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Not being much of a spinner I use a 21/11 cogset in all races.

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From: MARK STEGER
I bring an 11 to every fight, I mean race. I wouldn't leave home without it.
Mark

From: johnmitchem@earthlink.net
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:32:53 -0700
To: hagenkt@mac.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?

Karsten has it right, I cant hang without my 11!

When we get good lead outs, PIR sprints go up 42mph's,
I end up sitting down at about 39 or so, and (sprinter) spin to 40 or 42mph.
need it, love it

On Aug 29, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Karsten Hagen wrote:

I sometimes do 100rpm briefly when my chain dumps off my small ring and wraps around the bb shell. But other than that, an 11 is the only way I can hang in many races. But then, it took me 10 minutes to type this.

Karsten

On 8/29/08 4:38 PM, "zak" wrote:

compact. yes.
i <3 my 11.
and im not old.

> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:40:54 -0700
> From: cdbrandt@gmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?
>
> Jokes aside, I do actually use one. Because I can't climb very well, I often use it to get back on the pack on the descents. After a leg ripping climb (to me), it's surprising how slow the pack often descends, relative to what the motivated individual can do. Also, in criteriums with a tailwind sprint or a slight downhill section, I actually do use my 11 quite often. I don't have big "track racer" guns, but do find the 53x11 useful sometimes, over 100 rpms. In general though, a 12 is fine for me.
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about the only person who needs an 11 is somebody who broke their front drlr cable and has to ride in the 39.

if you routinely sprint in a 53x11, you really ought to do some leg speed drills and go ride the track.

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> Coming to cycling late in life, only having knowledge of some track
> stuff and always interested to learn something new. I was somewhat
> puzzled last week when I heard someone was selling a 12-25 cassette
> because they needed and 11. Just a few days ago when I was hanging
> with some of the big dog sprinters, they seemed to feel that a 53-12
> should be enough meat to get you where you wanted to go. And as far
> as I knew, Nigel Tufnel was really the only person to need an 11.
> So where does a roadie use an 11? 53-12 at 100 rpm's is 35 mph.
>
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And he uses it at Mt Tabor!!! which in my book is just flat out cheating.

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--- On Sat, 8/30/08, MARK STEGER wrote:

> From: MARK STEGER
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?
> To: "john mitchem" , "Karsten Hagen"
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 8:25 AM
> I bring an 11 to every fight, I mean race. I wouldn't
> leave home without it.
> Mark
>
>
>
> From: johnmitchem@earthlink.netDate: Fri, 29 Aug 2008
> 21:32:53 -0700To: hagenkt@mac.comCC:
> obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an
> 11?Karsten has it right, I cant hang without my 11!
> When we get good lead outs, PIR sprints go up 42mph's,
> I end up sitting down at about 39 or so, and (sprinter)
> spin to 40 or 42mph.
> need it, love it
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Karsten Hagen wrote:
> I sometimes do 100rpm briefly when my chain dumps off my
> small ring and wraps around the bb shell. But other than
> that, an 11 is the only way I can hang in many races. But
> then, it took me 10 minutes to type this.KarstenOn 8/29/08
> 4:38 PM, "zak"
> wrote:
> compact. yes. i <3 my 11.and im not old.> Date: Fri,
> 29 Aug 2008 15:40:54 -0700> From: cdbrandt@gmail.com>
> To: obra@list.obra.org> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who
> needs an 11?> > Jokes aside, I do actually use one.
> Because I can't climb very well, I often use it to get
> back on the pack on the descents. After a leg ripping climb
> (to me), it's surprising how slow the pack often
> descends, relative to what the motivated individual can do.
> Also, in criteriums with a tailwind sprint or a slight
> downhill section, I actually do use my 11 quite often. I
> don't have big "track racer" guns, but do find
> the 53x11 useful sometimes, over 100 rpms. In general
> though, a 12 is fine for me.>
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I bring an 11 to every fight, I mean race. I wouldn't leave home without it.
Mark

