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Please don't draw this out any longer .....

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of joe cipale
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:18 PM
To: Thomas Hoffman
Cc: 'Obra'
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] So how do you like your pork?

We get the point, Thomas.

On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 11:30 -0700, Thomas Hoffman wrote:
> I was going to let loose a quiver of Puns about Tax payers getting the
shaft
> but Doug's points certainly took the zing out of the arrows of my wit.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of doug sproston
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:10 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] So how do you like your pork?
>
> the arrow thing was completely misunderstood, arrow shafts are taxed with
> the bilk of the tax going to fish&wildlife dept education funds. The issue
> arises when .30 cent wooden arrow shafts (commonly used in 4H, boy scouts,
> public school archery programs etc...kids mostly) are taxed .50
each....that
> .50 cent isn't an issue if your paying $10 a shaft for lightweight
composite
> hunting arrows, but .50 each really hurts school archery programs ...why
do
> i know any of this? I like archery.
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joe cipale

We get the point, Thomas.

On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 11:30 -0700, Thomas Hoffman wrote:
> I was going to let loose a quiver of Puns about Tax payers getting the shaft
> but Doug's points certainly took the zing out of the arrows of my wit.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of doug sproston
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:10 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] So how do you like your pork?
>
> the arrow thing was completely misunderstood, arrow shafts are taxed with
> the bilk of the tax going to fish&wildlife dept education funds. The issue
> arises when .30 cent wooden arrow shafts (commonly used in 4H, boy scouts,
> public school archery programs etc...kids mostly) are taxed .50 each....that
> .50 cent isn't an issue if your paying $10 a shaft for lightweight composite
> hunting arrows, but .50 each really hurts school archery programs ...why do
> i know any of this? I like archery.
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Thomas Hoffman

I was going to let loose a quiver of Puns about Tax payers getting the shaft
but Doug's points certainly took the zing out of the arrows of my wit.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of doug sproston
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:10 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] So how do you like your pork?

the arrow thing was completely misunderstood, arrow shafts are taxed with
the bilk of the tax going to fish&wildlife dept education funds. The issue
arises when .30 cent wooden arrow shafts (commonly used in 4H, boy scouts,
public school archery programs etc...kids mostly) are taxed .50 each....that
.50 cent isn't an issue if your paying $10 a shaft for lightweight composite
hunting arrows, but .50 each really hurts school archery programs ...why do
i know any of this? I like archery.
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doug sproston

the arrow thing was completely misunderstood, arrow shafts are taxed with the bilk of the tax going to fish&wildlife dept education funds. The issue arises when .30 cent wooden arrow shafts (commonly used in 4H, boy scouts, public school archery programs etc...kids mostly) are taxed .50 each....that .50 cent isn't an issue if your paying $10 a shaft for lightweight composite hunting arrows, but .50 each really hurts school archery programs ...why do i know any of this? I like archery.

joe cipale

On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 16:42 -0700, Mike Rosenfeld wrote:
> Rick said: "But, maybe we'll have to send the kids out hunting for
> food again like the good old days."
>
> thats not a bad idea Rick....the way the economy is going and the
> price of food...squirrel meat sounds like it might be a nice alternate
> source of protein.....how much is there in those little buggers?
>
> We should ask Brad R. if we can pay for cross races in squirrel. Man
> how would we make that work with paypal?

Having spent part of my youth in the Iowa on my grandparents farm, it
was not uncommon to have squirrel stew.

Tastes like rabbit.

Joe C.

Ben Fischler

delish!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RlK0Xd4c2c

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Mike Rosenfeld wrote:

