Jorgensen's
I'm not a lawyer, just a planner, but to be clear, the crosswalk law actually states that a cyclist can ride through a crosswalk as long as they "enter" the crosswalk at no more than "normal" walking speed. They can then speed up. Cyclists are not required to dismount under Oregon law.
I've always interpreted state law to protect whomever is in a crosswalk, e.g., ped., bike, motorized wheelchair, etc., and vehicles in the travel lane, which can be bikes, always need to yield. Mark is absolutely right, sidewalk riding in either direction is the most statistically dangerous place to be regarding bike/vehicle conflicts.
Steve Jorgensen
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark J. Ginsberg
To: Rick Johnson ; Sarah Tisdale ; david baker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] wrong way?
well a bicyclist in a cross walk is required to go the speed of a pedestrian, and so long as they are following the law, I think the bike in the crosswalk has ROW over a car driver in the roadway.
The collision i see frequently in a sidewalk riding cyclist and a car driver leaving a driveway.
car driver looks left for oncoming auto traffic, biker in on sidewalk from car drivers right. Collision ensues.
ROW can be very fact specific in those cases.
Mark
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--- On Tue, 9/23/08, david baker wrote:
From: david baker
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] wrong way?
To: "Rick Johnson" , "Sarah Tisdale"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 9:02 PM
Oh here's a good one:
If you are riding a bike in a bike lane, or in the car lane if there is no bike lane, and pedestrians want to cross at a crosswalk, you stop to let them cross just like you are a car.
In the same scenario if someone is walking a bike across the crosswalk you stop as well, right...
But if someone is riding a bike across the crosswalk I always consider that they should be yielding to me because I am in the primary route and we are equals.
Is that incorrect assumption on my part?
I am actually asking this on a legal basis because I run into this frequently and if I am required to yield I will to avoid a ticket even though I would not agree with a law like that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Johnson
To: Sarah Tisdale
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] wrong way?
In Oregon it is legal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk except where it is expressly forbidden by city ordinance. There are certain things to be aware of in doing so:
a.. Cyclists must yield to all pedestrians
b.. Cyclists must provide audible warning when overtaking pedestrians
c.. Cyclists must ride no faster than walking speed when crossing intersections and driveways when a vehicle is approaching
d.. Cyclists cannot leave the sidewalk in a sudden manner as to cause a hazard
e.. Cannot ride carelessly or in a manner that endangers others or property
Rick
Sarah Tisdale wrote:
I thought bicyclists weren't supposed to be riding on the sidewalk at all.I'm always confused when I see a cyclist riding down a sidewalk on aroad with a perfectly good bike lane. Saw it on Cornell (nearhillsboro airport) this morning.Sarah2008/9/23 Rick Johnson : Another thing I picked up from Ray is that bicyclists are required toannounce themselves when overtaking a pedestrian on a sidewalk.RickJonathan Maus BikePortland wrote:interesting. here's a "quick and dirty" explanation from lawyer/racerRay Thomas"if peds are on the roadway they have to travel facing traffic asfar off the paved surface on the shoulder as possible. AND in bike lanesthe law is less clear but if there is a usable shoulder or sidewalkrunners are not supposed to use the bike lane and must in any eventyield to all traffic including bicycles... "--Jonathan_____________________Jonathan MausEditor, BikePortland.orghttp://www.BikePortland.orgNews Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804jonathan@bikeportland.orgOn Sep 23, 2008, at 9:37 AM, David Auker wrote:I think the law is pedestrians walk/run facing traffic, and this is toenable them to see what is coming their way (but hey, sometimesthere isno place to move to, just like when a cyclist is on a narrowcar-trafficked road). It's a give and take world on multi-usepaths...the blogger whose link you point us to could use somelessons insharing:what is the fricking law when it comes to this?
..cause iswear
.next time, i'll run their asses over!It's about sharing and karma and trying to keep the 'pecking order'fromgetting too rude...another level up from the cyclist is the motorvehicle driver, and we wouldn't want them to think of cyclists the waythe above cyclist seems to
think of pedestrians, would we? (Ouch!) Ingeneral, I personally think the most vulnerable road users out thereneed the most care and respect.Davidrick martin wrote:can some of you help me out here........................i'mcurious............. http://2tired2quit.wordpress.com/------------------------------------------------------------------------_______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org_______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org--Rick JohnsonBend, Oregon541-390-5269RCJohnson1@Attglobal.net_______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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