From: johnmitchem@earthlink.netDate: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:32:53 -0700To: hagenkt@mac.comCC: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?Karsten has it right, I cant hang without my 11!
When we get good lead outs, PIR sprints go up 42mph's,
I end up sitting down at about 39 or so, and (sprinter) spin to 40 or 42mph.
need it, love it

On Aug 29, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Karsten Hagen wrote:
I sometimes do 100rpm briefly when my chain dumps off my small ring and wraps around the bb shell. But other than that, an 11 is the only way I can hang in many races. But then, it took me 10 minutes to type this.KarstenOn 8/29/08 4:38 PM, "zak" wrote:
compact. yes. i <3 my 11.and im not old.> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:40:54 -0700> From: cdbrandt@gmail.com> To: obra@list.obra.org> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?> > Jokes aside, I do actually use one. Because I can't climb very well, I often use it to get back on the pack on the descents. After a leg ripping climb (to me), it's surprising how slow the pack often descends, relative to what the motivated individual can do. Also, in criteriums with a tailwind sprint or a slight downhill section, I actually do use my 11 quite often. I don't have big "track racer" guns, but do find the 53x11 useful sometimes, over 100 rpms. In general though, a 12 is fine for me.> _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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Karsten has it right, I cant hang without my 11!
When we get good lead outs, PIR sprints go up 42mph's,
I end up sitting down at about 39 or so, and (sprinter) spin to 40 or
42mph.
need it, love it

On Aug 29, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Karsten Hagen wrote:

> I sometimes do 100rpm briefly when my chain dumps off my small ring
> and wraps around the bb shell. But other than that, an 11 is the
> only way I can hang in many races. But then, it took me 10 minutes
> to type this.
>
> Karsten
>
>
> On 8/29/08 4:38 PM, "zak" wrote:
>
>> compact. yes.
>> i <3 my 11.
>> and im not old.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:40:54 -0700
>> > From: cdbrandt@gmail.com
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?
>> >
>> > Jokes aside, I do actually use one. Because I can't climb very
>> well, I often use it to get back on the pack on the descents.
>> After a leg ripping climb (to me), it's surprising how slow the
>> pack often descends, relative to what the motivated individual can
>> do. Also, in criteriums with a tailwind sprint or a slight
>> downhill section, I actually do use my 11 quite often. I don't
>> have big "track racer" guns, but do find the 53x11 useful
>> sometimes, over 100 rpms. In general though, a 12 is fine for me.
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I sometimes do 100rpm briefly when my chain dumps off my small ring and
wraps around the bb shell. But other than that, an 11 is the only way I can
hang in many races. But then, it took me 10 minutes to type this.

Karsten

On 8/29/08 4:38 PM, "zak" wrote:

> compact. yes.
> i <3 my 11.
> and im not old.
>
>
>
>> > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:40:54 -0700
>> > From: cdbrandt@gmail.com
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?
>> >
>> > Jokes aside, I do actually use one. Because I can't climb very well, I
>> often use it to get back on the pack on the descents. After a leg ripping
>> climb (to me), it's surprising how slow the pack often descends, relative to
>> what the motivated individual can do. Also, in criteriums with a tailwind
>> sprint or a slight downhill section, I actually do use my 11 quite often. I
>> don't have big "track racer" guns, but do find the 53x11 useful sometimes,
>> over 100 rpms. In general though, a 12 is fine for me.
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compact. yes.
i <3 my 11.
and im not old.

> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:40:54 -0700
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> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?
>
> Jokes aside, I do actually use one. Because I can't climb very well, I often use it to get back on the pack on the descents. After a leg ripping climb (to me), it's surprising how slow the pack often descends, relative to what the motivated individual can do. Also, in criteriums with a tailwind sprint or a slight downhill section, I actually do use my 11 quite often. I don't have big "track racer" guns, but do find the 53x11 useful sometimes, over 100 rpms. In general though, a 12 is fine for me.
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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:02:26
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Now that we've all done the math about who needs an 11, it's clear we all can use an 11...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaD9v460yI

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100 rpm?

You guys should be out at the track....