> Rick said: "But, maybe we'll have to send the kids out hunting for food
> again like the good old days."
>
> thats not a bad idea Rick....the way the economy is going and the price of
> food...squirrel meat sounds like it might be a nice alternate source of
> protein.....how much is there in those little buggers?
>
> We should ask Brad R. if we can pay for cross races in squirrel. Man how
> would we make that work with paypal?
>
>
> 2008/10/3 Ron and Dorothy Strasser
>
>> I am pretty sure those arrows are part of the missle defense system and
>> will be deployed in Europe and the silos in Alaska.
>> ron
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Rick Johnson
>> *To:* Ben Fischler
>> *Cc:* obra
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2008 3:01 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] So how do you like your pork?
>>
>> Actually those arrows would be quite ineffective against terrorists - they
>> can only be made of wood and be for a bow with no more than a 30lb draw.
>> About the kind your average 10 year old might use.
>>
>> But, maybe we'll have to send the kids out hunting for food again like the
>> good old days.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> Ben Fischler wrote:
>>
>> Those arrows could potentially be used against terriorists, should the
>> need arise!
>>
>> TOTALLY WORTH IT.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Won't matter, this ship is going down regardless.
>>
>> -B
>>
>> 2008/10/3 Scott Jones
>>
>>> It also included $200,000 for a company that makes wooden arrows in
>>> Oregon.
>>>
>>> What a waste!
>>>
>>> Rick, I'm glad you see it in a good light, I'd rather see it not happen
>>> at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/10/3 Rick Johnson
>>>
>>>> As many of you by now have heard the 700 Billion Dollar Wall Street
>>>> Bailout bill was signed into law this afternoon.
>>>> Looking to one of the deal sweeteners (aka "pork") that was added to win
>>>> passage is one that allows your employer (if any) to reimburse you for
>>>> bicycle commuting.
>>>>
>>>> Don't get too excited - it's only for a maximum of $20 a month. But at
>>>> least we get *something*.
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> -Ben
>>
>> VFX Supe
>> Laika
>>
>> [ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
>>
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Mike Rosenfeld

Rick said: "But, maybe we'll have to send the kids out hunting for food
again like the good old days."

thats not a bad idea Rick....the way the economy is going and the price of
food...squirrel meat sounds like it might be a nice alternate source of
protein.....how much is there in those little buggers?

We should ask Brad R. if we can pay for cross races in squirrel. Man how
would we make that work with paypal?

2008/10/3 Ron and Dorothy Strasser

> I am pretty sure those arrows are part of the missle defense system and
> will be deployed in Europe and the silos in Alaska.
> ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Johnson
> *To:* Ben Fischler
> *Cc:* obra
> *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2008 3:01 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] So how do you like your pork?
>
> Actually those arrows would be quite ineffective against terrorists - they
> can only be made of wood and be for a bow with no more than a 30lb draw.
> About the kind your average 10 year old might use.
>
> But, maybe we'll have to send the kids out hunting for food again like the
> good old days.
>
> Rick
>
>
> Ben Fischler wrote:
>
> Those arrows could potentially be used against terriorists, should the need
> arise!
>
> TOTALLY WORTH IT.
>
> ;-)
>
> Won't matter, this ship is going down regardless.
>
> -B
>
> 2008/10/3 Scott Jones
>
>> It also included $200,000 for a company that makes wooden arrows in
>> Oregon.
>>
>> What a waste!
>>
>> Rick, I'm glad you see it in a good light, I'd rather see it not happen at
>> all.
>>
>>
>> 2008/10/3 Rick Johnson
>>
>>> As many of you by now have heard the 700 Billion Dollar Wall Street
>>> Bailout bill was signed into law this afternoon.
>>> Looking to one of the deal sweeteners (aka "pork") that was added to win
>>> passage is one that allows your employer (if any) to reimburse you for
>>> bicycle commuting.
>>>
>>> Don't get too excited - it's only for a maximum of $20 a month. But at
>>> least we get *something*.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
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>
>
> --
> -Ben
>
> VFX Supe
> Laika
>
> [ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
>
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

I am pretty sure those arrows are part of the missle defense system and will be deployed in Europe and the silos in Alaska.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Johnson
To: Ben Fischler
Cc: obra
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] So how do you like your pork?

Actually those arrows would be quite ineffective against terrorists - they can only be made of wood and be for a bow with no more than a 30lb draw. About the kind your average 10 year old might use.

But, maybe we'll have to send the kids out hunting for food again like the good old days.

Rick

Ben Fischler wrote:
Those arrows could potentially be used against terriorists, should the need arise!

TOTALLY WORTH IT.

;-)

Won't matter, this ship is going down regardless.

