OBRA: OBRA Chat: Is Marijuana a performance ...

Matt Plummer

2008-09-12

Check out "Super High Me". This is a spin of Super Size Me, but with
marijuana instead. They go through many tests to determine the effects
of using the drug, both positive and negative. One outcome that is
worth noting, using marijuana does increase your psychic abilities.
But it also covers lung capacity, memory, reaction time, and more.

Check it out, its on netflix.

2008/9/12 Miles Crumley :
> No, Marijuana is not a performance enhancing drug. While there are a few
> cited benefits to smoking (emphasis a few), the negative effects of the drug
> out weigh its use.
> On inhalers: It depends on the type of inhaler and the drug being inhaled.
> You can get a medical waiver for your inhaler, however, it only enlarges
> the magnifying lens officials will look at you through.
> And, No, you cannot get a medical waiver for marijuana...ever.
> Note: Regardless of the drug(s) you take, whether supplements, prescribed,
> or recreational, you can still test positive for drugs and be excluded from
> a race. Refer to this link for more information:
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/athletes/2008%20Guide.pdf
>
> Regards,
> Miles J. Crumley
> Level 3 Coach - US Cycling
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:49 AM, The Dude wrote:
>>
>> Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
>> Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?
>>
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Miles Crumley

2008-09-12

No, Marijuana is not a performance enhancing drug. While there are a few
cited benefits to smoking (emphasis a few), the negative effects of the drug
out weigh its use.
On inhalers: It depends on the type of inhaler and the drug being inhaled.
You can get a medical waiver for your inhaler, however, it only enlarges
the magnifying lens officials will look at you through.

And, No, you cannot get a medical waiver for marijuana...ever.

Note: Regardless of the drug(s) you take, whether supplements, prescribed,
or recreational, you can still test positive for drugs and be excluded from
a race. Refer to this link for more information:
http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/athletes/2008%20Guide.pdf

Regards,
Miles J. Crumley
Level 3 Coach - US Cycling

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:49 AM, The Dude wrote:

> Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
> Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?
>
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david baker

2008-09-12

Yeah ,
I don't think it helps your respiratory system, but for some people it definitely helps with technical trails.I think it depends if you are a pot smoker riding a bike or a bike rider smoking pot. Bike riders smoking pot just get slower.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carrie Barton
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: Is Marijuana a performance enhancing drug?

One more thing.......take note where the article points out that THC is only banned (for UCI competition) for DH athletes, and not XC or any other discipline.

Begin forwarded message:

From: Carrie Barton
Date: September 12, 2008 12:40:22 PM PDT
To: obra@list.obra.org
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On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:20 PM, rick martin wrote:

wasn't it awhile ago when a pro mtb won either gold or silver in the downhill event, then was tested,and they made a big deal out of it and made him feel...........LIKE.....WELL.....A .....DOPER? then said it wasn't a performance enhancing drug,andGAVE HIM BACK HIS RIGHTLY DESERVED MEDAL..............i know, let's talk about the upcoming cross events and clinics and such. you people like to argue about the funniest things. oh and ............if your smoking a well wrapped, sweet tasting blunt, while your on moon point out in oakridge..........then crash and break your collar bone or off the ridge you go and you broke your legs but you still can't let go of your bike cause it's the only thing that matters in life..........well.....yes the pain will still be there and it hurts all the same! trust me!

2008/9/12

It is kind of a stretch, but I would say yes. Only reason being is that people get it to deal with pain (well, we hope that's why they are getting it legally). And if you smoke it before an event, wouldn't that help ignore the pain of what you're doing?

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> Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
> Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?
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The Dude

2008-09-12

Wow! Yous guys are really cool!, Man!
Thanks for the input. Carrie Thanx for link, Sincerely.

Ouch!, Rick man did you really fall off moon point?

This thread is more fun than an occasional Acid Flashback.

.....................................................

Let me explain something to you; I am not Mr. Lebowski.
You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me.

You know, that or uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

......................................................