Joel Morrissette wrote:
> As Chris pointed out, a 53x11 on a descent means you can rest the legs
> and gain a little time at 35+mph. I run a compact, and 50x12 just
> doesn't cut it in any kind of sprint and I always top out on
> descents. I'm thinking an 11-28 would be great, but then I'd need to
> go with a SRAM long-cage derailleur for my setup. It would both climb
> AND sprint, though. = )
>
> To compare, at 100 rpm, 172.5mm cranks, 700x23 tires:
> 53x11 = 37.7 mph
> 52x11 = 37
> 50x11 = 35.5
> 36x28 = 10.1
> 34x26 = 10.2
>
> I think there's a very strong argument here for a 52/36 crankset with
> an 11-28 in the back as an all-around setup. On the top end, you can
> turn over the 52x11 a little easier than the 53x11 and leave some
> headroom for the sprint. On the bottom end, you have nearly the same
> climbing gearing as the standard compact 36x26 setup. The problem is
> that you need to run a long-cage derailleur (a medium-cage, really,
> but my SRAM gruppo doesn't have it) in the rear, and any FD is going
> to have a hard time taking up 16 teeth smoothly. Specs on my SRAM
> Rival compact FD say that it'll do 16 teeth, and even lists a 52/36 as
> an option. Can't imagine it's going to be very smooth, though.
>
> -Joel
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Chris Brandt > wrote:
>
> Jokes aside, I do actually use one. Because I can't climb very
> well, I often use it to get back on the pack on the descents.
> After a leg ripping climb (to me), it's surprising how slow the
> pack often descends, relative to what the motivated individual can
> do. Also, in criteriums with a tailwind sprint or a slight
> downhill section, I actually do use my 11 quite often. I don't
> have big "track racer" guns, but do find the 53x11 useful
> sometimes, over 100 rpms. In general though, a 12 is fine for me.
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*Nigel Tufnel*: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most
blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way
up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can
you go from there? Where?
*Marty DiBergi*: I don't know.
*Nigel Tufnel*: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push
over the cliff, you know what we do?
*Marty DiBergi*: Put it up to eleven.
*Nigel Tufnel*: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
*Marty DiBergi*: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top
number and make that a little louder?
*Nigel Tufnel*: [*pause*] These go to eleven.

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Erik Voldengen wrote:

> Not everyone has a 53 up front. I've got a 50 right now, and 50x11 is
> a nice gear to have sometimes. I was on a fast ride yesterday where I
> was certainly glad to have it, and I would say I'm a spinner.
>
> Also, if you have an 11, your peers will give you cool nicknames like
> "El Once." Nobody wants to be El Doce, or even worse, "Le Douze."
> Nobody.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Steve Brown
> wrote:
> > Coming to cycling late in life, only having knowledge of some track
> > stuff and always interested to learn something new. I was somewhat
> > puzzled last week when I heard someone was selling a 12-25 cassette
> > because they needed and 11. Just a few days ago when I was hanging
> > with some of the big dog sprinters, they seemed to feel that a 53-12
> > should be enough meat to get you where you wanted to go. And as far
> > as I knew, Nigel Tufnel was really the only person to need an 11.
> > So where does a roadie use an 11? 53-12 at 100 rpm's is 35 mph.
> >
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Joel Morrissette

As Chris pointed out, a 53x11 on a descent means you can rest the legs and
gain a little time at 35+mph. I run a compact, and 50x12 just doesn't cut
it in any kind of sprint and I always top out on descents. I'm thinking an
11-28 would be great, but then I'd need to go with a SRAM long-cage
derailleur for my setup. It would both climb AND sprint, though. = )

To compare, at 100 rpm, 172.5mm cranks, 700x23 tires:
53x11 = 37.7 mph
52x11 = 37
50x11 = 35.5
36x28 = 10.1
34x26 = 10.2

I think there's a very strong argument here for a 52/36 crankset with an
11-28 in the back as an all-around setup. On the top end, you can turn over
the 52x11 a little easier than the 53x11 and leave some headroom for the
sprint. On the bottom end, you have nearly the same climbing gearing as the
standard compact 36x26 setup. The problem is that you need to run a
long-cage derailleur (a medium-cage, really, but my SRAM gruppo doesn't have
it) in the rear, and any FD is going to have a hard time taking up 16 teeth
smoothly. Specs on my SRAM Rival compact FD say that it'll do 16 teeth, and
even lists a 52/36 as an option. Can't imagine it's going to be very
smooth, though.