-B

2008/10/3 Scott Jones

It also included $200,000 for a company that makes wooden arrows in Oregon.

What a waste!

Rick, I'm glad you see it in a good light, I'd rather see it not happen at all.

2008/10/3 Rick Johnson

As many of you by now have heard the 700 Billion Dollar Wall Street Bailout bill was signed into law this afternoon.
Looking to one of the deal sweeteners (aka "pork") that was added to win passage is one that allows your employer (if any) to reimburse you for bicycle commuting.

Don't get too excited - it's only for a maximum of $20 a month. But at least we get something.

Rick

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Rick Johnson

Actually those arrows would be quite ineffective against terrorists -
they can only be made of wood and be for a bow with no more than a 30lb
draw. About the kind your average 10 year old might use.



But, maybe we'll have to send the kids out hunting for food again like
the good old days.



Rick





Ben Fischler wrote:

Those arrows could potentially be used against
terriorists, should the need arise!



TOTALLY WORTH IT.



;-)



Won't matter, this ship is going down regardless.



-B

2008/10/3 Scott Jones <scottjones007@gmail.com>

It also included $200,000 for a company that makes
wooden arrows in Oregon.



What a waste!



Rick, I'm glad you see it in a good light, I'd rather see it not happen
at all.

2008/10/3 Rick Johnson <RCJohnson1@attglobal.net>

As many of you by now have
heard the 700 Billion Dollar Wall Street
Bailout bill was signed into law this afternoon.

Looking to one of the deal sweeteners (aka "pork") that was added to
win passage is one that allows your employer (if any) to reimburse you
for bicycle commuting.



Don't get too excited - it's only for a maximum of $20 a month. But at
least we get something.



Rick

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Laika



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]

Rick Johnson

You can read the bill here:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/01/news/pdf/



See Sec. 211 starting on page 205.



Rick



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From:
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[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Rick Johnson

Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:48 PM

To: obra

Subject: [OBRA Chat] So how do you like your pork?

 

As many of you by now have heard the 700 Billion
Dollar Wall
Street Bailout bill was signed into law this afternoon.

Looking to one of the deal sweeteners (aka "pork") that was added to
win passage is one that allows your employer (if any) to reimburse you
for
bicycle commuting.



Don't get too excited - it's only for a maximum of $20 a month. But at
least we
get something.



Rick

Ben Fischler

Those arrows could potentially be used against terriorists, should the need
arise!

TOTALLY WORTH IT.

;-)

Won't matter, this ship is going down regardless.

-B

2008/10/3 Scott Jones

> It also included $200,000 for a company that makes wooden arrows in Oregon.
>
> What a waste!
>
> Rick, I'm glad you see it in a good light, I'd rather see it not happen at
> all.
>
>
> 2008/10/3 Rick Johnson
>
>> As many of you by now have heard the 700 Billion Dollar Wall Street
>> Bailout bill was signed into law this afternoon.
>> Looking to one of the deal sweeteners (aka "pork") that was added to win
>> passage is one that allows your employer (if any) to reimburse you for
>> bicycle commuting.
>>
>> Don't get too excited - it's only for a maximum of $20 a month. But at
>> least we get *something*.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Laika

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Scott Jones

It also included $200,000 for a company that makes wooden arrows in Oregon.

What a waste!

Rick, I'm glad you see it in a good light, I'd rather see it not happen at
all.

2008/10/3 Rick Johnson

> As many of you by now have heard the 700 Billion Dollar Wall Street
> Bailout bill was signed into law this afternoon.
> Looking to one of the deal sweeteners (aka "pork") that was added to win
> passage is one that allows your employer (if any) to reimburse you for
> bicycle commuting.
>
> Don't get too excited - it's only for a maximum of $20 a month. But at
> least we get *something*.
>
> Rick
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
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> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>

Rick Johnson

As many of you by now have heard the 700 Billion Dollar Wall Street
Bailout bill was signed into law this afternoon.

Looking to one of the deal sweeteners (aka "pork") that was added to
win passage is one that allows your employer (if any) to reimburse you
for bicycle commuting.



Don't get too excited - it's only for a maximum of $20 a month. But at
least we get something.



Rick