From: Carrie Barton
One more thing.......take note where the article points out that THC
is only banned (for UCI competition) for DH athletes, and not XC or
any other discipline.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Carrie Barton
> Date: September 12, 2008 12:40:22 PM PDT
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Is Marijuana a performance enhancing drug?
>
> http://www.mbaction.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?
> sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%
> 3AArticle&mid=&tier=4&id=2EAB6CFBEF834871B625B8EAA722B037
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:20 PM, rick martin wrote:
>
>> wasn't it awhile ago when a pro mtb won either gold or silver in
>> the downhill event, then was tested,and they made a big deal out
>> of it and made him
>> feel...........LIKE.....WELL.....A .....DOPER? then said it
>> wasn't a performance enhancing drug,andGAVE HIM BACK HIS RIGHTLY
>> DESERVED MEDAL..............i know, let's talk about the upcoming
>> cross events and clinics and such. you people like to argue
>> about the funniest things. oh and ............if your smoking a
>> well wrapped, sweet tasting blunt, while your on moon point out in
>> oakridge..........then crash and break your collar bone or off the
>> ridge you go and you broke your legs but you still can't let go of
>> your bike cause it's the only thing that matters in
>> life..........well.....yes the pain will still be there and it
>> hurts all the same! trust me!
>> 2008/9/12
>> It is kind of a stretch, but I would say yes. Only reason being
>> is that people get it to deal with pain (well, we hope that's why
>> they are getting it legally). And if you smoke it before an
>> event, wouldn't that help ignore the pain of what you're doing?

Carrie Barton

2008-09-12

One more thing.......take note where the article points out that THC
is only banned (for UCI competition) for DH athletes, and not XC or
any other discipline.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Carrie Barton
> Date: September 12, 2008 12:40:22 PM PDT
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Is Marijuana a performance enhancing drug?
>
> http://www.mbaction.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?
> sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%
> 3AArticle&mid=&tier=4&id=2EAB6CFBEF834871B625B8EAA722B037
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:20 PM, rick martin wrote:
>
>> wasn't it awhile ago when a pro mtb won either gold or silver in
>> the downhill event, then was tested,and they made a big deal out
>> of it and made him
>> feel...........LIKE.....WELL.....A .....DOPER? then said it
>> wasn't a performance enhancing drug,andGAVE HIM BACK HIS RIGHTLY
>> DESERVED MEDAL..............i know, let's talk about the upcoming
>> cross events and clinics and such. you people like to argue
>> about the funniest things. oh and ............if your smoking a
>> well wrapped, sweet tasting blunt, while your on moon point out in
>> oakridge..........then crash and break your collar bone or off the
>> ridge you go and you broke your legs but you still can't let go of
>> your bike cause it's the only thing that matters in
>> life..........well.....yes the pain will still be there and it
>> hurts all the same! trust me!
>> 2008/9/12
>> It is kind of a stretch, but I would say yes. Only reason being
>> is that people get it to deal with pain (well, we hope that's why
>> they are getting it legally). And if you smoke it before an
>> event, wouldn't that help ignore the pain of what you're doing?
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: The Dude
>>
>> > Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
>> > Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > OBRA mailing list
>> > obra@list.obra.org
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Carrie Barton

2008-09-12

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On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:20 PM, rick martin wrote:

> wasn't it awhile ago when a pro mtb won either gold or silver in
> the downhill event, then was tested,and they made a big deal out of
> it and made him feel...........LIKE.....WELL.....A .....DOPER?
> then said it wasn't a performance enhancing drug,andGAVE HIM BACK
> HIS RIGHTLY DESERVED MEDAL..............i know, let's talk about
> the upcoming cross events and clinics and such. you people like
> to argue about the funniest things. oh and ............if your
> smoking a well wrapped, sweet tasting blunt, while your on moon
> point out in oakridge..........then crash and break your collar
> bone or off the ridge you go and you broke your legs but you still
> can't let go of your bike cause it's the only thing that matters in
> life..........well.....yes the pain will still be there and it
> hurts all the same! trust me!
> 2008/9/12
> It is kind of a stretch, but I would say yes. Only reason being is
> that people get it to deal with pain (well, we hope that's why they
> are getting it legally). And if you smoke it before an event,
> wouldn't that help ignore the pain of what you're doing?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: The Dude
>
> > Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
> > Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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rick martin