-Joel

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Chris Brandt wrote:

> Jokes aside, I do actually use one. Because I can't climb very well, I
> often use it to get back on the pack on the descents. After a leg ripping
> climb (to me), it's surprising how slow the pack often descends, relative to
> what the motivated individual can do. Also, in criteriums with a tailwind
> sprint or a slight downhill section, I actually do use my 11 quite often. I
> don't have big "track racer" guns, but do find the 53x11 useful sometimes,
> over 100 rpms. In general though, a 12 is fine for me.
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Erik Voldengen

Not everyone has a 53 up front. I've got a 50 right now, and 50x11 is
a nice gear to have sometimes. I was on a fast ride yesterday where I
was certainly glad to have it, and I would say I'm a spinner.

Also, if you have an 11, your peers will give you cool nicknames like
"El Once." Nobody wants to be El Doce, or even worse, "Le Douze."
Nobody.

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Steve Brown
wrote:
> Coming to cycling late in life, only having knowledge of some track
> stuff and always interested to learn something new. I was somewhat
> puzzled last week when I heard someone was selling a 12-25 cassette
> because they needed and 11. Just a few days ago when I was hanging
> with some of the big dog sprinters, they seemed to feel that a 53-12
> should be enough meat to get you where you wanted to go. And as far
> as I knew, Nigel Tufnel was really the only person to need an 11.
> So where does a roadie use an 11? 53-12 at 100 rpm's is 35 mph.
>
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Jokes aside, I do actually use one. Because I can't climb very well, I often use it to get back on the pack on the descents. After a leg ripping climb (to me), it's surprising how slow the pack often descends, relative to what the motivated individual can do. Also, in criteriums with a tailwind sprint or a slight downhill section, I actually do use my 11 quite often. I don't have big "track racer" guns, but do find the 53x11 useful sometimes, over 100 rpms. In general though, a 12 is fine for me.

Joe Cipale

Which I guess is why it makes me feel so old when I use mine??? ;)

Salvatore Collura wrote:

>
> Steve.
> You are so naive.
> An 11 is not really necessary, it just makes you feel like a man . . . . .
>
> -sal
>
>
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> > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:45:50 -0700
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?
> >
> > Coming to cycling late in life, only having knowledge of some track
> > stuff and always interested to learn something new. I was somewhat
> > puzzled last week when I heard someone was selling a 12-25 cassette
> > because they needed and 11. Just a few days ago when I was hanging
> > with some of the big dog sprinters, they seemed to feel that a 53-12
> > should be enough meat to get you where you wanted to go. And as far
> > as I knew, Nigel Tufnel was really the only person to need an 11.
> > So where does a roadie use an 11? 53-12 at 100 rpm's is 35 mph.
> >
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craig austin

Probably someone who went to compact cranks and spins out in the 50-12.

2008/8/29 john

> its not for sprinting... I typically gear into a 14 or 15 or 16 and
> wind it up when i sprint. but then i use to be able to put it over 200 rpm
> (on rollers.. ) As i get older I am slowly losing this spin.. and do tend
> to push bigger gears.
>
> What these big gears are nice for is for rolling along in a big peloton..
> or fast paceline, when at the back, switch up to a big gear and push
> along... just for a change to the muscles. I have done a few races where i
> rarely came out of the biggest gear... but a while ago and probably a
> 52x13.
>
> I almost never use an 11, now sometimes use a 12, but use to almost always
> use a 13 with a 53.. Now i might with compact gearing, but then my big
> ring will be a 46, 48 at most a 50..
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/29/08, Steve Brown * wrote:
>
> From: Steve Brown
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?
> To: "OBRA list"
> Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 2:45 PM
>
> Coming to cycling late in life, only having knowledge of some track
> stuff and always interested to learn something new. I was somewhat
> puzzled last week when I heard someone was selling a 12-25 cassette
> because they needed and 11. Just a few days ago when I was hanging
> with some of the big dog sprinters, they seemed to feel that a 53-12
> should be enough meat to get you where you wanted to go. And as far
> as I knew, Nigel Tufnel was really the only person to need an 11.
> So where does a roadie use an 11? 53-12 at 100 rpm's is 35 mph.
>
> Steve
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jon.ragsdale@comcast.net

