to share the road.it is our lives that are at risk.not the motorists.
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Serna
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:23 PM
To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
Cheers!!!!!! It was never my intention to make this a personal attack. All
I wanted to do was give an additional point of view that may help us all in
the futuer, but what do I know I am just a dumb bike racer.
J. Serna
----- Original Message ----
From: "gschreckchat@comcast.net"
To: Justin Serna ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:19:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
It would be nice that while we are complaining about civility between
cyclists and drivers, we could be civil to one another who more or less
share the same interests, respect each other's opinions and not get personal
(unless of couse it is an opportunity to inject some humor at their
expense). We might even learn something form each other in the process.
Everything is not black and white.
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Justin Serna
My apologies, I thought this is what open forums were all about.
" Communication...."
Good luck to you in the future.
Ciao`
----- Original Message ----
From: Lynne Cuevas
To: Justin Serna
Cc: randyradcliffe@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:19:01 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
Yes Justin i do know they visited him. I called wa co sheriff this morning
and got the deputie name and number. As far as me flipping him off, he
couldn't see in his rear view mirror at that speed if I was waving on finger
or all five. I had no idea I would see him again for that matter. I did
hope I would so that I could report him as I was doing nothing wrong.
Speaking of confrontational people, you are more than qualified as one for
harrassing me. If you like asshole drivers on the road, just keep ignoring
them.
I am asking you now to direct your emails on this subject to someone else
as I am now tired of defending myself from you. You weren't there, you
don't have any right to keep judging me on everything you think I did wrong.
Lynne
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Justin Serna wrote:
From: Justin Serna
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 2:25 PM
Do you really believe that the police visited him? "The police said they
were going to go talk to him but wouldn't give me a return call to say how
it went." I am really trying to understand how you can rationalize filpping
someone off and then stopping in front of an establishment where the person
that you flipped off was parked and expecting him/her to come out and be
understanding. This is just so simple "Fly's with Honey" not rocket
science.
----- Original Message ----
From: Lynne Cuevas
To: Justin Serna
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:17:06 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
He was visited by a police officer for his behavior and hostile actions
towards me. I was not. You could just thank me for getting an uniformed
person educated. You are entitled to your opinion, I just don't share it.
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Justin Serna wrote:
From: Justin Serna
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
To: gschreckchat@comcast.net, toyotapu996@yahoo.com, obra@list.obra.org
Cc: randyradcliffe58@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 2:10 PM
George, I believe you may have missed my point. It is your choice of words
that leads me to this opinion. Maybe if we did not confront "My reaction
was to fly the bird and keep going" the folks that we SHARE the road with
and instead were more hospitable. We may entice more drivers from the dark
side.
Definition:
Confront \Con*front"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {
Confronted}; p. pr.
& vb. n. {
Confronting}.] [F. confronter; L. con- + frons the
forehead or front. See {
Front}.]
1. To stand facing or in front of; to face; esp. to face
hostilely; to oppose with firmness.
May the force be with you........
J. Serna
----- Original Message ----
From: "gschreckchat@comcast.net"
To: Justin Serna ; toyotapu996@yahoo.com;
obra@list.obra.org
Cc: randyradcliffe58@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
I do not think we get anywhere by turning the other cheek. We should
confront stupidity and intolerance wherever it arises. Under your strategy
we would only confront people who would tend agree with us, as opposed to
the biggest offenders.
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Justin Serna
Well, I did post my comment to the entire list and lets be clear I never
called you stupid. I have a feeling if you knew who I was you might
reconsider your wall flower comment. Beleive me I undrserstand your
hostility all to well, and obviously I am not afraid to voice my opinion.
As I said in my first post there is a time and a place for everything. I am
also learning a lot as I become older and ANGER will get us no where!!! I
really hope that you will think about this experience and try to understand
that flipping someone off and then trying to explain yourself to someone
generaly doesn't work out very well.
Ciao`
J. Serna
----- Original Message ----
From: Lynne Cuevas
To: Justin Serna
Cc: randyradcliffe58@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:51:24 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
Yes, it happened in the sticks. No, I wasn't alone with him when he came
running out of the business yelling at me. No, I do not let these people
intimidate me. I do not let people wrong me or anyone else and then not say
anything because they might hit me or shoot me. Bullies don't run my life.
Besides that, I didn't confront him, I just stopped in the road in front of
the business that he was parked at. Was I supposed to ride home a different
way to avoid him? Maybe you would be the next guy he harrassed and he just
used his truck to unleash his hostility? You can go ahead and be a wall
flower and not stop assholes like this but don't call me stupid because I
won't take it!
Why don't you post this to the whole list and see what other people think?
I think that getting him off the road and keeping him from actually hurting
someone else is what I am morally obligated to do.
Feel free to share my response.
Lynne
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Justin Serna wrote:
From: Justin Serna
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
To: "Lynne cuevas" , obra@list.obra.org
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:24 PM
OK, I know I am going to catch hell for this but come on!!! What part of
this scenario made you think you should stop and reason with this guy?
1) Helvetia Rd. (Not exactly the most urban neighborhood)
2) Older Brown Chevy p.u. ( Not Exactly a Volvo with a bike rack on top)
3) Jackson Quarry Rd. (Just sounds like you are in the sticks)
4) Stopped in the road to see just who this jack ass was. (Really, just to
see who he was)
5) He came running out of the business yelling at me. ( Review 1-4 and
then add man running out of TIRE SHOP screaming at you and you were going to
reason with him???)
I am not just trying to be a smart ass but seriously there is a time and a
place for everything. I have found in my 39 years of experience that when
ever we track someone down to explain our side it never really goes the way
we intend. I completely understand how you must have felt as I am sure most
of us here do. I will be perfectly honest, I have always been a bit of a
hot head when it comes to less than courteous drivers but after reading the
recently posted story here on the OBRA blog, about the gentleman that had a
GUN pulled on him. I will think more than twice about who I explain
anything to. I have been trying very hard to just go with the smile and
wave retort.
Please don't take this as a personal attack, I just want us all to get
along!!!!!
J. Serna
---- Original Message ----
From: Lynne cuevas
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:03:27 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
I was on the newly chip sealed Helvetia rd yesterday riding along in the
center of the lane trying to find the smooth spots in the road as there was
no traffic at the time. All of the sudden there is an older brown Chevy
p.u. whizzing by my left shoulder blaring his horn. My reaction was to fly
the bird and keep going.
He turned left at Jackson Quarry rd. as well as I did. I came upon his
truck at McCann tire and stopped in the road to see just who this jack ass
was. He came running out of the business yelling at me about how illegal I
was and that I was going to end up in a ditch! I tried to explain to him
that if he would have tooted his horn a couple of hundred feet behind me, I
would have gladly moved over for him and that the ch ip seal was hard for me
to ride. He heard none of it and yelled at me. Of course I told him he was
wrong and I did have as much right to be there as he did.
This infuriated the man. He ran towards me and was kicking gravel on me
from less than 5' away and swung his arms wildly as he was calling me a
bitch.
At that time the guy from McCann's told him to stop. I tried to explain
to the shop guy what had happened, he told me to leave. I was on the
street...not on his property. I got the license number of the truck and
left.
The police said they were going to go talk to him but wouldn't give me a
return call to say how it went.
I later learned that the guy that harassed me was an employee of the tire
shop. I was a customer of his a month ago. He changed over some tires for
my friend. We are both cyclists and wanted to give the small business owner
our business.
He won't get my b u siness anymore
Lynne Cuevas
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