2008-09-12

wasn't it awhile ago when a pro mtb won either gold or silver in the
downhill event, then was tested,and they made a big deal out of it and made
him feel...........LIKE.....WELL.....A .....DOPER? then said it wasn't a
performance enhancing drug,andGAVE HIM BACK HIS RIGHTLY DESERVED
MEDAL..............i know, let's talk about the upcoming cross events and
clinics and such. you people like to argue about the funniest things. oh
and ............if your smoking a well wrapped, sweet tasting blunt, while
your on moon point out in oakridge..........then crash and break your collar
bone or off the ridge you go and you broke your legs but you still can't let
go of your bike cause it's the only thing that matters in
life..........well.....yes the pain will still be there and it hurts all the
same! trust me!
2008/9/12

> It is kind of a stretch, but I would say yes. Only reason being is that
> people get it to deal with pain (well, we hope that's why they are getting
> it legally). And if you smoke it before an event, wouldn't that help ignore
> the pain of what you're doing?
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: The Dude
>
> > Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
> > Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
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gschreckchat@comcast.net

2008-09-12

It depends on whether it is viewed as performance enhancing (I agree with Harry on this point without admitting to anything). The asthma TUE's are for formulations, doeses and delivery systems that are not viewed as perfromance enhancing. For example, some of the permitted drugs may be inhaled, but no injected, and some asthma medications are not permitted. I addition, doses are restricted, as is evidenced by the Petacci suspension for excessive levels of an asthma medication he was permitted to use. The rules are clear on the drugs for which uses are permitted and the delivery mechanism that is permissable.

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From: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
and at the risk of actually going and reading the rules, would a legal valid medical marijuana card allow for use of marijuana? akin to all those pro athletes who have asthma and have prescriptions and then permission to use their prescription drugs.

The next time the DUDE gets drug tested at an OBRA event, let us know how it goes.

Mark Ginsberg

Harry Phinney wrote:
I started racing as a teenager in the early '70s. I can assure you that the
answer is no.

Harry Phinney

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Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?

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Mark J. Ginsberg

2008-09-12

and at the risk of actually going and reading the rules, would a legal valid medical marijuana card allow for use of marijuana? akin to all those pro athletes who have asthma and have prescriptions and then permission to use their prescription drugs.

The next time the DUDE gets drug tested at an OBRA event, let us know how it goes.

Mark Ginsberg

Harry Phinney wrote: I started racing as a teenager in the early '70s. I can assure you that the
answer is no.

Harry Phinney

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Marijuana a performance enhancing drug?

Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?

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Harry Phinney

2008-09-12

I started racing as a teenager in the early '70s. I can assure you that the
answer is no.

Harry Phinney

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Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
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ibis23@comcast.net

2008-09-12

Based on all of these "facts" that have been presented to us, why aren't we seeing more snack food brands sponsor cycling teams? If I were sponsored by Hostess (Ding Dong's in particular) there is no way you could keep me off the podium. Unless it collapsed under my weight...

Dave
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:27:55
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jon.ragsdale@comcast.net

2008-09-12

It is kind of a stretch, but I would say yes. Only reason being is that people get it to deal with pain (well, we hope that's why they are getting it legally). And if you smoke it before an event, wouldn't that help ignore the pain of what you're doing?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: The Dude

> Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
> Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?
>
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Karsten Hagen

2008-09-12

This is clearly why our top pros continually make clandestine trips to BC.
Shame!

On 9/12/08 9:16 AM, "Erik Voldengen" wrote:

> Didn't Carl Decker quit the CXSSWC early last year to go eat some pork rinds?
>
>
> 2008/9/12 Matt Ottinger
>> Marijuana is only a performance enhancing drug if there is a giant bag of
>> Doritos at the finish line! Munchies! man.
>>
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Erik Voldengen

2008-09-12

Didn't Carl Decker quit the CXSSWC early last year to go eat some pork
rinds?

2008/9/12 Matt Ottinger

> Marijuana is only a performance enhancing drug if there is a giant bag of
> Doritos at the finish line! Munchies! man.
>
>

Matt Ottinger

2008-09-12

Marijuana is only a performance enhancing drug if there is a giant bag of Doritos at the finish line! Munchies! man.

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Only for karaoke.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:49 AM, The Dude > wrote:
Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?

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craig austin

2008-09-12

Only for karaoke.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:49 AM, The Dude wrote:

> Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
> Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?
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The Dude

2008-09-12

Since I live in Oregon and we can legally get medical marijuana,
Can marijuana be a performance enhancing drug?