I am currently planning on my next bike having a compact crankset, and if I do that I'll look for an 11, but if it's a standard 53/39, I don't think I would go for an 11, unless it was going to make me feel like I was using those male enhancement pills....

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Steve Brown

> Coming to cycling late in life, only having knowledge of some track
> stuff and always interested to learn something new. I was somewhat
> puzzled last week when I heard someone was selling a 12-25 cassette
> because they needed and 11. Just a few days ago when I was hanging
> with some of the big dog sprinters, they seemed to feel that a 53-12
> should be enough meat to get you where you wanted to go. And as far
> as I knew, Nigel Tufnel was really the only person to need an 11.
> So where does a roadie use an 11? 53-12 at 100 rpm's is 35 mph.
>
> Steve Brown
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john

its not for sprinting...  I typically gear into a 14 or 15 or 16 and wind it up when i sprint.  but then i use to be able to put it over 200 rpm (on rollers.. )   As i get older I am slowly losing this spin..  and do tend to push bigger gears. 

What these big gears are nice for is for rolling along in a big peloton..  or fast paceline, when at the back, switch up to a big gear and push along... just for a change to the muscles.  I have done a few races where i rarely came out of the biggest gear...  but a while ago and probably a 52x13.

I almost never use an 11, now sometimes use a 12, but use to almost always use a 13 with a 53..   Now i might with compact gearing, but then my big ring will be a  46, 48  at most a 50.. 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Steve Brown wrote:
From: Steve Brown
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?
To: "OBRA list"
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 2:45 PM

Coming to cycling late in life, only having knowledge of some track
stuff and always interested to learn something new. I was somewhat
puzzled last week when I heard someone was selling a 12-25 cassette
because they needed and 11. Just a few days ago when I was hanging
with some of the big dog sprinters, they seemed to feel that a 53-12
should be enough meat to get you where you wanted to go. And as far
as I knew, Nigel Tufnel was really the only person to need an 11.
So where does a roadie use an 11? 53-12 at 100 rpm's is 35 mph.

Steve Brown
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Salvatore Collura

Steve.
You are so naive.
An 11 is not really necessary, it just makes you feel like a man . . . . .

-sal

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> To: obra@list.obra.org
> From: sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:45:50 -0700
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Who needs an 11?
>
> Coming to cycling late in life, only having knowledge of some track
> stuff and always interested to learn something new. I was somewhat
> puzzled last week when I heard someone was selling a 12-25 cassette
> because they needed and 11. Just a few days ago when I was hanging
> with some of the big dog sprinters, they seemed to feel that a 53-12
> should be enough meat to get you where you wanted to go. And as far
> as I knew, Nigel Tufnel was really the only person to need an 11.
> So where does a roadie use an 11? 53-12 at 100 rpm's is 35 mph.
>
> Steve Brown
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
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Steve Brown

Coming to cycling late in life, only having knowledge of some track
stuff and always interested to learn something new. I was somewhat
puzzled last week when I heard someone was selling a 12-25 cassette
because they needed and 11. Just a few days ago when I was hanging
with some of the big dog sprinters, they seemed to feel that a 53-12
should be enough meat to get you where you wanted to go. And as far
as I knew, Nigel Tufnel was really the only person to need an 11.
So where does a roadie use an 11? 53-12 at 100 rpm's is 35 mph.

Steve Brown